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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 12, 2021 9:26:45 GMT
On an unrelated note, somebody has been playing with the swear filter so it looks like I have been mostly watching a bonus disc of the WORST Tex Avery cartoons.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2021 12:21:33 GMT
Now we know the truth. Phil has been playing with the swear filters!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 12, 2021 12:36:34 GMT
Now we know the truth. Phil has been playing with the swear filters!!! -Ralph THAT IS NOT AN APOLOGY OR RETRACTION. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 12, 2021 12:40:32 GMT
The funniest bit is it took you TWO DAYS to notice and wouldn't have got there without Andu's help!
Been a while since we last had a good swear filter jape!
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2021 15:00:43 GMT
IT WAS YOU!!!!
Apologise to Andu!
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 12, 2021 16:28:35 GMT
I don't need to apologise to Andu, you do for accusing him of editing your post!
In fact you need to apologise to me too cos you accused me of the same thing and I didn't do that EITHER!!
I'll cop to the swear filter as it was me, and I laughed when I did and laughed when I texted Andu to tell him I'd done it on Thursday!!!!
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Post by Jim on Jun 27, 2021 19:27:33 GMT
Approaching the end of season 3 in my first-time-watchthrough on Voyager, and after a short run of mediocre episodes have just hit "Before and After". Amazing! I've never heard of this episode, but it must easily be in the top 5 of Voyager for me (so far). I keep thinking about how good it is!
Voyager strikes me as being the absolute king of high-concept one-off Trek episodes.
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Post by Toph on Jun 27, 2021 19:49:32 GMT
I've said before, but Voyager is weird in that episodes are really good, or extremely bad, and there's almost no in between.
And it goes immediately from one to the next.
It goes from exploring the ethics of using medicine developed through genocidal methods, to "The subspace aliens are trying to communicate with us through my crazy gene."
I just started season 7 in my watch through.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 27, 2021 20:06:50 GMT
I have a big soft spot for Voyager. When it's really good it's gold.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 27, 2021 20:13:44 GMT
Council Pick TNG repeats have passed the end of S4.
It only served to remind me of what I already thought, that most of the second half of the season isn't that good. I don't think anything after Clues and Night Terrors really standing out whereas a few episodes were excruciating.
I enjoy the Starfleet ships/Data in command side of Redemption II but the Klingon stuff has outlived it's welcome. Missed Darmok - must dig out the shiny disc - and enjoyed bits of Ensign Ro. My memory is S5 has an even worse plunge post Redemption pre I Borg - Cause & Effect excluded. Silicon Avatar, Disaster, The Game and both Redemption this week.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 27, 2021 20:18:42 GMT
Everything you say is wrong!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jun 27, 2021 23:35:48 GMT
Okay so in my rewatching of Voyager, a new hindsight "fix" that sticks out is Neelix and Kes.
Their relationship always felt so unnatural, gross and borderline predatory to me, and I think that's a big part of why Neelix is so hated (combined with being shady and jealous in the first two seasons just not working for him).
(I'll ignore that Jennifer Lein was barely more than a teenager)
Kes being so young, with such a short lifespan, I can see her falling in love at the drop of a hat from our standpoint, but it never made sense for Neelix, who only knew her for a few weeks to have such strong romantic feelings towards someone who's barely a year old.
However, a slight tweek... If Neelix didn't have romantic interests, but somehow connected her to his sister, focusing all his trauma into helping and protecting her because he couldn't do anything to help his sister, and it would make sense!
So, my redo of Voyager, would have Neelix being over-protective of Kes, due to his trauma and guilt, instead of romantic affections.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 29, 2021 7:57:00 GMT
Council Pick TNG repeats have passed the end of S4. It only served to remind me of what I already thought, that most of the second half of the season isn't that good. I don't think anything after Clues and Night Terrors really standing out whereas a few episodes were excruciating. I enjoy the Starfleet ships/Data in command side of Redemption II but the Klingon stuff has outlived it's welcome. Missed Darmok - must dig out the shiny disc - and enjoyed bits of Ensign Ro. My memory is S5 has an even worse plunge post Redemption pre I Borg - Cause & Effect excluded. Silicon Avatar, Disaster, The Game and both Redemption this week. Everything you say is wrong!!! -Ralph Please explain how |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 29, 2021 9:08:41 GMT
S4 and S5 are grand. There is only one bad TNG season and that is 7.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 2, 2021 16:50:10 GMT
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Post by KnightBeat on Jul 2, 2021 17:18:10 GMT
That's a long trek.
I wonder why Nemesis is missing. Watchmen is the 10pm film tomorrow night.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jul 4, 2021 22:03:14 GMT
Nemesis was being shown on another channel, which is why Film4 didn't have it.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 4, 2021 22:30:00 GMT
We watched Wrath of Khan tonight.
I had never realise that we knew the Reliant's comms officer before now!
Bullet dodged yesterday when someone arrived just as Final Frontier was due to finish
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 4, 2021 22:34:32 GMT
S4 and S5 are grand. There is only one bad TNG season and that is 7. -Ralph S4 is tosh after the first few episodes. S5 is very weak between Unification and I Borg, with the exception of the John Lee Hooker episode. There's some tosh in s7 but there's some gold too. A Matter of Time, New Ground, Hero Worship, Violations & The Masterpiece Society this week. Do not recall a thing about any of them |
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Post by Toph on Jul 5, 2021 7:27:47 GMT
The Voyager Rant! She builds anew! I finished my latest watch-through, and hiding behind spoilers since Jim is watching for the first time.
Voyager just should not look like a brand new ship in Endgame.
Lots have been said about this from an exterior standpoint, but on the inside, too! They made two major internal modifications: Adapting the Captain's Dining Room into the Mess Hall in the second episode, and building Astrometrics sometime in season 4. And that was it. Aside from a laughable "hydroponics bay," that couldn't sustain three people, let alone 140.
Part of the concept of the ship is it was small, and not designed nor equipped for long term deep space missions, like ships like the Excelsior, or the E-D.
So by their third year, they really would be tearing out equipment they haven't used, and converting labs and spaces they don't need, into other things that they do. Or at least into new living spaces.
They would be training other medical personnel besides Kes and Tom Paris (probably from Tuvok's security division, who are largely unneeded until the ship is boarded. I'm ignoring Voyager's disappearing medical squad that's never mentioned before or seen after shipwide crises).
Sickbay itself should have undergone a major overhaul at some point. While fine for the type of short term missions Voyager was designed for, it has no privacy. The Docter almost certainly would have at least had some privacy curtains installed between the bio beds, if not having had that lab behind his office converted into a more discrete examination room.
More crew should honestly have been shown to be tapped and asked to perform other non-standard tasks, such as aiding Neelix in the mess hall, creating and maintaining an arboredum, and even a hair dresser.
The corridors should be mismatched, with as many times as they've been warped, disintegrated, and exploded.
It should look like nearly 150 people have lived in this small ship non-stop for seven years, and repaired and rebuilt it to their needs over Starfleets.
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2021 10:28:53 GMT
Thanks!
I'm now a few episodes into s4. Have to say that even though Seven is interesting pretty much right out of the gates, I feel kind of bad for Jennifer Lien. She showed herself to be a pretty good actress, especially for her age, and to see her so weakly written out and obviously phoning in her performance in her last two episodes was sad, especially in retrospect with what's gone on with her since.
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Post by Toph on Jul 13, 2021 11:11:51 GMT
It was either Kes or Harry. They didn't know what to do with either character (especially kes as she seems to have the most boring plots), and decided to write one off. Burman hated either Harry Kim or Garrett Wang (I'm not sure which, but he was pretty abusive to Garrett over it), and was leaning towards him.
But Garrett had also been recently voted as one of the sexiest men in america at the time, and was really popular, so he barely survived and Jennifer Lein was fired, instead.
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2021 12:37:41 GMT
Yeah, I remember hearing that a while back. I believe Garrett is planning on talking about it more in the Delta Flyers podcast when they get to that episode, which should be quite soon now.
It's true that neither of them are the most interesting characters, even after just two episodes Seven seems bursting with potential comparatively.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 13, 2021 13:19:56 GMT
Problem is Kes was never going to work on the sort of show Berman wanted to make. In human terms Kes went from 20ish to 40+. Her whole thing doesnt work in a show that wants to hit the rest button every week. Year of Hell? showed just how much could and should have been done in those three years (and would have been if she'd been on DS9).
Harry was designed to be the yin to Toms Yang (or vice versa), but then Tom was never the bad boy he needed to be to make that work. He should have been paired (not romantically) with Belanna and or 7 because Harry came to life the few times that did happen.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 15, 2021 18:06:44 GMT
We watched Wrath of Khan tonight. I had never realise that we knew the Reliant's comms officer before now! You're joking! Even I knew that one! Good gravy! |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 15, 2021 19:16:09 GMT
PHIL!!!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 16, 2021 11:00:15 GMT
Where'd ya find this guy, Doc'?! Jeez.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 16, 2021 15:46:46 GMT
Cause & Effect on Pick at 5pm
John Lee Hooker time!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 16, 2021 18:36:31 GMT
Stop changing the subject and acknowledge your shame!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 16, 2021 21:28:40 GMT
Phil not long ago admitted he hadn't seen THE THOLIAN WEB - one of the greatest Trek tales!!!
-Ralph
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