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Post by The Doctor on May 5, 2018 11:39:29 GMT
While I find the change of direction in DWM to be 'in flux' it needs to have some features for younger readers. Any long running thing that just pitches towards older fans eventully dies. We call this 'GI Joe Syndrome'.
With the loss of DWA, there needs to be something for younger fans. The show is aimed at a wide audience, after all.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 5, 2018 11:58:26 GMT
Quite right, which is why I have a problem with the new time team as it's not representative of the wide audience.
I've a subs renewal due in 4 months. I also have several unread issues on the bedroom floor. One is finding one's self increasingly alienated by the magazine. It's all very well aiming for a younger readership but I'd put money on a large proportion of DWM's readership being older fans purely because it is a paper mag.
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Post by Pinwig on May 5, 2018 12:13:26 GMT
This is why I'm holding the rage in. I totally agree with both the above viewpoints, which makes it hard to argue either of them. What I do know at the moment though is that rather than the feeling of 'ooh, goodie, a new DWM' when it drops through the letter box, it's more, 'oh, what am I going to get annoyed by this time?'
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Post by The Doctor on May 5, 2018 14:42:49 GMT
The current issue has Pertwee on the cover so the older readership is still being catered to for some extent.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2018 21:29:53 GMT
If anyone happens to spot the last but one Essential Doctor Who edition kicking about in a Smiths still, the Time Travel one with the TARDIS on the front, I'd be most appreciative if you could bag it for me. I've just discovered that it isn't readily available online anywhere and it's nagging me that it's the only one I don't have.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2018 21:36:20 GMT
Will check local WHS. pretty sure Reading station had one last Friday, they had 6 or so different ones!
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Post by Pinwig on May 7, 2018 21:52:11 GMT
It'd be brilliant if you could check. I don't think I ever saw that one in my Smiths.
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 7, 2018 22:19:12 GMT
The Quest Is The Quest!
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 8, 2018 12:53:55 GMT
Secured in Kingston WHS
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Post by Philip Ayres on May 8, 2018 17:24:57 GMT
Some interesting reporting of the DWM Time Team story today (links to follow when I find them when home)
All of them present it as an issue in isolation rather than as part of growing dissatisfaction with the magazine and a feeling the older readership is being sidelined.
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Post by The Doctor on May 8, 2018 18:27:41 GMT
I don't see how a magazine which retains the comic strip (with the current story using supporting characters from the 8th Doctor era), runs articles on deleted scenes from decades old episodes and puts Pertwee (last on screen as the Doctor in 1993*) ON THE COVER is ignoring the older readership. Some articles aren't for me (I care not for cosplay at all and I'm not sure about the Time Team) but that's fine in a small print 84-page magazine.
A DW magazine should have something for everyone. The show came back to telly 13 years ago. The demographic for DW has shifted. A lot of the fan base will now be under 30. The official magazine should serve them too. It's not 1990 or 1996 or even 2005 any more. Older fans like myself must accept that we will sometimes have a 'get off our lawn' twitch. It is the natural way of things.
If folk don't like DWM, don't buy it. Some of the 'outrage' (not here) online is clearly from people WHO NEVER READ IT. Odd.
-Ralph
*Dimensions in Time
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Post by Pinwig on May 8, 2018 19:20:17 GMT
Phil is amazing. Quite amazing. I even forgive him inflicting THAT DVD on us. |
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Post by Pinwig on May 8, 2018 19:32:45 GMT
As said before, I totally see both points of view on this, however I realised today that I'd missed the intro page to the Time Team article. Having read the Say Hello To... bit I find myself more annoyed. For a start the Doc is right, the reason given for the reboot is complete nonsense, but more importantly - yes, the magazine needs to service a younger audience, absolutely, but there are twelve people on this panel and not one of them is over 26. How does that represent the readership?
I'm also wondering if there's an intent to theme the content now, like the first three articles in this issue basically all being about editing. Last month there were two articles about music back to back. I'm not sure I like that because it limits the diversity.
Perhaps it's because it's what I'm used to, but the ordering also seems unbalanced. The big interview should lead after the news, then the more indepth content. Having Andrew Pixley writing articles is clearly a massive, massive, plus, but it felt odd to me that this led the magazine content. It's quite a niche subject, as opposed to an interview with a TV celeb doing current work for the series with Big Finish.
I have to say the articles about the classic series also still feel very 'Hey you millenials! Did you know it used to be like this?!' the article on new faces is a good example of that.
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Post by The Doctor on May 9, 2018 18:21:42 GMT
Read the current DWM Special 'In the Studio'. Does what it says on the tin as it describes the studios the show has been made in between 1963 and 2018. Fab Special: you really do get a feel of the show encompassing how TV production has evolved over the last 55 years. Worth picking up.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 29, 2018 19:10:32 GMT
Pleased to see 'Tom Baker's final interview' lasted all of 25 issues then...
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Post by The Doctor on May 29, 2018 19:43:57 GMT
Ralph is sad to see that there is no funny aside in the DWM indicia this month. Of all the changes this is the one that has fucked me off the most.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on May 29, 2018 19:51:50 GMT
The contributors' pictures made me think I was reading SFX. On the plus side - no cosplay nonsense.
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Post by The Doctor on May 30, 2018 7:11:49 GMT
The contributors' pictures made me think I was reading SFX. On the plus side - no cosplay nonsense. The letters page section about the New Time Team will wind up some readers further, I suspect. -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 13, 2018 19:03:27 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 10, 2018 12:26:38 GMT
The latest DWM Special has arrived. I usually pick and choose with the Specials but madly the combined sub for the regular issues and Specials is *cheaper* than the sub just for the regular issues!!!
This one is about Fandom. This could be a great or terrible read...
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2018 9:14:28 GMT
Oh ffs the next version of DWM will be in 3 versions but the WH Smiths one will have extra gubbins not in subscriber version. Two fingered salute right there.
All the DW news today makes me angry!!!
*horn of Rassilon sound*
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Aug 31, 2018 19:09:51 GMT
I'm sure i've seen something like this in a Lew Stringer comic.
Group of Dr Who badies living together in a tower block. Somewhere nearby a lift shaft a group are sat down. They hear the lift coming up & the doors open. Then thud, thud thud.
Then they hear a Dalek say "Elevate!"
"I guess the lifts are broken again" - shows the lift stopped an inch below the floor level
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 19, 2018 17:34:51 GMT
New DWM day though pretty fucked off that susbscribers not given the option for the deluxe edition: www.doctorwhonews.net/2018/09/doctor-who-magazine-530.htmlI'd rather have that than 'collectable' line-free covers. The Magazines are always damaged in the post* anyway so collectable as mud. -Ralph *I subscribe for cost savings. |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 19, 2018 20:40:47 GMT
Indeed. That's why I feel the art cards in sub copies of the Meg are pointless. They're always creased or torn.
I get the impression with this DWM, Smiths have stumped up for a promotional version. The actual mag is the same, it just has a supplement and posters. Which will inevitably be new series oriented, so I don't really care.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 19, 2018 20:43:17 GMT
And a CD, doesn't it??
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 19, 2018 21:10:28 GMT
Loads of tat. All promo guff.
If I didn't already have the magazine I might have stumped up the extra four quid, but it isn't worth a tenner.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 19, 2018 21:53:50 GMT
The extra four quid is for a supplement, posters, cd and access to four downloads. That seems quite reasonable for an extra four pounds.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 19, 2018 22:24:48 GMT
But for a tenner when you already have the mag?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 20, 2018 6:40:55 GMT
Sorry I meant that if a tenner is charged for the 'deluxe edition' then the £4 higher asking price over the regular edition seems justified given the extra gubbins thrown in.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Sept 20, 2018 9:37:33 GMT
Nice that Who is felt to be still popular enough that stores feel the need to do something like this though.
I assume as it's a promotional thing with Smiths, they can't offer it on their own
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