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Post by Toph on May 20, 2021 0:29:14 GMT
Finished!
I'm glad the pacing problem I had with the pilot didn't carry through.
It's significantly better when it isn't namedropping characters and events these characters shouldn't be familiar with, every five seconds.
[ Spoiler]The gags that are funniest are things like Ransom fighting exclusively like Kirk, everyone just flat out ignoring Q, or the holodeck episode poking fun at the style of the reboot movies, over namedropping Beverly Crusher getting it on with a ghost (how would they know this?).
I hope season 2 will be more of the former, over the latter.[/spoiler]
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Post by Stomski on May 20, 2021 9:43:00 GMT
The gags that are funniest are things like Ransom fighting exclusively like Kirk, everyone just flat out ignoring Q, or the holodeck episode poking fun at the style of the reboot movies, over namedropping Beverly Crusher getting it on with a ghost (how would they know this?).
I hope season 2 will be more of the former, over the latter. DOUBLE HAND PUNCH!
Now Boimler has been promoted and on the Titan, I'm assuming if there is a Season 2 they'll undo this some how. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 20, 2021 9:56:44 GMT
Season 2 is in production (it was part of a double-season initial order). Season 3 has been commissioned.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on May 29, 2021 6:40:57 GMT
Finished! I'm glad the pacing problem I had with the pilot didn't carry through. It's significantly better when it isn't namedropping characters and events these characters shouldn't be familiar with, every five seconds. The gags that are funniest are things like Ransom fighting exclusively like Kirk, everyone just flat out ignoring Q, or the holodeck episode poking fun at the style of the reboot movies, over namedropping Beverly Crusher getting it on with a ghost (how would they know this?).
I hope season 2 will be more of the former, over the latter. [ spoiler]Rewatching it knowing that Mariner is buddies with Riker a lot of the references become much less distracting. Its weird that a simple relationship reveal can alter my annoyance at so many references but on second and third viewing it really did. Its a show about Federation geeks so Im mostly fine with the Kirks Enterprise references because those are already established as famous stories. Anyway the shoe acknowledges Miles O'Briens greatness so its good with me. I do love animated Riker and troi. I would seriously love them to get a spin off. [/spoiler] |
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 12, 2021 18:11:44 GMT
Season two tomorrow.
Very excited.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 27, 2021 14:31:17 GMT
So far so good.
We've already had Riker, Tamarians and today was the Tom Paris episode.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 9, 2021 14:56:26 GMT
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Post by Toph on Sept 9, 2021 18:36:14 GMT
Eaglemoss announced the Cerritos and Titan, both XL (ugh), and in cartoon styling.
They said it took them so long, because they had to create 3D renders that didn't exist.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 10, 2021 14:04:01 GMT
Back on form after last weeks... er .... not so good one.
I was thinking about the timeline and if the show runs long enough (8 seasons) or they dont stick rigidly to one season = one year then theres a reasonable chance they could end up covering the evacuation of Romulus. As a really big off screen event so far this would make me happy.
It also struck me that Lower Decks realistically represents the last chance to get Uhura a guest star spot on a trek spin off. The fact shes the only TOS character not to have had one has always bugged me. (assuming you class Generations as a TNG film and not TOS). Given her condition I realise this is not a major thing, but she also appears to love being part of Trek, so imagine this is something she would like and a short bit of voice over that can be recorded at home would be potentially manageable.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2021 14:51:59 GMT
Given the nature of her illness and legal issues surrounding alleged elder abuse, I would say this is highly unlikely. She is not a well woman at all.  She was asked to be in Voyager's 'Flashback' episode in 1996 but turned it down as it would only have been a spit and cough type appearance. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 10, 2021 15:26:49 GMT
I was reading up and she apparently filmed a small role only a few months ago and is still lined up for a handful of signing. As I said right now seems like the last chance she could do it if she wanted to, but dementia moves all too fast.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2021 15:36:41 GMT
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Post by Toph on Sept 10, 2021 19:49:47 GMT
I've read multiple sources that she's flat out retired, and the 2019 con circuit was her "farewell tour" to the fandom.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 10, 2021 20:26:47 GMT
Thats the article I read.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 17, 2021 17:54:53 GMT
Really like how LD is using the Pakleds.
Sort of vibes of how TNG wanted or should have used the Ferengi
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Post by Toph on Oct 1, 2021 5:57:32 GMT
Well this cute, and will be my headcanon.
It makes so much make so much more sense, and Riker would totally gush over a spunky little kid like Mariner.
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Post by Toph on Oct 3, 2021 7:38:10 GMT
Started a rewatch. Finished! I'm glad the pacing problem I had with the pilot didn't carry through. It's significantly better when it isn't namedropping characters and events these characters shouldn't be familiar with, every five seconds. The gags that are funniest are things like Ransom fighting exclusively like Kirk, everyone just flat out ignoring Q, or the holodeck episode poking fun at the style of the reboot movies, over namedropping Beverly Crusher getting it on with a ghost (how would they know this?).
I hope season 2 will be more of the former, over the latter. Rewatching it knowing that Mariner is buddies with Riker a lot of the references become much less distracting.
Its weird that a simple relationship reveal can alter my annoyance at so many references but on second and third viewing it really did.
Its a show about Federation geeks so Im mostly fine with the Kirks Enterprise references because those are already established as famous stories.
Anyway the shoe acknowledges Miles O'Briens greatness so its good with me.
I do love animated Riker and troi. I would seriously love them to get a spin off. You're right, it is better on the second time. |
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Post by Toph on Oct 4, 2021 9:12:38 GMT
I wonder how canon Lower Decks is, in the greater trek mythos?
Like, we know all trek is canon to it. But is it canon to the rest exactly as is? Or is there a more "toned down" version of the Cerritos and it's crew?
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 4, 2021 22:57:33 GMT
I wonder how canon Lower Decks is, in the greater trek mythos? Like, we know all trek is canon to it. But is it canon to the rest exactly as is? Or is there a more "toned down" version of the Cerritos and it's crew? My thinking is yes, as is, if only because it sits in a safe space where it will never fully crossover. I very much hope we get a live action cameo in Picard or a new show in the same period. |
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Post by Toph on Oct 5, 2021 0:05:54 GMT
I think it's several years before Picard
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 5, 2021 0:42:38 GMT
It is but looking at photos of the cast a fair few could pull off live action versions and they are all probably older than their characters* so Picard era live action appearances could work.
* And even if not, easier to age up than down.
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Post by Toph on Oct 5, 2021 1:40:40 GMT
That is true on all accounts.
Thinking about it, an ex-Starfleet Mariner would be an amazing addition to Picard.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 9, 2021 16:47:15 GMT
Exactly, though the more I think about it the less Id want any of the main four to show up. At least till Lower Decks is done.
Ransom still Kirk fighting into his late middle age on the other hand...
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 9, 2021 16:50:50 GMT
This weeks Lower Decks was fantastic.
Vulcan and Klingon lower decks.
Possibly the least jokes about other trek of any episode so far.
But a fair few LD in jokes.
"Red Alarm"
"Red Alarm"
Brill.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 17, 2021 22:17:59 GMT
Well this cute, and will be my headcanon. It makes so much make so much more sense, and Riker would totally gush over a spunky little kid like Mariner. Hadnt really bought in to this theory, but after the season 2 finale it seems more possible given Capt Freemans relationship with the episodes guest star. The only part that maybe doesnt work so well is Mariners age, if shes 26-30ish its fine but theres been a few bits that suggest shes a bit older than that. Mostly Im thinking about her being friends at the Academy with someone who is now a captain which is usually mid 30s at the earliest. But even if thats the case plenty of ways that could be explained. |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 17, 2021 22:20:26 GMT
Last episode of season 2.
[ spoiler=Spoiler]To Be Continued...
Arrrrgh! Thats 40+ weeks away.
A TNG TBC would only have been about half as long a wait.
Raging!
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Absolutely great episode though.
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Post by Toph on Oct 17, 2021 22:49:22 GMT
Mariner is someone I've given a disproportional amount of thought to, about her age. She should logically be in her early to mid thirties.
As you pointed out, her academy friend is now a Captain.
Also, other marks to that are:
-she has a fairly long service record to be any younger than that.
-virtually everyone around her, particularly people who know her personally tend to be disproportionately disappointed that she's where she is in her life (and it's not because she's "Starfleet Royalty," as that's largely confidential), where as they treat the other ensigns around her as though that's a normal place to be for them at this point in their lives.
Riker was one of the only ones who weren't even mildly judgemental of her.
But Star Trek likes to go young. Between 20-30 for the bulk of the characters, even if they cast 40 year olds to play them.
So yeah. Even if they leaned into her being older than the others, she would probably be in her late 20s, while the others are early to mid.
Though if it were up to me:
Mariner- Mid 30s
Boimler- pushing Late 20s, because he's so antsy about being noticed and getting promoted.
Rutherford- Mid 20s. Still a rookie, but has been around the block once already.
Tendi- Early 20s, Fresh out of the Academy
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 18, 2021 0:24:11 GMT
Mariner is someone I've given a disproportional amount of thought to, about her age. She should logically be in her early to mid thirties. As you pointed out, her academy friend is now a Captain. Also, other marks to that are: -she has a fairly long service record to be any younger than that. -virtually everyone around her, particularly people who know her personally tend to be disproportionately disappointed that she's where she is in her life (and it's not because she's "Starfleet Royalty," as that's largely confidential), where as they treat the other ensigns around her as though that's a normal place to be for them at this point in their lives. Riker was one of the only ones who weren't even mildly judgemental of her. But Star Trek likes to go young. Between 20-30 for the bulk of the characters, even if they cast 40 year olds to play them. So yeah. Even if they leaned into her being older than the others, she would probably be in her late 20s, while the others are early to mid. Though if it were up to me: Mariner- Mid 30s Boimler- pushing Late 20s, because he's so antsy about being noticed and getting promoted. Rutherford- Mid 20s. Still a rookie, but has been around the block once already. Tendi- Early 20s, Fresh out of the Academy Oh no Im going down the rabbit hole! If shes under 30 she (and was the kid on the Enterprise): - went to the academy very young If shes over 30 (and was the kid on the Enterprise): - she was a very very young looking teenager in tng season 1. Theres only 16 years between season 1 of TNG and LDS and the kid in When the Bough Breaks would have to be nearly 20.... so probably not over 30 in LDS. Either way of the 16, 3 years would be at the academy. If her friend graduated at the same time she made captain in at most 13 years. Putting here in Kirl/Picard territory. And that only works if the little kid from tng season 1 left for the academy pretty much right after that episode. If shes under 30 she would have been 11-14 in that episode which is viable, i guess, but given the fuss made about Wesley going to the academy at an older age it seems unlikely. Then again given Wesleys abilities if he struggled to get in to the academy Im not sure how they recruit enough people, so its maybe best to largely ignore that particular plot. Its not not possible, but at least as likely that she maybe graduated around the time of TNG S1 and got assigned there maybe thanks to her parents who (possibly) already knew Riker. Though her being a kid on the Enterprise (maybe not that one) does streamline various other relationships with her leaving for the academy during season 1 and returning as an ensign after. I think you are probably right about the ages. |
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Post by Toph on Oct 18, 2021 3:34:25 GMT
I wasn't sure how long after TNG LD took place.. I knew it's between Nemesis and Picard, and probably nearing the end of Captain Riker's stint on the Titan, but I wasn't sure exactly when.
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 24, 2021 19:28:13 GMT
I want a RITOS tshirt.
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