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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2019 5:58:43 GMT
No way will they do non-transforming Transformers as the core gimmick these days. I'll eat a pineapple pizza if they do that. You forget the shampoo bottle-like 'Titans'! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2019 5:59:41 GMT
What if Siege II was on another planet, ie Nebulos? Siege III could be Earth.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 7:41:05 GMT
You forget the shampoo bottle-like 'Titans'! -Ralph They're not Generations though. They are what they are - cheap tat character identifiers aimed at 3 year olds. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 7:48:41 GMT
What if Siege II was on another planet, ie Nebulos? Siege III could be Earth. -Ralph That would be great, but would Hasbro be that inventive? Hasbro seem to want to stick to the basic story, so Nebulos at this point has no Transformers on it. If the line is really called Armageddon, that's the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgement, so the final standoff on Cybertron before the Ark launches. We know the next fan vote was for a character who will stow aboard the Ark so I think we're going from the Autobots being pegged back in Iacon 'under siege' to the final standoff. I've always thought chapter 3 of this series will be called Exodus, then the next trilogy will be set back on Earth and give us all the same characters again with new Earth modes. It's just a shame that these line ideas have become concepts rather than a narrative. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 15, 2019 8:06:32 GMT
Hang on, there is fiction around Siege??
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 15, 2019 8:09:16 GMT
I think....
I don't think Action Masters will happen. And I'm not just saying that because I'm mad at them at the moment. Like others have said, I just can't see them doing non-transforming characters. Giving transforming characters transforming vehicles could work, but that would be have to be at Micromaster scale. Vehicles for large figures would be too expensive for them to make.
I think we'll see a Scorponok. And I think he'll be Titan. But we won't see him just yet what with Omega and Unicron upcoming (surely?!).
And I think we are just going to get the same characters on Earth in a future line. The same characters again and again. Forever.
From a personal point of view, Siege is giving me really nice looking Earthy/Cybertrony alt modes and great robot modes. It's giving me the Generations collection I've always wanted. Once Omega and the Siegekers come, find a Ratchet, and a few little holes like a Siegey Jazz and Wheeljack are filled, I'm gonna be done!
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2019 8:24:58 GMT
Super7 is adding G1 Sunbow to their line of 3.3/4" 70s Kenner Star Wars styled ReAction line.
Basically Actionmasters with less articulation.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 15, 2019 8:25:43 GMT
Petition to rename this 'The Armageddon Factor'
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 15, 2019 8:30:22 GMT
Only when Hasbro do
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2019 8:32:17 GMT
What if Siege II was on another planet, ie Nebulos? Siege III could be Earth. -Ralph That would be great, but would Hasbro be that inventive? Hasbro seem to want to stick to the basic story, so Nebulos at this point has no Transformers on it. If the line is really called Armageddon, that's the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgement, so the final standoff on Cybertron before the Ark launches. We know the next fan vote was for a character who will stow aboard the Ark so I think we're going from the Autobots being pegged back in Iacon 'under siege' to the final standoff. I've always thought chapter 3 of this series will be called Exodus, then the next trilogy will be set back on Earth and give us all the same characters again with new Earth modes. It's just a shame that these line ideas have become concepts rather than a narrative. Hasbro seems to no longer acknowledge nebulons as being a thing, anymore. Treating former nebulon characters as straight up cybertronians. Titanmasters and Battlemasters seem to be straight robot TFs from Cybertron. And even before then, they had been reclassed as minicons' all the way back to Universe 2.0 Cyclonus and, and including Gen 2.0 Scoop and Brainstorm. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 8:55:19 GMT
Hang on, there is fiction around Siege?? That's what I'm saying - there isn't. Hasbro have created a backdrop for playing with the toys, but they haven't put a story in it. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 8:58:21 GMT
I think we'll see a Scorponok. And I think he'll be Titan. But we won't see him just yet what with Omega and Unicron upcoming (surely?!). That's a good point. Last couple of years the current Titan was already out a month when NYCC came round and everyone was looking for the next new thing, but this time the focus should really be on Omega. Yeah, you say that, but wait until this trilogy is complete and the next one is all the 84 characters with proper accurate Earth modes. Then we start again. Shockers - you know full well it NEVER ENDS. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 15, 2019 9:24:15 GMT
Going to start in an odd place. From the initial Generations Select Press Release:As time has gone on it's become more apparent that Selects' main function is to provide repaints to balance the books on certain moulds with toys that they don't think will sell enough with a main line release. The main exception is Smokescreen, who I think is in Selects because there's already two of his mould in the main line plus an extra i the 35th line. As a result, pre wave 5, There's very few Siege toys with NO repaint/remould: Springer
Ravage & Laserbeak
Smashdown
Jetfire
Omega Supreme So I think I can see Selects continuing to fill the same function next year, which might make some seemingly single use moulds work in the main line. After looking initially like it was going to be "lets rehash 84/5 again" Siege hasn't done a bad job with the Generations character gaps: Flywheels, Sixgun, Brunt, Cog, Refraktor, Impactor, the 3 Powerdashers in Selects & boxsets, the two remaining female Autobot combiner limbs, Crosshairs, Spinister, Rung, Apeface. My expectation is it'll be similar going forward. As said above, the main indicator for WFC II would seem to be Siege w5: Battlemasters
Rung
Singe - Aimless repaint
Micromasters
Direct Hit & Power Punch
Rumble & Ratbat
Deluxe
Crosshairs - Ironhide repaint with a new head
Spinister
Voyager
Apeface
Leader
Astrotrain The Deluxes suggest Targetmasters are IN, with an expected repaint and a new mould that was in the Siege fan vote. In addition Needlenose has been in both the Siege and WFC II fan votes, so I could see him coming and we can see repaints/remoulds of some existing Siege toys as Targetmasters: Punch as Pointblank, Mirage as Sureshot, Impactor as Quake. The remaining leftovers from the Siege Fan Vote are Tracks and Wheeljack, both of whom have been paired as a remoulds before. Wheeljack has also been remoulded with Sunstreaker - all three share the car roof as chest, car front as legs TF so you could see all three being done from the same base to extend the 84 car remakes ..... and all three have recolours which would go lovely in Selects. The WFCII vote gives us one toy we can be sure of: Runamok the white Battlecharger. So you can probably put your house on a black Runabout repaint. The other two WFCII vote leftovers are Gnaw and Skrapnel. Which makes you think Hasbro fancies deluxe sized Insecticons. Battlemasters: More Targetmaster, to match the above. The Vanguard card reveal was interesting as that portrays a "do more Action Master companions" direction. Micromasters: More MM Combiners. More tapes - can definitely see Frenzy & Buzzsaw repaint. Possibly some Autobot tapes which might lead to a Soundwave remould as Blaster. Voyagers: Apeface distinctly implies Snapdragon, and we've speculated on both getting mad repaints as the BW Leaders, which would be right at home in Selects. Having done Starscream et al in Siege it would be no surprise to see the Coneheads showing up in WFCII Apeface & Snapdragon lead to Scorponok so I see that happening. I think I see Scorponok as a Commander, with Fastrack as a deluxe Weaponiser. The alternative is Scorponok as a Titan, with Fasttrack as the middle stage of a double Headmaster, but I don't think in the post TRU world I see any more Titans happening. And if they do Apeface, Snapdragon and Scorponok, might there be other Headmasters elsewhere? So where do Optimus and Megatron fit in, because they almost certainly will somewhere? The longer time goes on, the more sure I'm getting that the Armada Op is a WFCII Commander tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10564/takara-select-armada-optimus-prime This would make sense with the Unicron trilogy sub theme that's emerged with Siege Leader Cybertron Op and Selects Cybertron Defence Hotshot - and possibly point to an Armada Cyclonus repaint of Spinister? Megatron I'm less sure about.... Battlemasters
Peacemake
Spoilsport
Tiptop
Heater
Micromasters
Frenzy & Buzzsaw
More combiners
Deluxe
Quake from Impactor
Sureshot from Mirage
Pointblank from Punch
Weaponiser Fasttrack
Tracks
Wheeljack
Sunstreaker
Voyager
Snapdragon
Blaster from Soundwave
More Tripplechangers?
Thrust
Dirge
Ramjet
Leader
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Commander
Scoponok
Armada Optimus Prime
Selects
Optimus Primal from Apeface
BW Megatron from Snapdragon
Armada Cyclonus from Spinister
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 9:42:42 GMT
Excellent reasoning there, Phil. I'd be surprised if you're not on the money with that. Scorponok is the interesting one. I can still see it going both ways - but you might be right that Omega was too far into production when TRU went down, which means Jetfire/Omega is an overlap year as they bring the size of the top tier toy down. It would be a shame I think not to finish the Titan run with Scorponok because he's the only figure left realistically that would sell at that size/price, but there are a lot of arguments that he should be Commander class anyway.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 15, 2019 9:45:47 GMT
I think there's a whole pile of stuff in there I can't see and I think they'll be some more loose ends by the end of the line too
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 15, 2019 12:24:46 GMT
Yeah, you say that, but wait until this trilogy is complete and the next one is all the 84 characters with proper accurate Earth modes. Then we start again. Shockers - you know full well it NEVER ENDS. Well, I'm not saying I'll never buy another Transformer, I'd certainly buy Prowls and Shockwaves, but I can't keep going around and around! I'm getting my as-close-to-dream collection with Siege. I like the earth/Cybertron blend in Siege, I don't think I'd want everyone again in pure earthy modes. Siege is finally giving me the figures I've always wanted. Decent non-gimmicky figures of my favourite characters. I've got a good non-gimmicky tank Megatron, a good non-gimmicky truck Optimus, voyager Strike Planes, decent Ironhide/Ratchet at last, funky space-brick Soundwave with his cassettes. Already have nice Insecticions, superb Mini-Autobots, a massive Devastator, soon a massive Omega. (Heh, actually, the figure I'm most displeased with is Prowl because of his gappy legs!) I've spent a lot of time over the last couple of years thinking 'what do I actually want'. Masterpiece is out, too expensive, and... too high-end! Breakable! Non-play-with-able! Generations Siege has fundamentally delivered for me! I know it never truly ends, there will always (hopefully) be new Prowls. But I can see a time in the future of REST and and and just sitting back and enjoying the collection I have. Just a few holes to fill, just a few, then rest. Rest at the end of the road. Breathe a sigh of relief. No more constant collecting with it's hoping and dreaming and uncertainty (yes, it's the uncertainty that's the most annoying). Hoping they'll complete the team, then getting disappointed when they don't for ages. I nearly so very nearly have my Team. I NEARLY HAVE MY TEAM!!! |
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Post by Benn on Sept 15, 2019 12:42:03 GMT
Can I have a decent Huffer in this line please?
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Post by Llama God on Sept 15, 2019 13:08:57 GMT
Some very good suppositions there, Phil. And I think you could be on the money.
I was originally going to ask "but what about the overall line gimmick?", being that we had Combiner Wars (combiners), Titans Return (Titan/Head Masters), PotP (um... use-your-imagination Powermasters/cop-out Pretenders) and Siege (C.O.M.B.A.T. C.O.L.I.N.). But given how much they've strayed from actually bothering with a coherent line-wide gimmick over the last couple of lines, a simple line-wide re-badging is probably the way they'll go.
Also an interesting point there from Pinwig - with the collapse of TRU, could we see the end of the Titan class? Especially with the Trump-imposed tariffs coming in the near future, and Hasbro's promise to pass those costs on to the consumer. It's certainly a possibility, and one that I'll not be too sad about, I'll confess. For the time being at least we've got some pretty decent Titans, so I think if they concentrate on smaller, better-designed figures then I'll be okay with that.
A good question about Megatron, too. Optimus Prime really works with the new figure-with-accessory scheme that they're going with at the moment, simply because he's had so many past releases where he interacts with his trailer. Megatron... not so. The only leader Megatrons we've had have just been... large Megatrons. Unless they're going to do something crazy and invent a Megatron that combines with some accessories (which would be GREAT) then a commander Scorponok does indeed seem a lot more likely.
So yeah, I think we're guaranteed to see... stuff. That kinda works together if you squint a little.
What we're guaranteed to not get is the bread-van Wheeljack that everyone wants. Because Hasbro hates us.
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Post by Benn on Sept 15, 2019 13:41:07 GMT
Howabout a Megatron/Tidal Wave combiner?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2019 16:40:26 GMT
You forget the shampoo bottle-like 'Titans'! -Ralph They're not Generations though. They are what they are - cheap tat character identifiers aimed at 3 year olds. They are official Transformers toys. Not tat. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2019 16:41:40 GMT
Hang on, there is fiction around Siege?? Yes. A Netflix show, which has yet to debut. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2019 16:49:12 GMT
Can I have a decent Huffer in this line please? I believe Huffer, Pipes, and Hubcap are the last ones left that Hasbro hasn't even halfassed a version of. (An orange/blue undersized optimus repaint does not even qualify as halfassed, in my book) It's honestly surprising we've yet to get a halfway decent Huffer/Pipes. I mean, I would have figured we would get a huffer before two new mold talegates. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
I gave up waiting. The Mechanic Studio Legends scale Huffer & Pipes are spot on.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 15, 2019 17:25:05 GMT
Three of the Deluxe Insecticons (Venom, Barrage & Ransack) still need a go from 86 and earlier.
But you mentioning Minibots raises a point that had been in my head: No BB yet in this line.
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Post by Shockprowl on Sept 15, 2019 17:28:16 GMT
A Bumblebee based on his Cybertronian design in More Than Meets the Eye ("Bumblebee with wings" as youngest calls him) would be most welcomed.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 15, 2019 17:44:17 GMT
Bumblebee and the Tetrajet shape are the most memorable MTMTE alt forms going, so it seems weird this line wouldn't have him, but we also know Hasbro are trying to do the scale thing, so they'd have to bring the Legends size back in. If they do him as a tiny Deluxe he'd need something else in the box.
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Post by Toph on Sept 15, 2019 18:30:19 GMT
They launched Siege saying that the sunbow pilot was their inspiration. Of every character shown with a cybertronian alt mode in it, only Starscream has manifested.
(Soundwave's supposed lightpole is undocumented and unofficial. Laserbeak's head is the only part that matches how he looked, the rest of his body is earth based. Megatron and optimus were never shown with alt modes)
This is the most logical line in years to put Bumblebee in.
Like I kinda get that Wheeljack is flat out impossible to make robot with a lancia altmode actually transform into a hovervan, in a deluxe scale.
And Starscream shows you just... Shouldn't do that.
But Bumblebee isnt really that far fetched, you know? They could have turned his wings into earth-legs and feet. Made him a bit smaller (scout sized), and gave him a bigger accessory. Or use him to offset another oversized deluxe.
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Post by Llama God on Sept 16, 2019 6:26:33 GMT
Yeah, the main problem with Bumblebee is his size. The other problem with Bumblebee, I'd suspect, is that with him having such a starring role in both Cyberverse and his own film, even Hasbro didn't want to swamp the shelves with different versions of toys of the character. Maybe in Armageddon, though... Good point on how the Scout class issue could be worked around, though. In fact, if they were being really clever, they could ship him in a two-pack with Wheeljack as an exclusive. That'd fit their current distribution strategy... Howabout a Megatron/Tidal Wave combiner? I'd completely forgotten about him, but good point! Except that wouldn't fit into their pricing strategy now, unless "Tidal Wave" was a non-transforming boat... |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 16, 2019 8:47:34 GMT
Can Cyberverse Scout Armour Megatron combine with the aircraft carrier that comes with Bumblebee and Cheetor?
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Sept 17, 2019 6:28:15 GMT
I know that the armour between figures of the same size classes is certainly *meant* to be interchangeable...
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