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Post by Bogatan on Nov 6, 2012 21:03:19 GMT
Remastered TNG started on SyFy last night. Got to say it looks good.
It now looks on a full HD 42 inch screen how I remembered it on tiny 14 inch analogue TV, rather than the horribly grainy, fuzzy mess it has looked on modern TV the last few times I have caught episodes.
It even made Encounter at Farpoint engrossing for the first time in nearly 2 decades.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 6, 2012 21:22:59 GMT
Oooo. I did not know it was being broadcast. Hadn't expected that until the Blu-Rays had been out for a while.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 6, 2012 21:31:49 GMT
I was surprised to see it would be broadcast before the bluray release, but I suppose the best way to sell the blurays is for people to see the quality of the remaster. And in the long run getting TNG back in constant rotation on TV like it was 10 years ago will eventually bring in plenty of money to justify the work.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 6, 2012 21:35:46 GMT
Indeed. Only snag I can see is that there will be big gaps between seasons. S2 and S3 are still being worked on and the team behind it don't anticipate getting to S7 until 2015. But yes by the time it's done having TNG be a regular TV feature will be much more likely and extend its life. At the moment, the clapped out SD prints make the show look very dated.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Nov 6, 2012 21:46:07 GMT
When I heard they would show it I expected it to be shown weekly which would probably have allowed them to show it continuously as each season was remastered, instead its on daily meaning it'll be done in 5 weeks.
Still anything is better than the SD print, Sky and before them CBS were still showing it this year and it was embarrassingly poor.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 6, 2012 21:59:10 GMT
Not the first time dodgy prints have done the rounds. On their first run from 1990, BBC2 initially showed mono prints from the pilot up until 'Family' (the Beeb having started broadcasting most shows in stereo 2 years previously). When Sky first had the rights they bought the Beeb's mono prints. For a good while the only way to hear the show properly was to buy the VHS tapes!
There could have been perfectly decent remastered SD prints out years ago, but it's only recently that the rights holders have decided to actually spend any money on keeping the shows in decent nick.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 9, 2012 19:10:24 GMT
ST VI on Film 4. David Warner doesn't only do sci-fi you know....
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Post by Stomski on Nov 13, 2012 10:24:10 GMT
I did enjoy McCoy's cameo at the end of S1E1 of TNG. These HD showings are giving me an excuse to finally watch the series entirely, I've only seen bits and bobs in the past.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 13, 2012 10:49:07 GMT
Enterprise is getting a Blu-Ray release next year.
I hope DS9 and Voyager get the same treatment TNG is getting rather than being slapped on disc when their time comes for a HD release. I imagine that will depend on how TNG sells and how many TV markets want to buy the HD copies as wel.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 13, 2012 17:29:28 GMT
I'm increasingly umming and arring about getting a blu-ray player for these. If it wasn't for them it would be a definite no.
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Post by legios on Nov 13, 2012 20:44:52 GMT
I could be persuaded by a properly remastered version of DS9 in HD. Although it would still take some persuasion that might have a strong influence.
Four episodes left of the final season, about to start my voyage through the far reaches of DS9 tomorrow evening. On the one hand I am looking forward to it, but on the other the last two seasons have been so good that I almost don't want to have to say goodbye to Dukat, Damar, Sisko et al.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 17, 2012 9:03:49 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 17, 2012 18:47:08 GMT
Sounds interesting!
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Post by Toph on Nov 18, 2012 5:39:38 GMT
Hmm. Visually, this is a mixed bag. There are some things that don't seem like a logical evolution from where we last saw things.
I don't like their Enterprise design. I understand they want her to be smaller and more militeristic, and that "this isn;t your father's starfleet," but it doesn't jive at all with where Starfleet warships were heading.
All the enterprises we've seen to date are a natural evolution of the previous, while looking drastically different. This serie's enetrprise doesn't look like it belongs in a trek universe. It feels much more like a generic background ship from some other less defined animated space saga.
Weapons feel this way, as well.
That said, I *do* like the BSG Enterprise concept. *THAT* feels more like where Starfleet was going post First Contact/DS9. It's militeristic, feels small and cramped, and feels like it would be old and outdated by then, all at the same time.
She looks like a tough little ship, that still feels like a starfleet vessel. The hammerhead just feels large, slow and clumbsy, and an easy target.
The uniforms, I like the direction. It has a nice blend of TOS, movies, and TNG. However, switching the color pallet back to TOS doesn't make any sense in terms of evolution of the franchise.
They seem to be trying to capture TOS through rose colored glasses, more than trying to capture a logical progression of the ST universe, further down the line.
But I like the characters, and I especially like Donell. While the decision to revert to TOS colors seems to be more nostalgia based than realistic, I can't argue that red flatters her a *lot.*
This is a mixed bag.
I like some of their ideas, but don't like others.
I remember when this series was first announced... it was supossed to be like the original Clone Wars, and would be 2 minute wepisodes (lame).
I've wanted a really good Trek animated series for years, and think it could do decently.
Maybe the Hub could get it? Especially since Hasbro now has the Trek toy lisence?
Always thought a series about Starfleet Academy could make a pretty strong subject for an animated series.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 18, 2012 14:50:35 GMT
It's an interesting look into what might have been and as it didn't get near full production it is hard to judge as many things would probably have changed. Oh well.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 18, 2012 16:38:55 GMT
Interesting indeed. As a franchise, Star trek has always been good to us when it comes to letting us know about cancelled projects.
From this, to Star Trek II (Most of which was recycled into the first two seasons of TNG), to the series they wanted to do with Sulu as captain of the Excelsior (Supossedly it never got passed talks, because he turned it down feeling he was too old and thought no one would care).
I like a lot of this project, even if I disagree with some of their choices. I would definately have watched it.
On a side note, I do wish they would try a new TV series. With the right channel (Syfy maybe?), It would probably do a lot better than if it was thrown on network TV again, like when it was on UPN.
Always thought that Sulu and the Excelsior would have been a great series. Also felt that a series about the enterprise-B would have likewise been great.
And always felt that Riker could have carried a series as Captain.
But, I think going further into the future (Like this animated series would have), or a series set during the movies that bridges the gaps between Star Trek VI, and TNG would probably be the best setting.
'cause, unless they went back to a modified TNG formula (TNG's focus on stand-alone adventures, with Enterprise's stronger between episode continuity), I think they've done just about everything they can do in the post DS9/Voyager timeline.
A movie setting would bring the galaxy back to being unexplored. Cardassians were encountered for the first time in this era. Many "common" species were. And another time jump opens up more possibilities, with changing relations and boundaries (Though I don't think the federation and romulans would have had a war, personally).
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 21, 2012 20:04:45 GMT
Such a great piece of music. Sums up proper Star Trek in a nutshell:
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 21, 2012 20:20:47 GMT
Still my favourite piece of music from any film. Works so well on its own.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 22, 2012 1:00:52 GMT
Not beimng able to do youtube, I know not what those are.
But to throw my two cents in... my favorite two pieces in trek are:
The second (enhanced) theme for DS9
The main theme for Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
Honorable mentions, Voyager theme (I still think Voyager had the most beautiful opening sequence), and Enterprise theme.
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Post by Stomski on Nov 22, 2012 10:35:32 GMT
Man there's a lot of Wesley in this first batch of episodes of TNG-S1  |
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Post by Jim on Nov 27, 2012 21:04:49 GMT
There's some good music in the Star Trek II OST as well, the usual Hornerisms aside. The best recording I have of the end credits / suite from that is from an SF compilation that was free on SFX magazine in the 90s; the official one conducted by Horner is a bit limp in comparison. It is nice to have the anniversary edition CD with the Spock narration though.
I have long been fond of the Star Trek VI OST, very moody.
More recently I bought the CD for The Best of Both Worlds. I'm not sure it works well as stand-alone music but when you're familiar with the source (as is so often the case with film / TV music) there are some hair-on-end pieces. The recording quality isn't great though.
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Post by legios on Nov 27, 2012 21:16:25 GMT
I have a lot of time for the music score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. There is some wonderfully imposing tracks which sell the idea of space as vast, V'Ger as an incalculably vast presence and a great riff for the Klingon cruisers.
It is somewhat overlooked, but I remember hearing it in the cinema back in the day and I think it was one of the things that introduced me to how memorable a film score can be.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 27, 2012 21:51:58 GMT
Jerry Goldsmith was a genius who should be as well known to the public as the likes of John Williams or John Barry.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Nov 27, 2012 22:14:39 GMT
Star Trek does have a pretty good hit rate when it comes to music; at least, up until Voyager. While I've never listened to the full score, the opening theme for First Contact I have on some random soundtrack album is a quite nice extension of the TNG theme.
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Post by Toph on Nov 27, 2012 22:14:58 GMT
I have a lot of time for the music score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. There is some wonderfully imposing tracks which sell the idea of space as vast, V'Ger as an incalculably vast presence and a great riff for the Klingon cruisers. It is somewhat overlooked, but I remember hearing it in the cinema back in the day and I think it was one of the things that introduced me to how memorable a film score can be. Karl I think The Motion Picture is underrated and unfairly bashed way more than it deserves. I couldn't stand it when I was a kid, because I thought it was just soooooo boring. But upon viewing it as an adult, I found it to be very engaging and interesting. Not without it's problems, and it certainly isn't one of the best Trek movies, but it's better than all the TNG movies (Minus First Contact) |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 27, 2012 22:18:51 GMT
Always enjoyed it, from when I saw the TV premiere when I was ickle. Actually, the first 6 Trek films are magical for me and form my favourite series of films (even more so than the likes of the original Star Wars trilogy). The TNG films are ok and First Contact is great tosh and I can find things to enjoy in each of them but they don't hold a candle to the original series cast films. They never caught the spirit of the TNG show due to the needs to bend the characters/format to fit action/adventure movie structures ie each film had to end with a buff Picard punching the villain. When the series did that it was meant to be a joke.
I ignore the 11th film and will be passing on the 12th. No interest in it.
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Post by Jim on Nov 27, 2012 22:29:51 GMT
I actively ignore everything from 10 on; Nemesis was a dreadful hotchpotch, bad fanfiction given a high budget, that actively undermines what came before. The 11th is a vapid, backward-looking-with-a-modern-sheen husk of a movie that gets me worked up even thinking about how well received it was. Ugh.
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 28, 2012 9:29:24 GMT
The Motion Picture is magnificent and blew me away as a child.
I did enjoy 11 though. I thought it was a clever way to 're-start' a different series. I just hated the goofy jokes in it. Scotty's in particular. And Kirk would NEVER slap Spock on the shoulder! Take out the goof, and I feel there's hope for a good series- IF THE STORY IS GOOD! The characters need to mature in 12. They (writers/actors) need to get the chemistry between Kirk and Spock right, that's essential, and cannot be forced.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 28, 2012 17:51:59 GMT
I just don't see how an alternate timeline version of the 60's characters is in any way an exciting and forward looking way to keep the series going. Utterly pointless. The scripting also sucked all of the intelligence out of the concept. Never before has Star Trek been so dumb.
But the original episodes and films still all exist and if I want new adventures in the proper 23rd and 24th Centuries, Edinburger Central Library gets in all the novels so still plenty for me to enjoy when I get my fix of Trek.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 28, 2012 18:00:07 GMT
I quite enjoyed the new film as a bit of fun but do wish they'd learnt from Enterprise and moved forwards instead of back again.
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