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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 2, 2020 11:45:47 GMT
I could see what he was trying to do do and I think the ideas presented were quite nice..... just not sure they fitted in what we saw on screen with The Master & The Cybermen.
Perhaps a slow steadier drip drip drip over the course of the season as memories gets unlocked after meeting the other Doctor, leading to a climax story that's more relevant to the revelation?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2020 12:35:31 GMT
Indeed. The ideas are fine. Just the way they were relayed was piss poor drama. Having your lead character mostly doing nothing and hanging around gawping while another character infodumps endless exposition is just boring as fook to watch. How much more exciting it would have been to find this out bit by bit (like a proper mystery) with the Doctor making the final revelation rather than having her stand around doing sod all while someone else tells her about it.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2020 13:47:35 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 2, 2020 22:04:14 GMT
I like the fact that the Captain Jack cameo really was just a cameo. Unexplained, drops in, pisses off, doesn't even see the Doctor. Thinking about that made me laugh.
Last night's ep would need hours to deconstruct and I can't be bothered now. You have to admire Chibnall's audacity with telling an origin story though. This has been a core mystery in the series since the start and RTD and the Moff wouldn't touch that, but Chibs blazes in and blows the whole thing wide open just so he can show clips from the Brain of Morbius. He's got balls. Compared to the grand scale of the previous big post-2005 story arcs this one was pretty straightforward. Hats off for that, clean, simple and drawing together a few icons. Cybermen were rubbish though. Don't think we've seen Cybermen that feel right since Silver Nemesis.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 2, 2020 22:23:48 GMT
And even then their costumes were pish - darker bodysuits with chromed armour? a nightmare to light!
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 2, 2020 22:43:28 GMT
Anyway, now I've got my BBC up and running again I've been playing DOCTOR WHO: THE FIRST ADVENTURE for the first time in decades. The Doctor has 15 regenerations in that, so Chibbers is talking out of his botty.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2020 23:28:59 GMT
And even then their costumes were pish - darker bodysuits with chromed armour? a nightmare to light! BAD PHIL! We do not impune the glory of Silly Nemesis!!! I disagree with Pinwig slightly. The only time the Cybermen have felt right to me since Silly Nemesis was in World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls. -Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2020 23:31:22 GMT
Anyway, now I've got my BBC up and running again I've been playing DOCTOR WHO: THE FIRST ADVENTURE for the first time in decades. The Doctor has 15 regenerations in that, so Chibbers is talking out of his botty. Eleven had that line in Sarah Jane when he said he had 400 odd regenerations. A joke line or perhaps old memories briefly popping to the surface? As I said, I don't mind the Doctor's origin tale at all. Interesting things can be done with it. It was just the way it was done I thought was poor drama. I do prefer the looms though. Not a revelation that the Time Lords were dicks though. They've always been twats! I always found Ten's crying over them unintentionally hilarious. -Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 4, 2020 9:13:21 GMT
And even then their costumes were pish - darker bodysuits with chromed armour? a nightmare to light! BAD PHIL! We do not impune the glory of Silly Nemesis!!! Oh yes we do because: A) The Cybermen costumes are poor, see above. The Bling Cybermen are impossible to light properly as the story repeatedly shows. B) The Cybermen firework guns are rubbish, the Earthshock-Attack guns are far far better. Phil HATES Firework guns. C) The story itself is a knock off of the far superior Remembrance of the Daleks. It's decent enough by itself but doing the same "Doctor uses a Gallifrey super weapon to set a trap for an old enemey" plot TWICE in THREE stories is pushing it rather! I have made these points before and will continue to stand by them.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 4, 2020 9:15:55 GMT
Interesting watching Phil Morris giving Sunday's Who a good slagging, he wasn't at all happy with the what they did to the Doctor's backstory.
Whereas the more I think about it, the happier I get. Nothing wrong with that bit at all, it is - as we said above - the rest of the story that was the problem with the Master & Cybermen
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 4, 2020 9:50:56 GMT
A competent writer could make that backstory interesting, but we have Chibbers.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 4, 2020 10:20:32 GMT
Interesting watching Phil Morris giving Sunday's Who a good slagging, he wasn't at all happy with the what they did to the Doctor's backstory. Whereas the more I think about it, the happier I get. Nothing wrong with that bit at all, it is - as we said above - the rest of the story that was the problem with the Master & Cybermen Where can one see this?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 4, 2020 11:18:01 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 4, 2020 16:38:10 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 6, 2020 7:15:21 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Mar 6, 2020 9:04:21 GMT
Interesting watching Phil Morris giving Sunday's Who a good slagging, he wasn't at all happy with the what they did to the Doctor's backstory. Whereas the more I think about it, the happier I get. Nothing wrong with that bit at all, it is - as we said above - the rest of the story that was the problem with the Master & Cybermen I'm on the 'this backstory is so piss-poor it makes everything worse' crowd. This post says it better than I ever could: www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-timeless-child-review/
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 6, 2020 19:19:32 GMT
It’s as if the Cartmel Masterplan fucked the Leekley Bible and then gave the illegitimate child away to Ian Levine to foster. That is possibly the funniest thing I've read for weeks. And also the most frightening.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 10, 2020 17:52:16 GMT
The +7 ratings for the series finale and season average are in. Makes for grim reading. m.doctorwhonews.net/2020/03/timeless-child-official-ratings.htmlThere will be a small uptick when all the +28 figures come in but there's no getting around s12 being the lowest rated series since 1989. Sad. Had to happen at some point. I quite enjoyed some of s12 but the show is clearly not connecting with audiences. -Ralph
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 10, 2020 21:24:01 GMT
Not great, and fairly unsurprising given how dull the finale was, but the fact it received a 21.5% share of the total TV audience is reassuring, suggesting there were other factors at play. The weather and Coronavirus fears may have been factors.
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 10, 2020 22:19:42 GMT
Forget Captain Jack. The next series should have a Mickey Smith appearance.
"So Doctor, why do you look like Rose Tyler now?"
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 12, 2020 10:45:02 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 14, 2020 7:05:31 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 14, 2020 9:19:07 GMT
I AM THE LEADER NOW.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2020 14:20:35 GMT
THE FACELESS ONES blu ray is here!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 17, 2020 15:20:39 GMT
That's all seven episodes of Ambassadors of DEATH now sitting in Blogspot on timed release for the next 7 Saturdays Just In Case something happens to me. Will try to get Inferno done too.
Rather proud of AoD. Effectively it's had a third pass as I had some new information come to light after I finished it. It's also one of the best rounds of the identify the extras game that I've played.....
.....closely followed by Inferno and it's MANY lab technicians. And doing that in turn revealed a great little piece of subtlety with the extras casting that I'd neither spotted or seen remarked on before.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2020 11:55:17 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 18, 2020 22:52:18 GMT
That links to Ambassadors?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2020 23:46:44 GMT
It will do from Saturday, it's the link for the main page of the Fifty Years Blog
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 21, 2020 7:13:34 GMT
"In a few minutes we shall know the answer to the question that has been occupying the minds of everyone here at Space Control since Mars Probe 7 took off on its return journey from the red planet nearly eight months ago. What has happened to astronauts Frank Michaels and Joe Lefee? Communications remained perfect on the long outward journey to the red planet and throughout the difficult landing. For a full twelve hours they sent back pictures and reports from the surface of Mars. Both then seemed in perfect health, then silence!" This week on Fifty Years of Doctor Who we're watching episode 265 The Ambassadors of Death: Episode One 50yearsdoctorwho.blogspot.com/2020/03/265-ambassadors-of-death-episode-one.htmland, just in case, the rest of the season is cued up and ready to release every Saturday at 50yearsdoctorwho.blogspot.com/
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 21, 2020 13:36:52 GMT
THE FACELESS ONES blu ray is here! -Ralph Whacked it in the player and starting with the Hadoke commentary on the surviving episodes. Fab stuff. -Ralph
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