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Post by Pinwig on May 29, 2014 12:11:34 GMT
My copy will be arriving via the paperboy later today...
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Post by The Doctor on May 30, 2014 21:02:05 GMT
Some mad results in that dwm survey!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 30, 2014 21:21:05 GMT
That article is almost sixty pages long! Going to take a while to process. So where do you start with that then? The fact Day of the Doctor has usurped Caves in the number one slot?
My initial thought was that although I do love, love, love Pat Troughton's doc it's a bit sad to see that the only three Hartnells in the 60s top ten are the obvious three Dalek stories. Perhaps more gobsmacking is that Pertwee has just Inferno to show in the 70s top ten against the might of Lord Tom of Baker. I know Tom is THE doctor, but no Terror of the Autons? Daemons?
Hmm. I could get grumpy and say this is only a fair vote if you've actually seen/heard all the stories. How many ten year olds have skewed this overall with rampant pre-teen Matt Smith adulation?
Dear me I'm getting old and miserable.
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Post by blueshift on May 30, 2014 21:22:56 GMT
Oh man the results are out? Gah! I'd have picked up the issue if I'd have known!!
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Post by The Doctor on May 30, 2014 22:36:24 GMT
It just came out yesterday. I need to analyse the results more!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on May 31, 2014 9:09:31 GMT
Hmm. I could get grumpy and say this is only a fair vote if you've actually seen/heard all the stories. How many ten year olds have skewed this overall with rampant pre-teen Matt Smith adulation? They break it down by ages too after the main results, it is surprising how many classic stories are in the top ten for the young age bracket! I ran out first thing this morning to get my copy! |
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Post by The Doctor on May 31, 2014 9:11:42 GMT
I'm surprised The Waters of Mars placed so highly!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on May 31, 2014 9:20:24 GMT
I've never heard a word against it, it was a perfectly good, scary adventure!
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Post by legios on May 31, 2014 10:50:31 GMT
I wasn't hugely fond of "Waters of Mars", and then the Doctor delivered a short monologue which boiled down to "I have the power of life and death, no-one dies unless I say so". And my brain went "congratulations, you now sound like a vilian on your own show". Anyone who delivers what I refer to as the "Henry Bendix" line has stepped over the mark as far as I'm concerned. It made it hard for me to retain much sympathy for the Tennant Doctor to be honest.
And then you had someone committing suicide because they felt like continued life would damage their family...having lost someone close who struggled heavily with depression and had attempted suicide on several occasions the presentation of that made me somewhat uncomfortable. (There is one of Big Finish's Sapphire and Steel audios which was similarly uncomfortable for me).
On the other hand, I wouldn't say "Waters of Mars" was anywhere near as bad as Tennant's swansong. That made me want to throw things a the telly - but I has guests for the second part, and I saw the first on my mother's set so projectiles weren't really polite...
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on May 31, 2014 10:50:33 GMT
It's ok. I just don't usually see fans talk it up much, hence my confusion.
Shocked that Galaxy 4 dropped, what with an episode being recovered since the last survey.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 31, 2014 13:35:54 GMT
I think some of the drops are explained by the fact that there are more episodes being rated in this one, so that's just pushed loads down where new ones have come in higher.
Agree about Galaxy 4 though, airlock should only have improved opinions on that, it's great.
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Post by blueshift on May 31, 2014 13:37:23 GMT
Yeah, Gunfighters has gone up %-wise (not much thought!  ) but it has dropped several spots. I was really hoping for it to rise much higher! Oh well. |
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Post by Pinwig on May 31, 2014 13:50:46 GMT
Boo! Gunfighters is average at best and I'm not bowing to Transmasters peer pressure! La La La I'm not listening...
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Post by blueshift on May 31, 2014 13:54:30 GMT
What!?
TO THE SECURITY KITCHEN WITH YOU!
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Post by The Doctor on May 31, 2014 14:09:00 GMT
Gunfighters is pish.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 31, 2014 15:12:43 GMT
No! Not the Security Kitchen! anything but the Security Kitchen! I will not make magic mash potatoes for anyone!
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Post by KnightBeat on May 31, 2014 16:40:36 GMT
I wasn't hugely fond of "Waters of Mars", and then the Doctor delivered a short monologue which boiled down to "I have the power of life and death, no-one dies unless I say so". And my brain went "congratulations, you now sound like a vilian on your own show". Anyone who delivers what I refer to as the "Henry Bendix" line has stepped over the mark as far as I'm concerned. It made it hard for me to retain much sympathy for the Tennant Doctor to be honest. Isn't this his 'pride before the fall' moment? It shows The Doctor succumbing to Time Lord hubris and begin to buy into his own angry god hype, even to the point of challenging a fixed point event. It's only when Adelaide Brooke commits suicide that he realises what he is becoming and that he needs to change, physically as well as mentally. |
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Post by Pinwig on May 31, 2014 17:33:30 GMT
Gunfighters is pish. -Ralph And this bitterness is nothing to do with the fact it came 23 places higher than The Sensorites?  That bottom end looks weird to me. How is Love and Monsters better than Arc of Infinity or the Time Monster? The bottom four are probably about right, other than Rings of Akhaten should be bottom with Fear Her, but there is no way the Space Pirates would be down there if it existed. What an odd sentence that was to type. Don't get why Inferno is considered the best Pertwee story. I wouldn't say that. Liz Shaw is great, but for a definitive Pertwee you have to have Jo Grant in it. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 31, 2014 17:38:05 GMT
Inferno is considered the best Pertwee story BECAUSE IT'S F***ING BRILLIANT!
All right minded people think so!
We'll be round your house later to sort you out!
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Post by Pinwig on May 31, 2014 18:48:30 GMT
Yeah, you do that and I'll force you to watch the Space Museum so I can explain scene by scene why it's actually quite good.
And no one will be allowed any alcohol to ease the pain!
It is good, yes, even the eyepatch. But I'd still take the Silurians instead.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 31, 2014 18:51:28 GMT
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Post by blueshift on May 31, 2014 18:51:50 GMT
Yeah, you do that and I'll force you to watch the Space Museum so I can explain scene by scene why it's actually quite good. And no one will be allowed any alcohol to ease the pain! It is good, yes, even the eyepatch. But I'd still take the Silurians instead. The Space Museum part 1 is brilliant. The rest of it completely squanders the idea. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 31, 2014 20:17:40 GMT
I agree.
And Inferno is amazing. It should have been in the top 10 overall!!!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 31, 2014 20:46:11 GMT
The Space Museum part 1 is brilliant. The rest of it completely squanders the idea. Ah yes, but I still read Phil's blog after every episode so I know his weaknesses. If I need to defend myself I'm pulling out the Space Museum. Killer blow! Quote: "Right I can do this. In 25 minutes the Space Museum will be over, I'll never have to watch it again" |
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 31, 2014 21:29:50 GMT
Unfortunately events may prove otherwise on that one :-(
Just like it has with The Sensorites.
At some point I'm going to have to have a think as to when to stop the 50th anniversary rerun of the blog. And one of the two most popular options involves watching The Space Museum again.
It is pish, I don't even get episode 1.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 31, 2014 21:32:10 GMT
You'll probably also find similar sentiments expressed with The Space Pirates!
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Post by The Doctor on May 31, 2014 21:40:34 GMT
I have revised my opinion of The Space Pirates. It is better than The Invasion.
The Space Museum had a tops first episode. Then it goes a bit rubbish.
One day The Sensorites will have its day. Frank Skinner must keep mentioning it in every comment he makes about his upcoming role. For promoting The Sensorites he is a giant amongst men!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 31, 2014 21:45:53 GMT
WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Purely on the grounds it doesn't have Packer or Kevin Stoney in it The Space Pirates can't be better than the Invasion. Stop talking rot Burns.
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Post by The Doctor on May 31, 2014 21:50:35 GMT
I speak truth to power.
I've always struggled with The Invasion and on recently listening to the soundtrack release version I was finally able to put my finger on why: the Doctor doesn't do much and Pat often sounds bored, the Cybermen are barely in it and hardly do anything and only the bits where Mavic Chen shouts at Packer are good though they become tiresomely repetitive. Probably my least favourite Pat story.
Whereas The Space Pirates stands up to re-listening surprisingly well. The key is tuning in to the radio rental performance style of the actor playing General Hermack.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 31, 2014 21:57:45 GMT
You know he's Count Duckula's Butler?
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) but it has dropped several spots. I was really hoping for it to rise much higher! Oh well.
