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Post by Pinwig on Feb 20, 2019 15:50:32 GMT
(continued from Happy 30th Birthday to Transformers UK: Issue #206 tmukhub.proboards.com/post/355856/thread) Can you imagine if the Ratbat toy was as big next to Scorponok as he is on that cover? I thought that. He would be a seriously cool Decepticon leader that big. Move over Combobat, here's Megabat! |
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Post by The Huff on Feb 20, 2019 21:02:55 GMT
Ratbat is a cool Decepticon leader whatever his size!
Make that THE coolest!
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 20, 2019 21:10:07 GMT
He's certainly the only one who gives due consideration to keeping proper accounts.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 20, 2019 21:18:22 GMT
He is by far the most successful and competent of the Decepticon leaders.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 20, 2019 21:25:55 GMT
Competent, perhaps, but he wasn't _wholly_ successful in the Underbase story.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 20, 2019 22:31:57 GMT
Scorponok is still the most successful Decepticon leader.
The Autobots surrendered to him, on his watch.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 6:11:43 GMT
Scorponok wasn't _wholly_ successful in his solo attack on Unicron's foot.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2019 7:45:46 GMT
Scorponok is still the most successful Decepticon leader. The Autobots surrendered to him, on his watch. More of a strategy from Prime to combat a bigger menace rather than any skill on Scorponok's behalf. -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 21, 2019 7:46:29 GMT
Damn that Lord Zarak.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 8:17:09 GMT
Shockwave was the most successful Decepticon leader, as he got the number of active Autobots down to one puny, harmless, insignificant medic. Which was closer to total victory than anyone else got.
But I admit he was not _wholly_ successful in his battle with Fortress Maximus, and in his attempt to use the Ark to invade a defenceless Earth with Starscream at the end of the Marvel run.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 8:19:24 GMT
And his Movie future incarnation wasn't _wholly_ successful in his battle with Death's Head.
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 11:01:33 GMT
Scorponok.
The Autobots surrendered. The Decepticons won the war.
Andy
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 11:01:51 GMT
I feel a poll coming on...
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2019 16:23:25 GMT
Scorponok. The Autobots surrendered. The Decepticons won the war. Andy Ahem. No. The war continued! GENERATION 2. -ralph |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 16:59:15 GMT
A new war started.
Might be the same sides, but the war ended.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2019 17:16:08 GMT
It did not. I refer you to what Bludgeon was up to at the end of the original run.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 18:03:39 GMT
Scorponok. The Autobots surrendered. The Decepticons won the war. Ahem. No. The war continued! GENERATION 2. The war continued on Klo and Hydrus Four, and then also, possibly in a parallel universe, G2. But the war didn't end when Optimus Prime's Autobots surrendered, because Emirate Xaaron didn't surrender to the Decepticons on Cybertron, and other Autobots such as Grimlock and the Race Car and Off Road Patrol didn't surrender. Prime's surrender was conditional on an alliance against Unicron, and when Scorponok was slow to deliver he smacked Soundwave around and busted out. Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 21, 2019 18:05:51 GMT
Parallel universe for G2? Nonsense.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 18:11:31 GMT
Parallel universe for G2? Nonsense. Well, arguably a parallel universe to the original sequel, 'Another Time and Place', in which Megatron and Bludgeon die on Hydrus Four. And a parallel universe to the Marvel and G.I. Joe universes that the original TF comic co-habited, in which San Francisco didn't get wiped out. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:23:17 GMT
Another Time and Place seeds it's own Generation 2 - but one arguably that would be drastically different, given the implication is centuries have passed since the events at the end of the Marvel comic from the framing narration.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:25:30 GMT
It did not. I refer you to what Bludgeon was up to at the end of the original run. -Ralph Optimus Prime was the supreme commander of the Autobot forces. He surrendered so at that point the Decepticons won the war. The fact that pockets of fighting may have still gone on does not change the fact. Scorponok was officially the victorious commander of The Great War. Bludgeon initiated a second war when he took command of the Decepticons after the battle with Unicron. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 18:43:21 GMT
Scorponok was officially the victorious commander of The Great War. But in reality only until Prime lost patience and busted out. Not exactly the same as having all the Autobots deactivated and hanging upside-down from the Ark's ceiling. And if Prime hadn't busted out, and Primus hadn't teleported them to Cybertron, Grimlock would have returned to the Ark with Nucleon and reactivated all the Autobots there, and they might have had something to say about the war being over. I maintain that when Shockwave controlled the Ark on Earth and had Prime's head on his desk, that was a more convincing win than Prime's 'surrender' to Scorponok. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 18:45:50 GMT
Optimus Prime was the supreme commander of the Autobot forces. Was he, or was he equal rank with Xaaron? Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 21, 2019 18:47:56 GMT
Optimus Prime was the supreme commander of the Autobot forces. Was he, or was he equal rank with Xaaron? Martin I thought xaaron was his boss |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:48:52 GMT
Scorponok was officially the victorious commander of The Great War. But in reality only until Prime lost patience and busted out. Not exactly the same as having all the Autobots deactivated and hanging upside-down from the Ark's ceiling. And if Prime hadn't busted out, and Primus hadn't teleported them to Cybertron, Grimlock would have returned to the Ark with Nucleon and reactivated all the Autobots there, and they might have had something to say about the war being over. I maintain that when Shockwave controlled the Ark on Earth and had Prime's head on his desk, that was a more convincing win than Prime's 'surrender' to Scorponok. Martin Not talking about wins, simply typical rules of engagement. Scorponok won the war for the Decepticons. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:50:01 GMT
Optimus Prime was the supreme commander of the Autobot forces. Was he, or was he equal rank with Xaaron? Martin Optimus was the supreme commander of the Autobots, slightly outranking Xaaron. He's 10 to Xaaron's 9.5. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 21, 2019 18:50:09 GMT
Military rank.
Xaaron was one of Prime's political masters overall.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:51:08 GMT
Was he, or was he equal rank with Xaaron? Martin I thought xaaron was his boss Nope. Xaaron was a member of the Autobot Council of Elders. That assemblage was dissolved by Trannis when he sacked Iacon. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 21, 2019 18:51:21 GMT
I thought xaaron was his boss Could be. He is the last surviving civilian leader from before the war. Optimus was a military general. Xaaron has an affinity with Primus, and he kept the Autobot Resistance going for four million years while Optimus napped. Martin |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 21, 2019 18:52:11 GMT
Military rank. Xaaron was one of Prime's political masters overall. Nope. Xaaron's introduction made it clear that the commander of the Autobot army was not beholden to the Autobot council. He willingly turned the reigns over to Optimus. |
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Can you imagine if the Ratbat toy was as big next to Scorponok as he is on that cover?I thought that. He would be a seriously cool Decepticon leader that big. Move over Combobat, here's Megabat!
