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Post by The Doctor on Feb 23, 2020 16:30:08 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 23, 2020 16:46:49 GMT
Given the way this usually works it'll be a new improved Metroplex.
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Post by Toph on Feb 23, 2020 16:59:14 GMT
Do we think Skorpy represents the last of the Titan class releases for Hasbro, then? I mean, he's the last city-bot. I know they sneaked Omega in but there aren't really any big chaps left other than repaints, which have limited appeal. This is my thought. There's nowhere left to go with this line besides ultra obscure limited appeal repaints. Skylynx is the last G1 dude that's well suited to this class, and with the commander coming soon, I doubt they'll upsize him anytime soon. (I think it's more likely to see properly sized Commander Class Fort Max and Scorponok before we'd see a commander upsized. That's another class with a limited amount of characters) Majin Zarak, Metrotitan, RiD Fort Max, Omega Sentinel, and G2 Devastator are the only real repaint options. Unicron, Tidalwave, Megastorm, Animated Omega Supreme, Energon Omega Supreme, and Cybertron Metroplex are really the last "big boys" left. Unicron was blown on that oversized Haslab thing, Tidalwave works better as Commander, while none of the others are Sunbow G1 enough for the current design team. And they've proven they can't make a decent combiner at this scale. So there's nowhere left to go. But according to my friend who watches a lot of podcasts, Warden said in an interview during Toyfair that they're not done with this class. I kinda hope Warden is talking out his ass, like usual. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 23, 2020 20:26:32 GMT
Tidal Wave might be the next given the smattering of Armada characters that have cropped up.
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Post by Jim on Feb 23, 2020 21:01:40 GMT
They should give us the first female Titan - an Ark that turns into Auntie!
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Post by Llama God on Feb 24, 2020 7:33:28 GMT
I demand a Spanner!
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Post by The Huff on Feb 24, 2020 9:56:04 GMT
This would work very well alongside the Ramp Masters.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2020 11:18:15 GMT
Tidal Wave might be the next given the smattering of Armada characters that have cropped up. I think that would suit the size class very well but he wasn't in Sunbow so unlikely with the current team, I suspect. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 24, 2020 11:19:05 GMT
This would work very well alongside the Ramp Masters. YES!!! But as Phil has pointed out, the current team can only make one type of base. Spanner would need to be different. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2020 23:54:37 GMT
My money is still on Broadside for the next Commander. He might seem niche, but then so is Sky Lynx really.
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Post by Llama God on Feb 25, 2020 7:31:25 GMT
But as Phil has pointed out, the current team can only make one type of base. Spanner would need to be different. He'd just have to be a different type of bridge, that's all. Instead of a suspension bridge he'd turn into a classic crotch-spread bridge... |
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Post by The Huff on Feb 25, 2020 8:17:40 GMT
What about Overlord as the next Titan after Scorponok? He was just as much of a City bot as a toy.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 25, 2020 8:59:14 GMT
(Given it's own thread)
I've never seen Overlord as quite that big.
I think he might make quite a decent Commander though.
There's a school of thought that's suggesting a cartoon accurate Metroplex is a possibility, based on comments by John Warden.
After that you're running out of options. Grandus, but that's relatively obscure Japanese teritory
I felt last year like the Titans had limited shelf life and options left so Commanders were being brought in to replace.
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 25, 2020 15:27:26 GMT
Do we know how popular the Titans have been? Have they sold well? Must have if they've made so many.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 25, 2020 17:15:27 GMT
Given the way this usually works it'll be a new improved Metroplex. Given that Metroplex was quite good I think an all new Max is more likely. I wouldnt rule out a titan class Unicron, even, or especially, next year. If not then, 2022 is 20 years since Armada they could justify another Unicron so close to the haslab one if it was Armada based. And that could be followed up with a Primus around 2025 for Cybertrons 20th. At that point Titans will have been on the go for over a decade. I think Phil might be right Commander Class could be the ongoing option. Aside from the lack of option without redoing the ones we've gotten already I cant see then maintains the size and complexity and the current price for much longer. I dont need more Titans toys that look like Predaking or Hasbros Devastator. Commander class has a lot more options. Commander Scorponok and Max (maybe nearer Leader Class in height for Marvel comics accuracy, but with lots of accessories or minifigures). Metroplex as commander class I could see. Would probably be about the right height to go with Trypticon. Overlord. Tidalwave. Broadside. |
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2020 19:05:06 GMT
My friend thinks they'll go into the IDW titans, but Hasbro doesn't work that way.
I personally think the size needs to be dropped. But I guess Hasbro disagrees.
So, without just redoing toys that have already beed done (IE a new Fort Max or Metroplex, which is highly probable), and without doing something new (new characters or concepts, or taking from the comics, all of which Hasbro won't do), their options are limited. At least in terms of what will sell well enough to justify, combined with what Hasbro is willing to do
· RiD Fort Max repaint - I think this has the highest probability, but I think as time passes, the chance gets lower.
· Omega Sentinel repaint - Think this also has a fairly high possibility
· Metrotitan repaint - Lower probability. But I think as time goes, this possibility raises.
· Gigastorm retool - Almost no chance. It's nasty BW, after all.
· G2 Devastator repaint - If it didn't happen at SDCC that year, it's not happening.
· Black Zarak retool - I think if it doesn't happen in the next year or two, it probably won't. I think it's like RiD For Max.
· Skylynx new tool - They already used this one as a commander. But a higher possibility over most.
· Animated Omega Supreme new tool - Unlikely for tons of reasons
· G1 Unicron - they already sold their Haslab unicron. They don't seem to care about undermining their own products once it's sold, so this probably will happen as the next one, or after it.
· Beast Machines Grand Mal Megatron - never gonna happen.
· Armada Tidalwave new tool - This works best, imo. And if I had my druthers, it'd happen before a combiner. But unlikely because not G1.
· Armada Unicron, new tool - unlikely because G1 Unicron
· Energon Omega Supreme, new tool - unlikely for many of the same reasons as Animated Omega
· Cybertron Primus, new tool - Actually a decent chance. They can pretend it was G1 all along.
· Cybertron Metroplex - Unlikely
· Grandus - Highly obscure japanese character. Unlikely. But I think it'll happen before some of the non-g1 options, just because it's G1.
If they opened up Titan and Commander class to Studio Series, they could extend these classes by several years. (I mean doing a Studio Series every so often instead of a Classics style character. So would still be one Titan and commander a year)
· AoE Grimlock - Grimlock would be an amazing entry. And probably the first. He would be in scale with a voyager Optimus.
· AoE Scorn - Would be highly likely if they did open it up to Studio
· RotF Jetfire - would probably be the following year after Grimlock
· AoE Slog - Unlikely, but I could see it more than some of the non-movies.
· RotF Demolishor - the ability to get it close to true scale I think would make it a possibility
Commander Class has more potential IMO. Almost everything that works for Titan, works here. I also think Hasbro miiiiightly be more willing to embrace non-g1 characters. And like with Titan, if they opened it up to Studio, that extends the class's life.
· G1 Fortress Maximus
· G1 Scorponok
· G1 Powermaster Optimus Prime/Ginrai
· G1 Overlord
· G1 Star Saber
· G1 Sludge
· G1 Dai Atlas
· G1 Sixwing
· G1 Sixturbo
· G1 Sixbuilder
· G1 Sixliner
· G1 Road Caesar
· G1/2 Skyquake
· G2 Clench
· G2 Laserrod Optimus + repaints
· G2 Dreadwing & Smokescreen + BWII
· BW Gigastorm + Tripicon retool
· BW Magnaboss
· BW Tripredacus
· BW Optimal Optimus
· BM Tankor
· RiD Optimus
· RiD Ultra Magnus
· RiD Railracer
· RiD Landfill
· Armada Optimus
· Armada Tidalwave
· Energon Omega Supreme
· Energon Optimus
· Cybertron Metroplex
· Cybertron Menasor
· TFA Lugnut
· TFA Blackout
· TFP Predaking
· Movie Grimlock (not as effective as titan)
· Movie Scorn (same)
· Movie Slog (same, but more likely to happen here)
· Movie Slug
· Movie Strafe
· Movie Snarl
· Movie Blackout + Grindor
· Movie The Fallen
· Movie Jetfire
Now I know Hasbro will never do a ton of these, but unlike Titan Class, there's just more bots that work in this class.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 25, 2020 19:12:33 GMT
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2020 19:33:52 GMT
That...irritates me in ways I can't quite figure out how to articulate. Maybe even in ways I don't fully understand.
This, combined with half of what they've done with Earthrise, and the more controversial parts of Siege (omitting most of the characters that actually had cybertronian forms in the source material), the general putdown of Beast Wars by admitting Primal was a joke in the fan poll no one was meant to choose... Just...
This man is entirely unplugged from what people actually seem to want.
Am I wrong? Is this a bad takeaway? I'm asking sincerely, because I can't tell if my own biases against him are clouding me.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 25, 2020 19:44:47 GMT
Warden came on board post T30 Metroplex and probably sees it as a bit too stylised. And not done on his watch.
And it is 7 years old this year, though quite how many people who would be up for a redo is questionable....
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 25, 2020 20:02:56 GMT
I would, but it would have to be significantly different. I love the character and I love the 2013 toy to bits, but I don't need something that looks almost but not quite like the original. I'm not sure how you could make it different enough to warrant the price.
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2020 20:10:30 GMT
Yeah, I've not really heard anyone in the fandom ask for another Metroplex. Even the people who didn't get one, or didn't like it. At least not the same way I sometimes hear people wanting a new Fort Max.
And like... That's really rare in this fandom.
(I have heard a few who wouldn't mind a reissue, though).
But my comment wasn't specific to Metroplex. That comment of his I quoted just seems to me to be a spotlight on the general problem that he doesn't seem to be in touch with what the fandom actually wants as he thinks he does. And his actions since he took over are just full of this.
It's like he thinks "this is what I want, I am a fan, thus that means this is what everyone must want."
And this is where I can't tell if this is how it reads to others, or if I've gotten stuck in my own head just because I don't agree with his decisions.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 25, 2020 20:35:09 GMT
It's an interesting point. I'd say generally he's doing exactly what I want, with the exception of selling us a load of Siege figures that have been replaced so quickly. My own desire when it comes to Generations is to have a modern articulated version of each of the G1 characters, which he's doing fairly systematically.
He's doing well at giving us toys for characters that have been overlooked, like the Powerdashers, the city bot assistants, Micromasters and bases. He's also done good updates for a lot of G1 characters that haven't had a decent figure in recent years. He's also improving as he goes - like the new uniform scale bringing down the oversized leaders (put TR Soundwave and Megatron together as an example) and varying the heights of figures inside classes to add variety within that scale (again, put all the TR Deluxes together and they all look too similar. Put the Siege ones together and there's huge variety in shape).
I understand that means other stuff like Beast Wars is getting ignored, but I like completing sets of things. A line like T30 that was a bit of everything was frustrating to me because we ended up with things like one Headmaster, or a random Minicon combiner. War for Cybertron is ticking things off in sets, and that excites me. So I suppose I'm really happy with the way things are at the moment, but I totally get if you want more variety than just G1 it'd be frustrating as hell.
What saddens me is the fact we seem to be past the days of toys in the current line that appeal to both children and adults. Armada was fun on both counts I think, Animated too. Prime, okay, RiD had a few cool figures, Cyberverse has fun ideas but cheap quality. That's where there's a hole. I don't need new characters in Generations, but I miss lines like Animated and Armada.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 25, 2020 20:51:46 GMT
A gigantic Tidal Wave would be amazing
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2020 21:10:08 GMT
Warden came on board post T30 Metroplex and probably sees it as a bit too stylised. And not done on his watch. And it is 7 years old this year, though quite how many people who would be up for a redo is questionable.... I would be up for one as I missed out on it at the time and would love a giant Metroplex. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2020 21:24:44 GMT
I'm not doubting that the toys themselves haven't been great (well, some better than others).
But we're just getting the same toys over and over and over. Or at least the same designs.
There was just zero reason to do four grey tank megatrons with borderline identical robot modes, in a row (more if you count Cyberverse). A little more variety with Optimus, but not much. Now we're seeing complete do-overs of the same core somewhat obscure characters in less than a year.
That's specifically the problem. And where I feel the "this is what I want, and thus that means everyone does" mentality is in play.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 25, 2020 21:45:21 GMT
Yes, that part is annoying. How close they've come together is poor. I remember finally getting Siege Skywarp and then seeing Earthrise Starscream revealed a month later.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2020 21:49:58 GMT
GAH!
I still cannot find anywhere that sells the Siege Skywarp and His Battlemasters set!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Huff on Feb 26, 2020 8:34:34 GMT
Why is everyone ignoring Overlord?
He was a massive toy - ever so slightly taller than Scorponok. He was also designed as a City as his arms are towers with tiny window details all over them.
Yes, he was never that big in the comics (cough - Fort Max Scorponok) but was pretty big in the cartoons. Again, pretty much on a level with Black Zarak.
He is also a big name in the fandom.
Personally, I'd like an affordable Unicron for the less privileged or an orange Autobot City playset that just transforms into a defence mode.
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Post by Jim on Feb 26, 2020 19:01:15 GMT
I second all of that! Overlord had a decent update a few years back, but the base mode was lacking. He's a great candidate.
Also agree about using the size class for playsets - Autobot City and/or the Ark could be great (Auntie has to be included somehow though!)
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Post by The Huff on Feb 26, 2020 20:47:45 GMT
Grandus would also be a good candidate.
The problem is that in the UK/US line all big toys after Powermaster Prime had no robot modes. Countdown was the largest toy after that - perhaps they could just give his Rocket Base a robot mode.
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Do we think Earthrise Titan Scorponok represents the last of the Titan class releases for Hasbro, then? I mean, he's the last city-bot. I know they sneaked Omega in but there aren't really any big chaps left other than repaints, which have limited appeal.
