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Post by Jim on Nov 28, 2012 18:50:03 GMT
Personally, I find Enterprise was under-rated, I quite enjoyed what I saw. The movie also loses points for making an easy (bad) joke at the expense of a predecessor. Not classy.
Are the modern novels set post-Voyager worth a look? There seem to be a lot of them and I wouldn't have a clue where to start, but I'd be curious to see how things play out in a post-Dominion War Federation.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 28, 2012 18:52:38 GMT
How much did you see? It started ok-ish but went down hill. I felt it was strongest during the season long Xindi story in Season 3, but season 4.... dear oh dear.
Ralph is your man to advise you on ST novels...
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 28, 2012 19:07:05 GMT
Your best bet is the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy by David Mack and the epilogue book Star Trek: A Singular Destiny by Keith R. A. DeCandido. They got me back into the books again after a long time way. All are excellent reads with real tension and interesting ways of pushing the TNG era characters on. They lead on from material in earlier books but can be read and fully understood on their own. I know this as I had not read the books that came before at the time.
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Nov 28, 2012 19:14:53 GMT
How much did you see? It started ok-ish but went down hill. I felt it was strongest during the season long Xindi story in Season 3, but season 4.... dear oh dear. I saw all of season 1 and a tiny little bit of season 2 and about half of the season 3 opener. Funny, I'd heard from others that season 4 showed a lot of promise and they were quite disappointed it was cancelled at that point. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 28, 2012 19:17:10 GMT
Your best bet is the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy by David Mack and the epilogue book Star Trek: A Singular Destiny by Keith R. A. DeCandido. They got me back into the books again after a long time way. All are excellent reads with real tension and interesting ways of pushing the TNG era characters on. They lead on from material in earlier books but can be read and fully understood on their own. I know this as I had not read the books that came before at the time. Thanks, it shall go on the list! |
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 28, 2012 19:17:26 GMT
What I saw of season 4 was utter fanwank.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Nov 28, 2012 19:57:29 GMT
Funny... Enterprise didn't start becoming interesting to me until they got finished with the temporal coldwar stuff.
While I had no problem with the Xindi themselves, and had no issues with us never hearing about such an important villain before (Times change. There are kids today who've barily ever heard of the Soviet Union, if at all), I really did not like the suliban (Or however they spell it), and all the time travel stuff.
I thought the Xindi would have played out a *lot* stronger without those elements.
A bad first encounter leading to a small human/xindi war that was egged on by the reptiles, and ultimately leading to the creation of the Prime Directive, I think would have been a much stronger storyline.
Seasons four and five, the only things I didn't really like were the mirror universe episodes. (But then, I can't stand the concept of evil mirror universes).
Here's why... I couldn't really stand the vulcan chick. She seemed like an even less compelling Seven of Nine (And I didn't find Seven terribly compelling at all). But by season four, I thought they really kicked in with her. The emotion junky aspect was a little too drawn out, but otherwise she started to become more than the "sexy alien" trope.
Personally feel by the end of season three, Enterprise finally found it's footing, and finally figured out what it's identity was. I think the Trek charm also finally kicked in (Which as I mentioned earlier somehwre being that usually by season 3, the writers and actors have figured out the characters, and have started to develope the chemistry with one another).
Also, I find Enterprise to be much more enjoyable when you separate it from the rest of trek, and pretend that it's it's own standalone series, instead of a prequel.
And I *really* liked Tucker.
...and the dog.
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Post by legios on Nov 28, 2012 20:52:20 GMT
The Motion Picture is magnificent and blew me away as a child. I remember it as one of my first really memorable cinema experiences - travelling through to a city to go to the cinema, then that vast music. A crew of intrepid space travellers whom I mainly knew from James Blish's novelisations encountering an unfathomably vast object of incomprehensible sophistication and then trying to comprehend it... It was magical stuff for my young mind. Motion Picture has a large role in my liking Star Trek, and in the appeal that Science Fiction has for me in general. Still absolutely love it. File me under no interest in the next Abrams Trek film. For what was billed as a fresh start it seemed to be unduly fixated on the icons of the past - sure, we need some of the characters from Star Trek to be in it, but do we need all of them? Probably not - leave room for us to meet their revised versions in future films. Also, lets have some bold exploring of unknown space... rather than just shooting laser-guns at things we already know. Star Trek was fundamentally a cavalry patrol on a partially charted frontier running into the unexpected every week and trying to resolve the resulting problems. The Abrams Movie could have been just about any space-opera navy franchise in terms of its story content. Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 6, 2012 17:18:38 GMT
Star Trek Into Darkness Trailer:
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 6, 2012 17:36:25 GMT
He looks awfully young to be seeking his vengeance already. Whoever he is.
A rather poor trailer I feel relying on the Star Trek brand to sell it. That are the people running around screaming for no understandable reason.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 6, 2012 17:46:58 GMT
How much did you see? It started ok-ish but went down hill. I felt it was strongest during the season long Xindi story in Season 3, but season 4.... dear oh dear. I saw all of season 1 and a tiny little bit of season 2 and about half of the season 3 opener. Funny, I'd heard from others that season 4 showed a lot of promise and they were quite disappointed it was cancelled at that point. It's so long since I watched Enterprise that its all a bit of a blur, but all the time travel stuff annoyed. It seemed like a desperate attempt to tie it to the future series. As did all the awkward attempts to do things that contradicted stated facts from earlier series. Like I said, so long I cant remember details, but introducing the borg in any form seemed a bad idea, transporting at warp was another or was it transporting from one part of the ship to another. I mean transporter technology was supposed to be almost brand new, but within the first episode was it? they were doing fancy things that were supposed to be unsafe during TOS. Did they also introduce Klingons earlier than established in the very first episode again and Ferengi and Romulans later. They had the chance to do a real stripped down back to basics, exploring brand new worlds with a real sense of frontier and danger, instead they managed to make it feel like the same largely known and safe universe of the TNG era. Which I suppose wasnt a shock after they managed to do the same thing with Voyager for seven years. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 6, 2012 21:01:59 GMT
Star Trek Into Darkness Trailer: Well that was all very intense and forbidding, but didn't really tell us anything. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 6, 2012 21:12:08 GMT
Meh!
Andy
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Post by legios on Dec 7, 2012 15:10:23 GMT
Well, that all seemed terribly generic. Some bloke attacking things because he wants to get unspecified revenge for some unspecified reason.... Doesn't really enthuse me.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 27, 2012 22:18:23 GMT
I have now seen the trailer as it played in front of Jack Reacher. There was loud guffawing in the screen I was at!
Sherlock did seem terribly upset about something.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 27, 2012 22:41:40 GMT
My thought after the trailer was the poor chap seems awfully young to be that upset about something.
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Post by Toph on Dec 27, 2012 23:17:22 GMT
I have no idea what the trailor looks like, but at the hobbit, they showed a five or so minute long full scene.
Has me excited! They took the enterprise where no man has gone before. Janeway did, though.
Also, Mickey Smith is in it.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 3, 2013 16:19:09 GMT
DS9: The Emissary first aired 20 years ago today
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 3, 2013 18:16:54 GMT
Fucking hell.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jan 3, 2013 18:55:05 GMT
DS9: The Emissary first aired 20 years ago today Piss off, no it didn't  |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 3, 2013 19:28:03 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jan 3, 2013 21:00:42 GMT
It was just last week Phil, you can't fool me by editing wikipedia! |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 3, 2013 21:04:51 GMT
I feel like the 'Old Man' now.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 3, 2013 22:02:09 GMT
I cannot wrap my brain around this fact. It also pains me that 20 years later, current Trek has devolved into alternate timeline of old characters pish.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 3, 2013 22:48:48 GMT
DS9: The Emissary first aired 20 years ago today Aw man, I can't believe it. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 4, 2013 20:26:07 GMT
I just watched Emmisary the other day, its holding up rather better TNG did before the remaster.
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Post by Jim on Jan 6, 2013 19:29:58 GMT
How scary. I still distinctly remember first learning about the show in days before I read SF magazines or had internet access by seeing the VHS release of Emissary trailed on Movies, Games and Videos (or was it still Movies, Movies, Movies at that point?) one Saturday lunchtime. I was so excited by the idea of another Trek show set in the same universe as TNG that I recorded the repeat to watch it over and over. I cannot wrap my brain around this fact. It also pains me that 20 years later, current Trek has devolved into alternate timeline of old characters pish. Indeed. Having run through all of DS9 last year I was quite taken aback by how progressive the series was compared to what passes for current mainstream SF (or mainstream TV full stop). |
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Post by Stomski on Jan 11, 2013 9:39:08 GMT
Post Christmas SyFy HD has continued where they left off with TNG Season 2.
Where's the awkwardness between Picard and Wesley gone that was so prevalent in Season 1? I was quite enjoying the moments where Picard was forced into the father figure role.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 11, 2013 19:33:47 GMT
That dynamic shifted due to Dr Crusher being written out.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jan 11, 2013 22:10:45 GMT
The only thing I really didn't like was how Crusher was waved off with barily a mention. And then again the same thing with Polaski.
Sorta wish Polaski had come back in later seasons as a guest role, or had been in other trek series.
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