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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2011 8:08:04 GMT
and the best thing in it by a long way.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 10, 2011 9:46:56 GMT
Yeah I was thinking maybe jumping a few months forward earlier would have been a much better way to show the collapse of society. In the immediate aftermath there wasn't enough reason for tension or maybe its just being back in back in Wales for most of the episode that makes such a difference. Venice Beach is just not the location to show the collapse of society.
DeLancie was also in Franklin and Bash this week, I'd forgotten how good he was, its making me want to rewatch TNG now.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 10, 2011 12:05:29 GMT
He only appeared as Q in 8 episodes out of 178 episodes of TNG* yet is generally one of the most remembered aspects of that show. Which says something about how well he played the part.
-Ralph
*And one episode of DS9 and 3 episodes of Voyager
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2011 12:19:24 GMT
He is fab in TNG, though I'd go with Patrick Stewart's choice of favourite villain....
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 10, 2011 13:02:24 GMT
Which was?
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2011 13:05:00 GMT
Andreaus Katsulas' Romulan Commander Tomalek. It's why he pops up for an encore performance in All Good Things
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 10, 2011 13:11:23 GMT
He was good too, but I did prefer Q.
Andy
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2011 13:21:31 GMT
..... but even given that Tomalek is my favourite TNG villain, it's a mere warm up for Katsulus' next, and most famous, role....
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 10, 2011 14:30:01 GMT
He only appeared as Q in 8 episodes out of 178 episodes of TNG* yet is generally one of the most remembered aspects of that show. Which says something about how well he played the part. -Ralph *And one episode of DS9 and 3 episodes of Voyager I knew it was only about that many times in TNG, but it goes to show how much better than everything else in Voyager that I thought he'd been in it a LOT more than that. |
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Post by legios on Sept 11, 2011 19:51:44 GMT
Saw episode 9 of Miracle Day this afternoon. Decent enough nonsense I felt. It does underline though that the early episodes of the story have very little to do with anything, and much of the running time could be excised without harming the story in any meaningful way. This is not a good thing.
But, we continue to have Delancie as one of the most entertaining CIA folk on either the small or large screen, and we are getting some wonderfully silly ideas being thrown around rather than the faux seriousness of earlier episodes. It is a shame that it has taken us so long down a meaningless diversion to get there though.
Karl
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Post by legios on Sept 12, 2011 11:53:22 GMT
Perhaps it is only because I was playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution at the weekend and so my mind is being directed down this track, but the description of the way the Three Families operate basically means that Miracle Day is "Jack and Gwen fight the Illuminati". For some reason I find that thought mildly amusing.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 12, 2011 17:15:58 GMT
I generally find the idea that Jack and co have been fighting a triangle for 9 episodes to be utterly hilarious, albeit unintentionally so.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Sept 12, 2011 19:30:55 GMT
Oh indeed, as sinister foreshadowing the omnipresent triangle logo was more than a little mirth-inducing.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2011 20:59:21 GMT
So. Wait. What? That's how it ends??? 10 hours for that *bangs head off wall* -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 15, 2011 21:06:10 GMT
Honestly I enjoyed that. It should not have been 10 hours, all that Rex and Ester family back story stuff really was utterly pointless, but on the whole not bad.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 15, 2011 21:14:58 GMT
Colour me...underwhelmed.
Andy
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Post by legios on Sept 15, 2011 21:17:47 GMT
That was.... that was truly rubbish. I was expecting a "A Wizard did it" ending. But I wasn't really expecting it to be such a sub-par one. Too much standing around in rooms talking nonsense, too much rank stupidity (on both sides. The Families are the worst Illumanti I have seen in a long time - and I've seem some dodgy ones - Torchwood really are epically rubbish at covert operations and Rex is no better) and too much off the sort of portentous voiceover that has made me laugh unkindly ever since "Army of Ghosts".
And, I'm sorry but "we don't know and you shouldn't care" is not a sufficient explanation for the McGuffin. Not when it is such a ludicrous McGuffin. "Because" is not an answer. Especially not after ten episodes.
Alternating between being bored and laughing derisively was not really what I had hoped for.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2011 21:20:21 GMT
It does what was sensibly nixed from Doctor Who's 1986 series, ie has a story that runs for quite a while with the the promise of a complete story only to end with 'but it's only just begun!'. Crap. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 15, 2011 21:25:45 GMT
I enjoyed how all the villains just stood about like potatoes while the good guys spent AGES working out what to do! I mean come on! If they're just grabbed Rex they'd have won! Also John deLancie died too fast  |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2011 21:26:28 GMT
I think it suffered from the Current Telly Curse: ie it doesn't have to make sense or be properly explained: it's all about the 'emotion'. But I can't feel any emotion if it's not fucking properly explained or makes sense!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 15, 2011 21:27:19 GMT
I enjoyed how all the villains just stood about like potatoes while the good guys spent AGES working out what to do! I mean come on! If they're just grabbed Rex they'd have won! Yep. Grabbed him and marched him out of the big cavern and far away as quickly as possible! -Ralph |
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Post by legios on Sept 15, 2011 21:28:57 GMT
And to add insult to injury the pitch for continuing adventures is the villian's pitch that they are thinking about a version of the same basic plan only spruced up a bit. Ummmm. No. That is not really particularly appealing.
Also "Something strange has happened. Now there are two Captain Scarlets" [apologies to the StarTV Headmasters dub] Was neither fun nor dramatic, just the sort of thing one hopes desperately whilst watching that they aren't going to do. Karl |
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Post by legios on Sept 15, 2011 21:41:36 GMT
I enjoyed how all the villains just stood about like potatoes while the good guys spent AGES working out what to do! I mean come on! If they're just grabbed Rex they'd have won! Or they could have punched him repeatedly in places that were unlikely to make him bleed and then grabbed him. But yes, frogmarching him from the room was pretty much what I was growling at them to do. I felt like one of those master villians who spends their time asking why they are surrounded by idiots.... But Ralph has put his finger on it. We are neither supposed to understand the plot logic or to care about why the plot fits together. We are supposed to feel the tragedy of the fact that Rex has to sacrifice the woman he has an unquantified relationship with, and Gwen has to sacrifice her father - which is really important because he is her family. We are not supposed to be watching for the story, we are supposed to be watching because the people inside the glass tube are our friends and we are invested in their emotional lives. I'm a right brain person though. "Because' is not an answer, and without a world behind the events that makes sense they have no emotional power at all because they are simply more random events in a string. Talking basically all the competence in the CIA with him as well, which is the real tragedy. I was looking foward to seeing him really start getting angry realising that he was going to have to quit smoking all over again. That would have been so much more entertaining and ending than Rex getting Immortality powers. Of course, most things would... Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 15, 2011 22:33:00 GMT
JOHN DE LANCIE IS NOT DEAD! he got out alive .....
OK, I get that Jack got his imortality back when the blessing reversed the morphic field..... why did he loose it in the first place? And if the morphic field was based on Jack how come the humans don't heal/wakeup again when killed like he does?
Liz was surprised when Rex got back up at the end..... I thought it was obvious since he got back up straight after being shot in Buenos Aires
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Post by blueshift on Sept 15, 2011 23:11:11 GMT
JOHN DE LANCIE IS NOT DEAD! he got out alive ..... I like the theory that every character he plays IS Q messing about with people ;D OK, I get that Jack got his imortality back when the blessing reversed the morphic field..... why did he loose it in the first place? And if the morphic field was based on Jack how come the humans don't heal/wakeup again when killed like he does? Well, you see Phil, er, um, ah, well, you see, uh LOOK OVER THERE! *Legs it* |
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Post by Dave on Sept 16, 2011 12:15:09 GMT
Liz was surprised when Rex got back up at the end..... I thought it was obvious since he got back up straight after being shot in Buenos Aires Yeah I thought it odd no one had questioned that - it was expected to kill him after all. Overall a disappointment but I still think if it had been a 5-parter (and if we'd had a proper explanation for things) it would have been a lot better. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 27, 2011 17:30:46 GMT
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Torchwood
Jan 14, 2015 12:35:53 GMT
via mobile
Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2015 12:35:53 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 14, 2015 17:48:39 GMT
That would be interesting, perhaps they can correct the horrible misstep of Miracle Day.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2015 18:09:54 GMT
I loved the radio Torchwood ep where Ianto came back to life only to die again!
-Ralph
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