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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 20, 2015 3:31:26 GMT
Andu is about to go in. His screening is at...23:45. Comittment! -Ralph I just like quiet. 10 of us in. Detailed thoughts later. Loved it but it has problems. |
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Post by duffism1981 on Dec 20, 2015 10:03:25 GMT
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I couldn't have been the only person who smiled when this guy showed up. We all know a certain forum lovers love for this guy.
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 20, 2015 10:12:36 GMT
That was not a happy moment.
-Ralph
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Post by Stomski on Dec 20, 2015 12:15:04 GMT
{Spoiler}
With regards to Rey and Finn's Sabre skills...
Despite Finn being in sanitation, I'm sure he would have been trained in close combat during his First Order indoctrination/brain washing.
Not sure about Rey, but as I've said before, we don't fully know her backstory.
In the fight against Kylo Ren, Kylo had just been shot (with Chewie's modified Bowcaster? Can't remember).
Also - I'm also inclined to think that Finn has some Force power and that this is what triggered his abscondment from the First Order troops.
{QUESTION!}
Luke's Lightsabre - was this the one he lost at the end of EpV on Bespin? It was mentioned in EpVII that it was Luke's and his father's before him, and at the end of EpV, Luke was still using the Lightsabre that Obi Wan gave him in EpIV.
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 20, 2015 12:42:45 GMT
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With regards to Rey and Finn's Sabre skills...
Despite Finn being in sanitation, I'm sure he would have been trained in close combat during his First Order indoctrination/brain washing.
Not sure about Rey, but as I've said before, we don't fully know her backstory.
In the fight against Kylo Ren, Kylo had just been shot (with Chewie's modified Bowcaster? Can't remember).
Also - I'm also inclined to think that Finn has some Force power and that this is what triggered his abscondment from the First Order troops.
{QUESTION!}
Luke's Lightsabre - was this the one he lost at the end of EpV on Bespin? It was mentioned in EpVII that it was Luke's and his father's before him, and at the end of EpV, Luke was still using the Lightsabre that Obi Wan gave him in EpIV.
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Post by duffism1981 on Dec 20, 2015 14:00:11 GMT
So who wants to admit that they had their picture taken as a mint on card Star Wars figure at the cinema? I can't find any photos to back this up and I didn't take one of the display myself, but the Odeon in Kilmarnock had a display in the form of a 1:1 human scale Star Wars The Force Awakens figure card. You could walk into the card bubble and have your picture taken as if you were a carded figure. Did anyone else have this display, and did you get your photo taken in it? Edit Aha I found a photo of the display, but there was no Stormtrooper inside. You go inside. Attachments:
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Post by Baron B of Triple B on Dec 20, 2015 14:51:06 GMT
So who wants to admit that they had their picture taken as a mint on card Star Wars figure at the cinema? I can't find any photos to back this up and I didn't take one of the display myself, but the Odeon in Kilmarnock had a display in the form of a 1:1 human scale Star Wars The Force Awakens figure card. You could walk into the card bubble and have your picture taken as if you were a carded figure. Did anyone else have this display, and did you get your photo taken in it? Edit Aha I found a photo of the display, but there was no Stormtrooper inside. You go inside. Glasgow Quay Odeon had it. I was tempted but I didn't get my picture taken. I wish I had now, I suppose I could go back and do it. I might take my lightsaber and strike an action pose in it, even though it says Stormtrooper on it. |
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Post by legios on Dec 20, 2015 16:52:29 GMT
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With regards to Rey and Finn's Sabre skills...
Not sure about Rey, but as I've said before, we don't fully know her backstory.
In the fight against Kylo Ren, Kylo had just been shot (with Chewie's modified Bowcaster? Can't remember).
{Robin}
Yes, Kylo Ren had taken a Bowcaster shot to the gut - despite which he was good enough to be toying around with Finn - until the latter got a lucky shot in and Ren flattened him.
Rey, clearly knows he way around a staff from what we've seen earlier in the film - and watching her earlier in the fight with Ren I did notice her jabbing a lot more than most other sabre wielders. (As to latter in the fight, I am tempted to recall Yoda's observation about the Dark Side -"quick to join you in a fight")
{MR A!}
It did indeed appear to be that Sabre which, considering he lost it in the second film down a very deep hole inside Cloud City, with his hand attached... If it is the same one does make me think that when the sort of Gelflingey bar owner said "but that's another story" as to how come look left it with her she is far from exaggerating!
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 20, 2015 17:13:22 GMT
Saw it a second time this morning. This time in 2D, gives it an even more old school feel. I honestly cant decide which I prefer. Spoiler
With regards to Rey and Finn's Sabre skills...
Despite Finn being in sanitation, I'm sure he would have been trained in close combat during his First Order indoctrination/brain washing.
Not sure about Rey, but as I've said before, we don't fully know her backstory.
In the fight against Kylo Ren, Kylo had just been shot (with Chewie's modified Bowcaster? Can't remember).
Also - I'm also inclined to think that Finn has some Force power and that this is what triggered his abscondment from the First Order troops.
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Rewatching I paid more attention to Reys fight early on when those 2 guys try stealing BB8. She wasnt just wildly lashing out or relying on a fight or flight response, she looked like she was use to looking after herself, which makes sense, but also had some kind of training.
Based on the clones in Clone Wars if a trooper was in sanitaion it was because they wrent fit for combat, but I'm guessing it isn't the same for stormtroopers. If they are trained from babies and that was Finns first mission it stands to reason they are put to use in other departments during the intervening years. Maybe sanitation is for the lowest of the low, or maybe its were all stormtroopers serve prior to battle and as the gain honours they get nicer non combat jobs. Or maybe as a slave army their masters dont care where they work.
Either way I'm not sure the sanitation bit matters as much as the fact that his first mission was supporting a raid lead by Kylo Ren in search of Luke, the orders number one most wanted. Given the rivalry between Ren and Hux I cant imagine him sending troops not up to the job if they could embarass him in front of Ren and Snoke.
So against a wounded Ren, their skills didnt seem so out of no where second time around.
I also caught a bit more of how the star killer worked. It's still far from clear though, would still help if they had shown the planet actually travelling from one star to another and also made it more obvious that the Starkiller doesnt have to be in the same solar system as the planet it is targetting. The first time its used it seems like it is in the same solar system, the second time when it blows up it cant be (unless it wasnt targetting the restistance planet?)
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 20, 2015 18:01:51 GMT
I have never seen that Stormtrooper thing.
Using the world of cine Unlimited card to give TFA another try. I want to like it, damn it!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 20, 2015 18:13:15 GMT
Theory about Rey. {Spoiler}Just read a theory on Rey, she was cloned from Lukes severed hand.
I kind of like it, but I suspect the key question is who is the old man at the start of the film? Seems like he spent time on Aldaran during the gap between III and IV and was a decade or two older than Leia and Luke so could be someone from the prequels, Clone Wars or Rebels (one person suggested Erza which would be a depressing end for a character thats only just being introduced in the cartoon.
Whoever he was though, it seems like it would be too much of a coindidence for him Rey and the Falcon to be hanging out on the same planet for years.
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 20, 2015 18:23:24 GMT
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I did wonder if there would be any kind of reference to Rebels. If not Ezra than what about Kanan? Mind you there is the retrofit question of where those two were during eps 4-6. |
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Post by Stomski on Dec 20, 2015 20:01:07 GMT
Theory about Rey. {Spoiler}Just read a theory on Rey, she was cloned from Lukes severed hand.
 ps that Stormtrooper photo thing isn't a First Order design, someone couldn't get a new one for the promo it seems. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Dec 20, 2015 20:07:17 GMT
Seems like most of us have seen it now so a show of hands please on who hasn't seen it yet, cares about spoilers and when you're going to see it. (If you've already seen it, don't care or aren't likely to see it then don't reply!) I have not seen it, I care about spoilers and I browse the forum by 'recent posts'! What he said. This thread is displaying model behaviour re: spoiler tags, so please don't ruin it. I'm seeing it Tuesday morning. Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 20, 2015 20:16:13 GMT
{Spoiler}I did wonder if there would be any kind of reference to Rebels. If not Ezra than what about Kanan? Mind you there is the retrofit question of where those two were during eps 4-6. I've been wondering the same. It was put in to production about the same time as VII and does seem like a good place to insert backstory for older characters in the current films.
Kanan would make a lot of sense actually, Ezra would be exactly the same age as Leia and Luke as he was born the day the Emporer declared the start of the empire. And the guy at the start of the film seemed older. Kanan would fit better.
Personally I would prefer Ashoka brought in to the films. Rebels is enjoyable, but CW was way better and much to my amazement, Ashoka turned in to a facinating character. Unless her species has been established as having a human lifespan theres no reason not to introduce a mid 30s/40s version of her in episode VIII. As some one in CW and Rebels she would be the perfect crossover character to appeal to the younger fan base of the last 5-7 years.
And as the last Jedi definitely known to be alive after episode III that has n't been killed on screen (so far) it makes her the only person to have completed Jedi training for real, as opposed to Lukes hours/days with Ben and days/weeks/months with Yoda. So there is a role for her. Kanan could fill a similar role, but seems to have been less advanced in his training, if he didnt just die brutally.
An older version taking on a mentor type role would work, but may not be as appealing to kids use to a teenage version plus with Luke and Leia do they need another elder stateperson.
Alternatively (or as well) her appearing in any of the spin off movies set between III and Rebels makes sense. She was known to Obi Won, Boba Fett and Yoda all of whom seem to be popular choices.
Spoiler for CW ..........................
thanks to events in later episodes she doesnt break the "Lukes the last of the Jedi" position either.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 20, 2015 20:24:23 GMT
So I went to see it last night, and for one glorious moment I thought I would be the only one there at 2345, then nine inconsiderate bastards show up and ruin my private screening. {Spoiler}
I loved it, it felt like Star Wars in a way that none of the prequels ever managed, but curiously I find myself in complete agreement about many of the problems people have raised with the film.
Given the framework of the story, it very much felt like a myth cycle, the same overall events but with a new cast of characters, but I think that's what causes some of the problems, for us older fans. We are aware of the old tropes so our concern is about how the new things came about, and we are poorly served in this film. How did the First Order arise, why is the Republic and the resistance separate, and what the hell is Snoke, off hand mention of the Knights of Ren?
The lack of the Fox fanfare was a bit odd but they had me with the opening crawl. Max Von Sydow does a lot with very little, he's obviously of some importance to Leia and co. but he is wasted here, figuratively and literally. I had thought he might be part of the First Order, although given the performance of Hux, I am glad he is not. At first I thought Finn might be a new clone, but in the telling it's quite nice that it's just a reference. Great to see the First Order are Evil and in the grand Star Wars tradition speak with a (mostly) english accent. The two Scottish accents that popped up in the film were rather nice,
It's great that Poe Dameron gets thrown clear of the Tie Fighter and the jacket he was wearing while flying it. Come on that is bush league pish that should be sorted out rather quickly. It's great how he jumps out of the film for a spell and then reappears.
Finn, Rey and Poe were all engaging when they were on the screen, very likeable leads and all putting in a good performance. General Hux as played by Domhnall Gleeson was the true star of the bad guys. Captain Phasma looked great but was just a Boba Fett analogue, not really doing much, but as she might not be dead, we could see more of her in the next film. Emo Ren was engaging with his temper tantrums, but just didn't have the presence. Snoke is, well based on this film utter bollocks, but I reserve judgement until we get more in films 2 and 3.
Great to see Ackbar and Nien Numb again. Keeping Luke till right at the very end, that was something Burns and I had speculated at doing, and hoped they wouldn't do. The Han and Chewie double-act was very engaging and Ford was top notch as Han. I didn't expect him to die in it, I figured we'd get him till the 3rd film, but it makes sense, especially given the Father/Son dynamics we've had in the Star Wars films.
Lightsaber fight was great, none of the ridiculous acrobatics of the prequels, it felt plausible and there were clear styles from each combatant as well.
BB8 was the best thing in it by a country mile, such an engaging performance.
I doff my hat to the trailer makers, for having given away next to nothing about the story in the trailers.
Now we can see why the Expanded Universe is no more, as they have cherry picked bits of it and tweaked it slightly, Han Solo and Leia's kid going bad..., the lightsaber belong to Luke being recovered from Bespin (that story will be in a novel before the end of the 3rd film).
Great to see practical and digital effects meshed together so well.
I realise it does sound like I am down on the film, but I genuinely enjoyed it and was captivated throughout, but for some reason I find myself being able to be critical towards it in a way that I can't with the 4-6.
I'd rank it far above the prequels, but still behind 4-6 and yes I will be at the cinema again to watch it.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 20, 2015 20:25:38 GMT
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I did wonder if there would be any kind of reference to Rebels. If not Ezra than what about Kanan? Mind you there is the retrofit question of where those two were during eps 4-6. Spoiler
As to where they are during IV-VI Ive been wondering that too.
The recent episodes of Rebels with the force senstive babies give a good theory. At some point they go off to train young jedi believing that is the best way to challenge the Empire. Those babies might even be some of Rens victims, though they would be at least a decade older than Ren so probably would be too old to be Lukes other Padwans/acolytes or whatever they would have become.
That theory would still require an explanation why untrained Luke would take over from either Kanan, Ezra or Asoka, unless there training thing was completely seperate from Lukes. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 20, 2015 20:25:42 GMT
Indeed.
STRICT SPOILER OBSERVANCE TO BE CONTINUED.
As Martin has said, this thread has been a grand example of fine behaviour, let's keep it up.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 20, 2015 20:31:37 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 20, 2015 20:32:00 GMT
Hmmm. It worked much better for me second time around. Whether that was down to knowing what I was getting this time or being free of self-induced hype I don't know but hey ho. I still think it's the weakest of the 7 films but I shall upgrade my rating to 'average space adventure'. Nowt amazing but watchable enough.
I agree with pretty much all of Andu's points under the spoiler tag. The Gestalt...united.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 20, 2015 20:57:37 GMT
Indeed. STRICT SPOILER OBSERVANCE TO BE CONTINUED. As Martin has said, this thread has been a grand example of fine behaviour, let's keep it up. Andy Personally, I think we should keep spoiler avoidance up until after Chrimbo. Due to the time of year folk will be fitting SW around family comittments etc so may not be able to see it on opening weekend. Keeping opinions general and specifics under spoiler tabs is the way to go for now. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 20, 2015 20:59:59 GMT
Aftermath is already on my radar. I'm up for a novel series. There are others too, I read Tarkin and enjoyed that. Looks like I need to read the comics too then!
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Post by blueshift on Dec 20, 2015 21:03:06 GMT
Indeed. STRICT SPOILER OBSERVANCE TO BE CONTINUED. As Martin has said, this thread has been a grand example of fine behaviour, let's keep it up. Andy Personally, I think we should keep spoiler avoidance up until after Chrimbo. Due to the time of year folk will be fitting SW around family comittments etc so may not be able to see it on opening weekend. Keeping opinions general and specifics under spoiler tabs is the way to go for now. -Ralph Yeah there's literally no way I'm gonna make it to the Cinema till at least the week after Christmas! |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 20, 2015 21:19:48 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 20, 2015 21:48:34 GMT
As it should be. Worldwide there is nothing anywhere near as big as Star Wars cinematically.
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Post by Stomski on Dec 20, 2015 22:18:06 GMT
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Post by legios on Dec 20, 2015 22:21:41 GMT
Indeed. STRICT SPOILER OBSERVANCE TO BE CONTINUED. As Martin has said, this thread has been a grand example of fine behaviour, let's keep it up. Andy Personally, I think we should keep spoiler avoidance up until after Chrimbo. Due to the time of year folk will be fitting SW around family comittments etc so may not be able to see it on opening weekend. Keeping opinions general and specifics under spoiler tabs is the way to go for now. -Ralph I think that would be a fair strategy. Judging from the experience in my own family at least - my sister said "don't tell me anything, I might want to go and see it but I won't get a chance before we go [down to the parental units for the traditional family rendezvous]". (I also think she was secretly hoping I would go first and tell her if it was safe to proceed...) Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 20, 2015 22:25:21 GMT
I appear to have shocked Stomski! I shocked myself! Though as I said I got much more out of the experience of watching TFA the second time.
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Post by Stomski on Dec 20, 2015 23:37:54 GMT
I keep reading TFA as 'Transformers Animated'.
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Post by Dave on Dec 21, 2015 10:18:20 GMT
Aftermath is already on my radar. I'm up for a novel series. I liked Aftermath. The writing style took a bit of getting used to and mid-way through I was finding the story tough going, but by the end I was loving it and looking forward to the next instalments. There was also something involving a character I found amusing, but it would be spoilery to say more. Anyway, back to The Force Awakens... Read about this yesterday... |
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