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Post by Bogatan on Aug 29, 2023 19:54:21 GMT
Mariners timeline: Settle in. Using Rikers career as a best case, her friend would have made Captain seven years after graduation.
Assuming Mariner went to the academy at the same age as Riker that would make her about 29 in season 1. And DS9 would be one of her first assignments around 2372-75. Ive tended to assume she was older, but that also ages up Captain Freeman which Im not sure quite works.
Captain Freeman was definitely not on the Enterprise in 2369 as she was with the Tusk guy on another ship.
After that point it seems unlikely she and Mariner would find themselves on the Enterprise together (or sperately) long enough to both develope relationships with Riker.
If they served together on the Enterprise that leaves Seasons 1-5ish. This actually works quite nicely as Freeman serving on a ship that allowed families makes sense. Freeman moves on right around the time Mariner heads for the academy.
I'm kind of ignoring them serving together earlier as on this timeline Mariner is about Wesleys age in TNG season 1. If Riker and Freeman served together earlier than that I feel like Mariner and Rikers relationship would be different. Also the easiest way to fit Freeman with Gomez and Q is on the Enterprise. Assuming Mariners birth delayed Freemans career then she'd be of similar age to Riker but lower ranked making friendships with Riker and Gomez fit pretty well.
So yeah 29/30 years old in Lower Decks S1. She possibly could be a bit younger and went to the academy at 16 or whatever. But I not convinced. She could however be a few years older, it would just mean she spent less time on the enterprise before academy.
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Post by Toph on Aug 31, 2023 16:58:34 GMT
The only thing I have to say is that it took Riker considerably longer than seven years to become captain (Nemesis was what, ten years after All Good Things?), but they also offered it to him a couple times during TNG.
So I'm not sure how well using Riker's career works as a template on becoming Captain.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 31, 2023 17:22:02 GMT
The only thing I have to say is that it took Riker considerably longer than seven years to become captain (Nemesis was what, ten years after All Good Things?), but they also offered it to him a couple times during TNG. So I'm not sure how well using Riker's career works as a template on becoming Captain. So Im relying on Memory Alpha for this, but apparently he was offered a command before he joined the enterprise, but turned it down as he wanted first officer of the flag ship more. That was seven years after graduation so thats what I was working from for shortest possible time frame. |
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Post by Toph on Sept 1, 2023 4:08:41 GMT
Ah.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 7, 2023 20:17:44 GMT
Season 4. So much. So much everything.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 7, 2023 21:29:40 GMT
Is it out? Checked P+ and Amazon the other day as it is having a big advertising push but didn't see Season 4 available.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 7, 2023 22:08:55 GMT
Launched today.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 7, 2023 22:22:33 GMT
Well, that's tomorrow night's viewing sorted.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 26, 2023 17:34:01 GMT
Lower Decks! Lower Decks! Well that certainly narrowed down the Mariner backstory. |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 26, 2023 18:05:24 GMT
Mariners timeline: Settle in. Using Rikers career as a best case, her friend would have made Captain seven years after graduation.
Assuming Mariner went to the academy at the same age as Riker that would make her about 29 in season 1. And DS9 would be one of her first assignments around 2372-75. Ive tended to assume she was older, but that also ages up Captain Freeman which Im not sure quite works.
Captain Freeman was definitely not on the Enterprise in 2369 as she was with the Tusk guy on another ship.
After that point it seems unlikely she and Mariner would find themselves on the Enterprise together (or sperately) long enough to both develope relationships with Riker.
If they served together on the Enterprise that leaves Seasons 1-5ish. This actually works quite nicely as Freeman serving on a ship that allowed families makes sense. Freeman moves on right around the time Mariner heads for the academy.
I'm kind of ignoring them serving together earlier as on this timeline Mariner is about Wesleys age in TNG season 1. If Riker and Freeman served together earlier than that I feel like Mariner and Rikers relationship would be different. Also the easiest way to fit Freeman with Gomez and Q is on the Enterprise. Assuming Mariners birth delayed Freemans career then she'd be of similar age to Riker but lower ranked making friendships with Riker and Gomez fit pretty well.
So yeah 29/30 years old in Lower Decks S1. She possibly could be a bit younger and went to the academy at 16 or whatever. But I not convinced. She could however be a few years older, it would just mean she spent less time on the enterprise before academy.
So Mariner did graduate some time after 2370.
I could be reading too much into it, but her response to hearing stories of the Enterprise made me think part of her guilt is telling Sito all about her time on board. See also her revulsion of the Naked Now themed holodeck test. Wesley went to the Academy in 2367, age 19ish. Mariner maybe a year or two later so shes probably 2-3 years younger.
She's the kid from TNG.
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Post by Toph on Oct 26, 2023 23:21:09 GMT
Man... When the season started, I would not have had the "aliens" killing everyone is actually Nick Locarto on my bingo card |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 20, 2023 10:39:28 GMT
Ive already done a season 4 rewatch and one concept in particular has stood out on second viewing. {Spoiler}Shax talking about Securities role tells Boimler
"Because we're in charge of protecting the crew. Sometimes that means grappling with alien invaders, other times it means protecting your emotional well being"
This is honestly the most Star Trek concept ever and one Lower Decks have been using all along (Baby Bear) but till I heard it distilled down like that I hadnt fully appriciated the genius. Its the idea of Stafleet being a science and exploration organisation made up of warships taken to the next and more personal level.
I love it. I just wish someone had come up with it for TNG. Because Worf. And even more than that that someone had then applied the reverse position to Trois role on board ship because that combination would have been glorious.
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Post by Toph on Nov 20, 2023 15:36:09 GMT
I love it too, and agree.
I had always thought security was under utilized for how they'd really be, but I'd never thought of that.
I'd always thought that in addition to security, they would be emergency medics and engineers, because there's not a lot for them to do 99% of the time, and when there is, they are the first ones in a disaster area. And even then, it'd be rare that they would be fighting. |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 20, 2023 16:07:06 GMT
Spoiler
Your right. Especially on TNG they were never shown doing much of anything.
Lower Decks has always been good at showing them running drills and doing things like Pottery making which they clearly see as part of their onboard role.
Thinking about it and I realised that to some extent Odo took a similar approach. They often showed or mentioned drills being run and however unwillingly Odo did see his role as more than simple secruity. It was about maintaining order and balance and if that meant providing a moral boost or offering advise or whatever he'd do it.
He really was the closest thing to a councillor on DS9 even after Ezri joined. |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 27, 2024 16:19:56 GMT
The title sequence had me concerned, that was bad, but it turned out okay. It could be a good Trek show with the same level of humour as The Orville. Or it could go full Rick and Morty. I'd probably be happy with either, but this was stuck somewhere in the middle. Title sequence is still shit. The bit of the title sequence that really put me off was the Ceritos running from battle (however sensible that probably would be, it didnt sit right, even as a joke). Flash forward 5 seasons and Ive only just realised that as they expanded the battle each season they have slowly reached a point were the Ceritos turning tail is the only sensible response. |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 27, 2024 16:21:21 GMT
I have a RITOS t-shirt. I will probably get more. They are very comfy and not too insanely priced. I will probably get a Chu Chu tshirt too. |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 27, 2024 16:21:56 GMT
I really want an episode when Rutherford winds up in charge of the ship while its parked in Spacedock with absolutely nothing dangerous happening. Still waiting. Still would be amazing. |
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 27, 2024 16:36:49 GMT
First two episodes of Season 5 out now.
If Im being honest not my favourite two episodes. Mostly I think thats down to my not being completely on board with how Orion society is depicted.
Its always been a bit too disjointed. Tendi being an outsider playing against the Orion sterotype works, but so many of the Orions that appear also playing against that sterotype doesnt.
Possibly that down to Orions not being fleshed out enough to have a strong enough sterotype to play against. At least too the extent they are.
Vulcans have been established for so long and so clearly that when a character like T'Pols Dad shows up on SNW, it just works. When Nog and Rom start not fitting Ferenghi sterotypes again it works because that culture is by then established.
That quibble aside still highly enjoyable episodes.
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Post by Toph on Oct 28, 2024 4:35:55 GMT
I think it's less about pushing back against common perceptions about the Orions, and more about just going with what's funniest.
Because they just outright don't mess with the super established orion stereotypes.
Pushing back on those is something I did for RPG. Had two orions, father and daughter. Both in Starfleet, both assigned to a medical ship. He was the big burly type, and an engineer. A common sight would be to see him trudging down a corridor with kids literally hanging off his arms and legs. The daughter was chief of security, and would use her pheromone abilities to deflate hostile situations, and try to end them nonviolently. Neither of them have an active relationship with her mother.
To me, that's pushing back against stereotypes.
What Lower Decks seems to be doing is just wholesale creating Orion lore from scratch (because as you point out, there's almost nothing), and then just doing whatever is funniest with it.
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