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Post by blueshift on Nov 14, 2023 12:55:28 GMT
I didn't even know an MCU film was out. Wow. I guess I really have lost interest of late. -Ralph Another knock on affect of the strike is the lack of promotion. Shame as it is a lot of fun. They say that, but it doesn't stop them doing posters and trailers and all the like. For whatever reason, Disney has been really poor at promoting their stuff the last few years. I knew the Marvels was coming out but not when, and no clue what it's supposed to be about even when watching the trailer. Apparently their new animated film, Wish, is out next week. I've seen zero promoting it!! |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 14, 2023 12:57:00 GMT
Thinking about it, feels like Disney has fallen into the Doctor Who series 9 advertising problem, where they basically advertised it with 'here's more of the same stuff ok'
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 14, 2023 13:34:23 GMT
Another knock on affect of the strike is the lack of promotion. Shame as it is a lot of fun. They say that, but it doesn't stop them doing posters and trailers and all the like. For whatever reason, Disney has been really poor at promoting their stuff the last few years. I knew the Marvels was coming out but not when, and no clue what it's supposed to be about even when watching the trailer. Apparently their new animated film, Wish, is out next week. I've seen zero promoting it!! The only reason I know when Wish is out is that they have been advertising it at cinema since at least August. Outside of that nothing. Thing is I rarely watch anything with adverts these days and if I do its usually recorded so they get skipped. And I just dont notice posters all that often. That leaves interviews, red carpet and social media that aim to go viral. These are the things that usually catch my attention enough to at least remind me something is about to come out. None of which happened during the strikes. In effect if I wasnt already pretty regularly at cinema I dont think any advertising would have reached me for either film. So yeah Disney have been bad at this for a while, but at least from my perspective the strikes show just how much they rely on star powered (free-ish) advertising. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 14, 2023 16:27:05 GMT
Re-watching the Hunger Games films on Blu-ray this week, as I haven't seen any of them since they first came out, and the prequel hits cinemas this Friday. Too busy to take time off work that day, so will see it on Sunday.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 14, 2023 16:35:16 GMT
I didn't even know an MCU film was out. Wow. I guess I really have lost interest of late. -Ralph Another knock on affect of the strike is the lack of promotion. Shame as it is a lot of fun. The lack of direction post-Endgame, drop in quality and the feeling I need to watch multiple TV shows has really put me off bothering at the moment. I also had no idea The Marvels was even out! Following the MCU was fun and easy until the Disney Plus glut of stuff and then it started to feel like work so my interest evaporated. I may give The Marvels a go at the weekend if I can be bothered but I haven't seen all of Ms Marvel or any of Secret Invasion so it...feels like work. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 14, 2023 16:36:44 GMT
Another knock on affect of the strike is the lack of promotion. Shame as it is a lot of fun. They say that, but it doesn't stop them doing posters and trailers and all the like. For whatever reason, Disney has been really poor at promoting their stuff the last few years. I knew the Marvels was coming out but not when, and no clue what it's supposed to be about even when watching the trailer. Apparently their new animated film, Wish, is out next week. I've seen zero promoting it!! Wish is out next week?? I saw a trailer for it zonks ago and heard nowt since. I had assumed it was a 2024 release! -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 14, 2023 16:53:39 GMT
I haven't seen all of Ms Marvel or any of Secret Invasion I haven't seen either of them. It didn't matter. But it did leave me wanting to see Ms Marvel. Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 14, 2023 17:01:37 GMT
Secret Invasion feels like it should fit in to The Marvels narrative, but it doesnt at all.
If anything The Marvels raises even more questions about what the point of SI was.
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 14, 2023 17:02:10 GMT
I haven't seen all of Ms Marvel or any of Secret Invasion I haven't seen either of them. It didn't matter. But it did leave me wanting to see Ms Marvel. Martin Its left me wanting to rewatch it too. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 14, 2023 17:13:18 GMT
Secret Invasion feels like it should fit in to The Marvels narrative, but it doesnt at all. In The Marvels, we find Nick Fury pretty much where he was, and who he was, in the end credit bonus scene of Spider-Man: Far From Home. The only essential viewing for The Marvels is Captain Marvel. Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Nov 14, 2023 19:53:14 GMT
I haven't seen all of Ms Marvel or any of Secret Invasion I haven't seen either of them. It didn't matter. But it did leave me wanting to see Ms Marvel. Martin Ms Marvel is great but has some weird pacing issues as seems to be standard for Disney tv |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 14, 2023 20:33:29 GMT
Yup. I watched two episodes but hee haw happened so gave up.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Nov 14, 2023 22:15:30 GMT
I got to the end of it but it was a slog in places.
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Post by legios on Nov 14, 2023 22:16:04 GMT
I didn't bother with Secret Invasion, and I suspect that by the time I circle back around to having Disney+ for a while I'll probably have forgotten it ever existed.
I do want to see The Marvels, because it sounds like it might be good fun - which is kind of what I want from a Superhero movie really. Honestly it is the last Marvel project I am aware of that I have much interest in currently. But I'm not anxious to go to the cinema whilst there are many folks there - so the window I could actually see it in is a bit narrow around here. Might wait and pick up the DVD release in due course. Also means I can have a comfy seat to sit in whilst I watch it rather than the narrow seats at the local Vue...
Karl
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 15, 2023 6:01:07 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Nov 15, 2023 9:56:52 GMT
I've got a few friends outside the toy robot circles who really liked it, though perhaps its a self selecting audience at that point! (I'm the person who REALLY liked Love and Thunder though so it takes all sorts)
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 15, 2023 11:43:49 GMT
I enjoyed Love and Thunder and Quantumania, but I could still see where the hate was coming from. Im honestly not seeing the issue with Marvels. Like I said, its not the greatest movie ever made, but its a fun 100 minutes.
I feel like people are over thinking it.
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Post by jonathan85 on Nov 16, 2023 18:57:46 GMT
I enjoyed Love and Thunder and Quantumania, but I could still see where the hate was coming from. Im honestly not seeing the issue with Marvels. Like I said, its not the greatest movie ever made, but its a fun 100 minutes. I feel like people are over thinking it. I think there's a couple of additional factors at play here. There's def some Marvel fatigue that has built up among some folk, and it's been a bit of a pile-on for people wanting to have a go at them as a whole. Secondly, there's def a misogynistic anti-woke element targeting comment threads to stress how awful it all is. |
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 16, 2023 19:46:18 GMT
Yeah I just ignore the misogynists in these things they bring nothing of relevance.
The fatigue I almost understand. Except when something is fatiguing me I step away till I actually want to watch/do it again.
If you dont enjoy a film because you have seen too many similar films recently, fine. Saying its a bad film because its too similar to other films I dont get.
That still leaves some unexpectedly negative reviews from people who dont go in for the above.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 16, 2023 20:14:19 GMT
I feel fatigue because I was happy watching 2-4 films a year. I didn't want to have to watch loads of TV shows as well just to keep up. Feels like work.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 16, 2023 20:28:04 GMT
I didn't want to have to watch loads of TV shows as well just to keep up. You don't have to, any more than you have to read all Marvel's comics in order to read some of them. I don't. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 16, 2023 20:31:23 GMT
You're missing my point.
Following the MCU was nice and easy: just watch 2-4 new films a year to keep up with the ongoing storylines. I enjoyed that. It did not feel like work.
Producing umpteen TV shows in a short space of time and telling the viewers that they need to watch all of them *as well* is a big sudden increase in the amount of content. It feels like work, so I tuned out.
Whether some of the new shows and films are any good I don't know. I stopped watching/paying attention. The glut put me off.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 16, 2023 20:57:52 GMT
I may still be missing your point, and apologise if so. But I've never subscribed to Disney+ so I skip lots of the Marvel TV shows and don't care because I know they're not essential to enjoying the cinema films, just as I know I could follow a few major comic titles in the Marvel universe without following all the other titles that cross over with or feed into them. I know I enjoy cinema more than TV as an experience, as a general rule, so the existence of the TV shows doesn't put me off the films at all.
I could see how I might be put off the films if I believed that my enjoyment of them required watching the TV shows in order to make sense of the plot, but I know it doesn't, so I'm not.
My point is, it's as easy as it ever was to follow the MCU (which always had optional tie-in comics, Agent Carter, Agents of SHIELD, etc.) - I just keep in mind what the C in MCU stands for, watch the films on the big screen and can feel free to ignore or dip in and out of everything else.
As with Star Wars, to me, all the media that fill in gaps between MCU films are optional extras for those who want them.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 16, 2023 21:49:34 GMT
Previously, the shows such as Agents of Shield and the Marvel Netflix shows did their own thing. They weren't marketed as part of the overall MCU storylines. The Disney Plus shows *are* heavily marketed as such. That is the difference.
Whether or not audiences *need* to see the Disney Plus shows to be able to still easily follow the theatrical films is a seperate issue.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Nov 16, 2023 21:55:51 GMT
I feel free to ignore or dip in and out of the films as well. If something looks interesting to me, I'll watch it. If it doesn't, I won't. I'm not going to decide to see Captain America 3 (4, whatever) because I might go and see Armour Wars (or whichever way around they are coming out).
_But_ I understand your position Ralph position. I can see why it might matter to someone - to be told "you need to watch everything, it all fits together", and then feel like there is a deluge of "stuff" coming at them. Yeah, that could feel pretty oppressive.
(Or on occasion hilarious - Fast 9 was particularly funny for throwing a load of characters at me for one or two scenes who were probably cameos from supporting cast from previous films. To me it was mostly a load of random people showing up with motivations for doing things that were entirely unclear and then departing with no real clarity as to why they were there in the first place... It felt like the franchises minimal interest in logic had started to spread to the basic narrative tissue and entire scenes were just appearing and disappearing randomly...)
Karl
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 16, 2023 22:12:23 GMT
Have Disney+ ever actually pushed the idea that you need to see everything? I know that what is always said I just dont remember it coming from Disney.
Because its a pretty silly thing to say.
Even if it was true, which it has never been even when it was just movies, I just dont remember them saying it. Its always been sold as watch this its fun and there might be some extra fun if you've seen such and such. But its generally not been important and unlike F9 generally hasnt stuck out if you didnt get it.
As Martin said the shows dont generally do more than create a couple of lines of dialogue in the follow up movies.
And equally you've always been able to watch the tv shows with little to no knowledge of the films. As with the comics you are always given enough information to work with. Netflix lived in a grey zone for 4 years. AOS gradually drifted further from the films as it went. Moonknight requires no prior knowledge that I can remember. Ms Marvel technically it helps if you know of Captain Marvel, but Kamala could be fangirling any random superhero. So not really important.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier is the only proper sequel. Even then its not vital to see. If you only saw Endgame and then go straight to Captain America 4 I dont think you are going to be missing anything.
Weirdly GOTG Holiday Special is the only D+ show that feels like required viewing prior to its follow up. Even then, barely.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 18, 2023 23:52:13 GMT
I had some time to kill between things this afternoon and the first film starting was The Marvels so gave it a whirl.
I did feel I was missing things from not seeing the TV shows, certainly, particularly the beginning and the end. It did also have the feel of a Troubled Production: felt like big chunks were missing, certain things weren't paid off etc.
And yet...it was fun. I had a good time. It was mostly a comedy and one sequence in particular had me howling. Even Samuel L Jackson looked like he was having fun for once.
Deeply flawed but I enjoyed it anyway. One of the better post-Endgame films. Lacked bloat.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 20, 2023 5:38:47 GMT
1. Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One
2. John Wick: Chapter 4
3. The Three Musketeers: D'Artagnan
4. Oppenheimer
5. The Marvels
6. The Equalizer 3
7. Babylon
8. A Haunting in Venice
9. The Hunger Games: The Ballad Of Songbirds & Snakes (decent prequel)
10. Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
11. Sisu
12. Blue Beetle
13. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
14. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
15. M3gan
16. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem
17. Haunted Mansion
18. Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
19. Dungeons & Dragons: Honour Among Thieves
20. Scream VI
21. The Creator
22. Expend4bles
23. Meg 2: The Trench
24. Hypnotic
25. The Flash
26. Shazam! Fury of the Gods
27. Operation Fortune: Ruse de Guerre (TV movie)
28. Plane
29. Renfield
30. The Enforcer
31. 65
People who don't like long films will hate the Hunger Games prequel, because at one point it comes to what could be the end of the film, but decides to make that just the end of the second act and continue on and do what could have been a second film. I didn't mind.
I'm going to find Ridley Scott's 'Napoleon' frustrating, because I know they've done the same thing with it that they did to Ridley Scott's 'Kingdom of Heaven' (and all six of Peter Jackson's Middle-Earth films), namely chopped an hour off the running time to make it short enough for cinema audiences, with the full uncut version released later, in this case on Apple TV+. No doubt the film will have all the battles and look great on the big screen, but the characters will be short-changed and viewers will have to watch the non-theatrical version for their stories.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Nov 20, 2023 22:28:32 GMT
Ah. I thought the run time for that was surprisingly short. Okay, I shall wait to see the full version. Hopefully as a BR release. Really looking forward to it.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 20, 2023 22:31:27 GMT
I can only think of one film where the longer version is better. Theatrical cuts tend to have better pacing.
-Ralph
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