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Post by Pinwig on May 12, 2024 15:10:54 GMT
When I saw it was meant to be a UK distributed car this week following my birthday I made sure it was my favourite I think this is the key to the conundrum. Phil's pattern has split the 84 cars that came out in 85 off from the others. There are also a lot more bots to cons in this era. So it's: Minibot 84 Car Deception 85 but really 84 Car In Sideswipe and Trailbreaker Phil is clearly picking his favourites, so tomorrow will be his favourite jet because of the mixed up tech specs. As opposed to Frenzy/Rumble because their colours weren't a tech spec mixup. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 12, 2024 19:26:14 GMT
Quite right Mr Pinwig! Surprised it took that long for people to get There's 4 groups, 2 of which had already had 2 goes | Week | Subject | Round 1 | Round 2 | | 1 | Minibot | Bumblebee | Clifjumper | | 2 | 84 UK Car | Jazz | Sideswipe | | 3 | Decepticon | Soundwave & Buzzsaw | Starscream | | 4 | 84 non UK Autobot | Trailbreaker | Sunstreaker |
One of these groups has an A/B pattern to it depending which round we're doing Each group has 6 entries.... apart from the one you haven't seen yet at the end of rounds 3 and 6... The key to this is there were so many groups of 6 in 1984 and the two weren't a 5 were easily fixable. 1985 on the otherhand.... |
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Post by The Doctor on May 12, 2024 19:55:46 GMT
I have no idea what any of that means. Genuinely. AB what now?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 12, 2024 20:27:23 GMT
An AB pattern is one that alternates between two different states, State A and State B.
So while we have 4 categories here one of them alternates between being one thing the first time and another the second time, before going back to the first thing for the third time.
A bit like Left, Right, Left, Right,.... as you walk
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Post by Pinwig on May 12, 2024 20:44:52 GMT
Hurrah! I knew the comment about UK distribution was the key to that.
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Post by The Doctor on May 12, 2024 20:57:46 GMT
But...but why the AB structure? And what is A and what is B? I genuinely don't understand.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on May 12, 2024 21:31:58 GMT
Don't you see it, Doctor?!?! Your face is white on the left and black on the right. Phil's face is white ON THE RIGHT!!!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 12, 2024 21:34:28 GMT
The Order is Phil's and he is quite mad!
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Post by Benn on May 12, 2024 21:35:02 GMT
I don't think I like this game.
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Post by The Doctor on May 12, 2024 22:36:53 GMT
Don't you see it, Doctor?!?! Your face is white on the left and black on the right. Phil's face is white ON THE RIGHT!!! *beams down to a dead world after being tormented by stock footage of wars* -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 13, 2024 6:42:40 GMT
1984's Transformers Are Forty: Week 7 StarscreamFunction: Air Commander Japan: 21 tfwiki.net/wiki/Starscream_(G1)/toys#The_Transformerswww.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Starscream/starscream.htm"Conquest is made of the ashes of one's enemies." Seeks to replace Megatron as leader. Ruthless, cold-blooded, cruel... considers himself the most sophisticated and handsome of Decepticons. Believes Decepticons should rely more on guile and speed rather than brute force to defeat Autobots. Fastest flyer of group, can reach Mach 2.8 and an altitude of 52 miles. Shoots cluster bombs and null-rays which disrupts the flow of electricity. Very good at what he does, but sometimes overrates himself. Strength 7 Intelligence 7 Speed 9 Endurance 7 Rank 5 Courage 8 Firepower 7 Skill 7
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Post by that_bluestreak on May 13, 2024 17:07:00 GMT
I mean, its Starscream. One the one hand its a toy as beautiful and iconic as any old master, on the other, its a pointy stick that you lose the bits too and then it doesn't look as good any more.
But for all its wonkiness I love the old seeker sculpt and I am totally here for repaints.
Starscream is a great character, possibly the best of the entire franchise, and a far better foil for Megatron than OP.
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Post by Shockprowl on May 13, 2024 21:06:14 GMT
All time great. Toy, but particularly character. I had him as a boy, he's a Shockprowl household favourite, we love him in the cartoon- he's just great!
One question, Big Phil-
Why haven't you corrected the Techspecs?
It is well established that the Strike Planes are muddled up.
Starscream has an intelligence of 9! And a rank of 9!!!
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Post by legios on May 13, 2024 21:23:29 GMT
*looks at Starscream's portrayal in the various media* Nah. Nope. No way. Starscream does not have an Intelligence of 9 - not unless we are measuring it by 2ND Edition Advanced Dungeon's and Dragons scale - where average intelligence is 11...  Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 13, 2024 22:01:44 GMT
This gave me pause for thought. I'm sure this has been done elsewhere, but I took a photo of the screen when Bob Budianski put up his original hand-written Tech Spec table at TFN last year, and combined with the might of Phil's BBCode tablising macro we can see that conclusively, Skywarp has Starcream's original tech specs: | Str | Int | Spd | End | Rnk | Cou | Fir | Ski | Tot | | Starscream (BB original) | 7 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 67 | | Skywarp (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 67 | | Skywarp (BB original) | 7 | 4 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 54 | | Thundercracker (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 4 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 54 | | Thundercracker (BB original) | 7 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 55 | | Starscream (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 57 |
So, does that mean that Starscream was originally intended to be the sinister black and purple? The tech spec numbers Budianski wrote for Starscream ended up being given to Skywarp. The ones he wrote for Skywarp ended up being given to Thundercracker. The ones he wrote for Thundercracker ended up being given to Starscream. However there is the small additional matter of Thundercracker's original numbers being altered slightly before appearing on Starscream's box, which is a change I'd suggest was made before the mix up to sit Thundercracker a little better in the overall hierarchy. Looks like Skywarp was always supposed to be the dunce. |
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Post by The Huff on May 13, 2024 22:10:25 GMT
It always made more sense that the treacherous Starcream be the dark black and purple one, the slightly more human tolerant Thundercracker be the less threatening white and red and then Skywarp, who could dissappear from radars and seemingly teleport be the same blue colour as the sky he hides in.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 14, 2024 5:27:40 GMT
It always made more sense that the treacherous Starcream be the dark black and purple one, the slightly more human tolerant Thundercracker be the less threatening white and red and then Skywarp, who could dissappear from radars and seemingly teleport be the same blue colour as the sky he hides in. Have to disagree, I think stretching to a colour swap is a mad theory worthy of Phil. One reason I disagree is I think the poses on the box art look right for the characters. Starscream is posing with his fist in the air looking full of himself, screaming "I should be leader!" while Skywarp is skulking around as the sneakiest, and Thundercracker looks a bit uncertain of his cause. Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 14, 2024 6:18:51 GMT
But Martin.. follow the breadcrumbs.. clearly the box art colours are wrong as well!
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Post by Llama God on May 14, 2024 7:05:43 GMT
Quite right Mr Pinwig! Surprised it took that long for people to get There's 4 groups, 2 of which had already had 2 goes | Week | Subject | Round 1 | Round 2 | | 1 | Minibot | Bumblebee | Clifjumper | | 2 | 84 UK Car | Jazz | Sideswipe | | 3 | Decepticon | Soundwave & Buzzsaw | Starscream | | 4 | 84 non UK Autobot | Trailbreaker | Sunstreaker |
One of these groups has an A/B pattern to it depending which round we're doing Each group has 6 entries.... apart from the one you haven't seen yet at the end of rounds 3 and 6... The key to this is there were so many groups of 6 in 1984 and the two weren't a 5 were easily fixable. 1985 on the otherhand.... Yeah, there was no way I was going to figure this one out after a couple of glasses of wine at my parents'... |
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Post by The Huff on May 14, 2024 7:25:29 GMT
It always made more sense that the treacherous Starcream be the dark black and purple one, the slightly more human tolerant Thundercracker be the less threatening white and red and then Skywarp, who could dissappear from radars and seemingly teleport be the same blue colour as the sky he hides in. Have to disagree, I think stretching to a colour swap is a mad theory worthy of Phil. One reason I disagree is I think the poses on the box art look right for the characters. Starscream is posing with his fist in the air looking full of himself, screaming "I should be leader!" while Skywarp is skulking around as the sneakiest, and Thundercracker looks a bit uncertain of his cause. Martin Not saying that's what happened, just how I'd have done it if my name was Bob and Bob's name was Matt. Also, I've always thought Skywarp looked like he was planning something sneaky and devious on his box art. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 14, 2024 16:07:38 GMT
But Martin.. follow the breadcrumbs.. clearly the box art colours are wrong as well! The box art is never wrong. Um. Except for Bluestreak. Martin |
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Post by The Huff on May 14, 2024 16:56:00 GMT
But Martin.. follow the breadcrumbs.. clearly the box art colours are wrong as well! The box art is never wrong. Um. Except for Bluestreak. Martin And on the Throttlebots (displaying their incredible articulation right down to each individual finger bend) |
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Post by The Doctor on May 14, 2024 18:16:17 GMT
Grandus remains the ultimate box art depiction. Never bettered.
-Ralph
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Post by Cullen on May 15, 2024 14:55:45 GMT
Starscream is cool but Skywarp's the best of this mold yes?
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Post by Shockprowl on May 15, 2024 18:45:10 GMT
I need all three together. All three Strike Planes together does nostalgasmic things to me.
In my pants.
Fire on the Mountain is such a great episode for demonstration their interactions and rivalries.
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Post by pulsar on May 18, 2024 3:26:33 GMT
With all the tech specs mixups, was there a typo in Starscream’s motto? I always thought “over the ashes…” would have made more sense.
This was the first Decepticon toy I bought. Skywarp had the most interesting bio (teleportation!) but I liked that Starscream’s color scheme was more realistic. I didn't like that he had so many pieces. Dismantling the plane and then putting it back together as a robot felt like it didn’t quite fit the transformer concept.
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Post by The Doctor on May 18, 2024 8:45:14 GMT
Yeah. The strike plans are of historical importance but are rubbish toys.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 18, 2024 9:01:09 GMT
I wouldn't say rubbish, but suffer when compared to the rest of the releases.
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Post by The Doctor on May 18, 2024 9:07:02 GMT
I was very disappointed with Starscream back in the day. Hard to play with as bits kept fallinh off and it was easy to lose his boxing gloves.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 18, 2024 9:35:15 GMT
I don't think they're rubbish at all. The jet modes are superb and I really like the robots. They have a kind of grandiose majesty about them in comparison to the more rank and file Autobot cars. They look like they themselves feel superior to the Autobot underlings.
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