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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 15, 2019 10:12:22 GMT
Really we should have done this ages ago....
YES - because the Beastformers appeared in Headmasters and are on one Japanese TF catalogue
NO - because they're a separate line in the west
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Post by blueshift on Mar 15, 2019 10:30:39 GMT
They were literally running about with the transformers so yes
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Post by The Huff on Mar 15, 2019 10:40:12 GMT
Star Saber was not a part of Transformers in the west - so is he not part of Transformers?
And if you say he has been in comics, then so have the Battle Beasts.
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Post by Dezzeh on Mar 15, 2019 10:55:13 GMT
Definite yes.
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Post by blueshift on Mar 15, 2019 11:44:27 GMT
Star Saber was not a part of Transformers in the west - so is he not part of Transformers? And if you say he has been in comics, then so have the Battle Beasts. This argument is so wise that I propose anyone voting 'No' be placed in some sort of box with the lid taped shut, to protect us from their madness |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 15, 2019 12:19:54 GMT
It's also complete rubbish because Star Sabre wasn't old in a different toyline in the west, unlike the Battle Beasts
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Post by blueshift on Mar 15, 2019 12:36:03 GMT
It's also complete rubbish because Star Sabre wasn't old in a different toyline in the west, unlike the Battle Beasts So you are saying Sky Lynx, Roadbuster, Whirl and Jetfire are not Transformers as they were sold in a different toyline in Japan?  Sadly I cannot make the winky smiley bigger or it would be huge. |
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Post by Stomski on Mar 15, 2019 13:02:38 GMT
What about other crossover toy lines like GI Joe?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 15, 2019 13:15:38 GMT
They're certainly not TFs originally just like the Diaclone and Microchange toys aren't.
Beastformers is something completely different, piggybacked briefly onto the back of TFs to launch it. One catalogue appearance, one (?) cartoon appearance and then gone to live it's own existence.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 15, 2019 15:08:51 GMT
The Battle Beasts were released in 1987 - that was the same time as they would have appeared in Japan. So I don't think they can be called 'old toys tagged onto Transformers.'
Takara made them so I'd assume they were made for inclusion in their Transformers line and them marketed differently in other countries.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 15, 2019 15:18:19 GMT
I am now inspired to write another 'Science of The Transformers' article to further validate Battle Beasts as a Transformer sub-line.
Can a mod move Phil's post saying they are not to his Mad Theory thread??
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 15, 2019 17:07:59 GMT
I'm wi' Big Phil. They're not Transformers. They don't look anything like Transformers, and they don't transform. Star Saber looks like a Transformer and transforms. Action Masters don't transform, but they're based on Transformers characters, look like Transformers, and had transforming stuff. Pretender shells don't look like Transformers, but have Transformers inside. Seems to me like Battle Beasts were thrown into the catalogue as a 'look what else is available' kinda way. They look fun, if you like that sort of thing, but they are not Transformers.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 17:47:29 GMT
They are part of Transformers.
I also think we have Toy-Fu's next zine for TFN2020!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 15, 2019 17:49:03 GMT
They are in the Great Catalogue thread so they must be part of Transformers!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 15, 2019 17:56:41 GMT
In retrospect I should have run this poll a few weeks back....
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Post by blueshift on Mar 15, 2019 17:59:54 GMT
They are part of Transformers. I also think we have Toy-Fu's next zine for TFN2020! Oh no, not you too Andy. As much as I agree that Battle Beasts are part of Transformers, I find it extremely difficult to get enthused over them |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 18:00:37 GMT
Sort your life out mate.
THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE DENIED!!!
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Post by Toph on Mar 15, 2019 20:37:42 GMT
Battle Beasts are part of the extended transformer family!
There is nothing to suggest otherwise, either, as they have no fiction.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 20:48:01 GMT
Yes they do.
They are in Headmasters.
Andy
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Post by Toph on Mar 15, 2019 21:56:51 GMT
You are correct, but completely misunderstood me. Beastformers are in japanese fiction, as stated several times.
Battle Beasts specifically do not appear in any fiction (beyond the occasional cameo in modern western TF comics).
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 15, 2019 21:58:56 GMT
Oh ffs. Not this again. Released as a Transformers line in Japan. End of story. Sigh.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 15, 2019 22:00:46 GMT
They are part of Transformers. I also think we have Toy-Fu's next zine for TFN2020! Oh no, not you too Andy. As much as I agree that Battle Beasts are part of Transformers, I find it extremely difficult to get enthused over them WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 15, 2019 22:01:53 GMT
You are correct, but completely misunderstood me. Beastformers are in japanese fiction, as stated several times. Battle Beasts specifically do not appear in any fiction (beyond the occasional cameo in modern western TF comics). There was a 4-issue Battle Beasts comic from IDW a few years ago. It quickly passed into oblivion. -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 15, 2019 22:04:24 GMT
This is a heavy week for me.
Battle Beasts. Togos. Yazoos. Pogos. Centurios/Inhumanoids. Lots of weird things I've barely heard of...
Also, YOU'RE ALL MAAADDDD!!!!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 22:05:27 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 22:11:27 GMT
And of course the Blackthorne comics...
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 15, 2019 22:17:48 GMT
They're not Transformers. Correct, but that isn't the poll question. The poll question is are they _part_ of Transformers, and they clearly are. The Headmasters cartoon DVDs have been on sale in HMV. And it doesn't matter if they were called something different in Japanese (like Decepticons are Destrons), it's still them. Spider-Man and G.I. Joe are also part of Transformers. Like the is-Thomas-a-train poll, this shouldn't be the subject of a poll as it is a matter of fact. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 15, 2019 22:19:48 GMT
They are part of Transformers. I also think we have Toy-Fu's next zine for TFN2020! I suggested that after the Rock Lords one, but Blue wasn't having it. If there were nine days in a week I'd do one. I think they deserve Rock Lords level exposure. |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 15, 2019 22:22:44 GMT
You are correct, but completely misunderstood me. Beastformers are in japanese fiction, as stated several times. Battle Beasts specifically do not appear in any fiction (beyond the occasional cameo in modern western TF comics). There was a 4-issue Battle Beasts comic from IDW a few years ago. It quickly passed into oblivion. -Ralph WHAT. Suddenly my life is incomplete. Well, more incomplete than it was five minutes ago. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 15, 2019 22:24:08 GMT
It wasn't particularly interesting.
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