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Post by The Doctor on Jun 20, 2024 21:38:24 GMT
Buggering Sutekh is better than buggering Dakeks.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 20, 2024 22:15:53 GMT
Depends on the size of the plunger! Uuuhhhmmnnggh.
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 21, 2024 19:49:06 GMT
I do hope this version is an extra on the eventual S13 BR set.
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Post by primenova on Jun 21, 2024 20:09:24 GMT
Just watched it & did look good
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 21, 2024 21:00:18 GMT
I do hope this version is an extra on the eventual S13 BR set. Oh ho ho no. You know full well they'll rinse folk with this as a standalone dvd/blu ray/steelbook first! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 21, 2024 23:55:39 GMT
Empire of Dust: Well, um, well,er...that was shite.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2024 1:04:22 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2024 1:04:41 GMT
Is that a spoiler for ep 7 or 8 Phil? 8 |
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Post by Llama God on Jun 22, 2024 9:18:21 GMT
Well...
I wouldn't go so far as to say that that was shite - not for me, anyway. The solution to defeating Sutekh was very hand-wavey, but also very typical of RTD - just look at Parting of the Ways, Doomsday, Last of the Timelords (*especially* Last of the Timelords), Journey's End - you can't accuse any of them of being particularly logical, let alone sensible. So I'll give it a pass from that point of view.
I also really liked the reveal of who Ruby's mother was - she wasn't actually anyone "special". She was just special because of how special she was to Ruby. Which is nice and grounded. And is much better than the reveal that she was someone super special with lots of history. I definitely preferred that.
I guess if there was a downside to the episode it's that there wasn't much in the way of tension. As soon as they "killed" Ruby's mum it was obvious that the Doctor was going to save them all. I mean I was expecting a few casualties, for sure, there usually is. But that just signposted that everyone would be fine.
But other than that, I enjoyed it. Although I am glad I didn't pay to go to the cinema.
Now the big question is... who is Mrs Flood? She does call the Doctor a "clever boy" (or something like that), so could she be... Clara?
No. She could not.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 22, 2024 9:23:16 GMT
Been wearing her clothes though. though she closed last night wearing Romana's Ribos Operation outfit |
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Post by blueshift on Jun 22, 2024 10:20:01 GMT
I really liked it, very RTD
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 22, 2024 13:11:35 GMT
Poorest episode since the early 80's. Writing was atrocious. What happened to RTD??
Come back, Chibnall. All is forgiven!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 22, 2024 13:32:02 GMT
There were one or two bits I thought were OK - the scene with the spoon lady, and the decision taken with Ruby's mum - but it was mostly terrible, because within minutes of the episode beginning, enough people had been killed to make it obvious everyone was coming back, including soldier guy from last week, who I liked and worried about when he went to look over there and whose death was done really well.
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Post by Jim on Jun 22, 2024 17:10:00 GMT
I thought that was fine!
I learnt long ago to go into DW season finales with low expectations when it comes to plot logic, especially with RTD involved. I do agree a bit on the lack of peril, though.
I liked that they went where Star Wars (and in particular that hack Abrams) chickened out of by making Ruby's mother nobody in particular. That was the best possible choice.
I rarely revisit these kinds of episode anyway, and this season gave us 73 yards and Dot and Bubble so I can forgive a lot! |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 22, 2024 21:10:04 GMT
Spoilers for Empire of Death.
This series has been all about the riddles and puzzles. Mrs Flood must have some kind of twist rather than a straight reveal. So she's wearing Clara's clothes and using her catchphrase, which makes us think Clara, but now we have Romana. It's like she's deliberately dressing like the Doctor's companions (which incidentally is a Rani trait), so she knows who they are and who he is. She's always sinister though, so I wouldn't go for Clara or Romana. It's done in a provocative way, as is the fourth wall breaking. She's goading the viewer directly. For the twists we've had this season the Rani almost seems too obvious now.
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 22, 2024 21:15:25 GMT
Ah, I just caught up with Phil's theory from last week. That would also explain why Moffat was saying he's been privvy to reading the script for next season's finale.
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Post by primenova on Jun 23, 2024 16:48:46 GMT
I've just finished watching the bbc3 Wales UFO 4 part series. Could RTD really be trying to film UFO's in Wales & using the Dr Who film crew to try to catch them - so explaining the some bad episodes he does. I dont know if RTD follows the Wales UFO stuff
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Post by legios on Jun 23, 2024 18:17:01 GMT
Ah well. I guess 6 really enjoyable episodes, one episode of very competent and atmospheric set-up, and a last episode of decidedly mixed enjoyability is still pretty good going really. Compared to a number of seasons of New Doctor Who I'd say that New New Doctor Who(*) didn't do too badly at all in honesty.
I thought some of it was reasonably emotionally satisfying, but a lot of the bits that were kind of felt like they weren't really related to the story that filled in the rest of the episode. (And lets be honest, most of the episode was essentially filler). I thought everyone in the cast was putting in a fair shift - even folk who weren't really given anything to actually do. A shame that the plot fell back on Davies tendency to believe that Fantasy equates to "random bull*&^ go" in terms of story mechanics, making the plot feel like just a string of events that happen "because" and which didn't feel it was meaningfully connected to the emotional catharsis the script was going for.
Ah well, I still got a kids adventure-comedy, gothic horror, modern ghost story, Outer-Limitsesque social commentary, techno horror all delivered in the same season. Some good variety of genres, and some good individual stories.
Can we just stop doing "Season Arc Plot" nonsense yet? They are rarely very good when Doctor Who does them, and they rarely actually do anything to improve the stories that end up strung along them. Just give me a series of different adventures across the run of the season, like Doctor Who used to do for a fair proportion of its run, and that'd be fine by me.
Karl
* - It is a shame that there isn't a simpler term we can use to distinguish the various series. If we could use royal era's, like Rider shows do we'd have the equivalent of "Showa Doctor Who", "Heishi Doctor Who" and "Reiwa Doctor Who" or something like that. Unfortunately we can't do that, because the first two versions of Doctor Who would both be "Elizabethan Doctor Who". Which wouldn't be at all clear. Dangnabit.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 23, 2024 18:44:23 GMT
Is there a Sutekh in the Tennant Tardis too? |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2024 18:57:16 GMT
Mrs Ralph bailed on Who after the first Chibnall series. She came back for the Tennant Specials and Gatwa. She has really liked all of this series. I deliberately did not tell her what I thought of the finale before she watched it. She was...not impressed, to put it mildly!  -Ralph |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 23, 2024 19:33:46 GMT
Do we think the episode was always that long and ended like that or was the ending added on to account for someone's employment choices? |
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Post by legios on Jun 23, 2024 20:00:55 GMT
Mrs Ralph bailed on Who after the first Chibnall series. She came back for the Tennant Specials and Gatwa. She has really liked all of this series. I deliberately did not tell her what I thought of the finale before she watched it. She was...not impressed, to put it mildly! -Ralph I'll be interested to find out on Friday what my sister thought of it. She has very much enjoyed the rest of the season so far, after coming very close to giving up on the show entirely over the course of the Chibnall seasons. (She was very fond of Jodie Whitaker in the role, but like me didn't think that the material she had to work with was particularly great). Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 23, 2024 22:24:38 GMT
Chibnall's tenure was deeply flawed but I did really like the end of his run: the pandemic era produced episodes. Much more fun.
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Jun 24, 2024 7:23:34 GMT
Is there a Sutekh in the Tennant Tardis too?
As RTD states in either Unleashed or the commentary (I forget which, it's been a hectic weekend) he wanted with Sutekh's demise in the time vortex to show that he was truly, finally, completely dead. So I'd say "no".
Until someone else wants to bring Sutekh back.
So... maybe. Depends on who you're asking and when. And why are you asking such difficult questions, anyway..?
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Post by blueshift on Jun 24, 2024 12:11:07 GMT
Chibnall's tenure was deeply flawed but I did really like the end of his run: the pandemic era produced episodes. Much more fun. -Ralph Flux was a mess and look, Legend of the Sea Devils... |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 24, 2024 12:22:02 GMT
I greatly enjoyed Flux, Eve of the Daleks and The Power of the Doctor. I can't defend Leg End of the Sea Devils though.
Flux was just the right kind of fast-paced daft nonsense I needed during a pandemic. I also loved the serial element.
While I have enjoyed some of the most current series it's the first time I have got to the end of a run and thought: "Maybe Doctor Who has had its time." It's an odd (and unexpected) feeling to have.
I only really liked 3 episodes out of this run. It's feeling tired.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 24, 2024 18:39:07 GMT
I think I'd be hard pressed to name three I really liked. I'm trying, I really am. I want to be wrapped up in it and loving it like I did the Tennant trio. Those were just awesome. Maybe I'll give this season a second watch and try again.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 26, 2024 22:02:31 GMT
So, Sutekh was clinging to the outside of The TARDIS ever since that fourth Doctor epic? |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 26, 2024 22:25:02 GMT
I think the insinuation is he was inside.
But it's best to not get us started on this one.....
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 26, 2024 22:25:41 GMT
Buggering Sutekh is better than buggering Dakeks. -Ralph ? |
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