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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 29, 2008 7:04:59 GMT
Weevils will never be interesting. That's easy for you to say. You try getting to sleep at night knowing they're crawling around in your sewers. You're never more than eight metres from a Weevil in Cardiff. (Unless you go up three flights of stairs.) Unlike Karl, I was pleased Owen was still walking around at the end of this week's episode, because I thought it would be far too obvious and cliched to have him "achieve closure" by fighting Death and sacrificing himself. Martin |
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Post by legios on Feb 29, 2008 7:14:12 GMT
Weevils will never be interesting. Unlike Karl, I was pleased Owen was still walking around at the end of this week's episode, because I thought it would be far too obvious and cliched to have him "achieve closure" by fighting Death and sacrificing himself. Martin For what it is worth I actually agree with you that the way they have chosen to go is the less formulaic route in dealing with it. I think I was just still in the frame of "this character is dead, therefore needs to be removed somehow". I also did like a lot of the stuff that they did in terms of the consequences of Owen's new state. I don't think I was entirely clear about that in my original post. I think my initial feelings aboutt the episode was somewhat coloured by a knee-jerk reaction that Owen shouldn't have been resurrected in the first place. (I am in a bit of a "dead is dead" mood at the moment it would seem). I may give the ep a rewatch in due course and try to reevaluate it, see if the "Walking Death" sub-plot grows on me and whether I can get past my initial gut instinct of "dead people have to leave the show". And you have just reminded me that I must pack some 9mm Weevil repellent for my upcoming visit to Cardiff. And I thought that the ants in my house constituted a vermin problem..... Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 29, 2008 17:40:26 GMT
I'm a big fan of 'dead is dead' myself, but I felt this got away with it firstly because Jack wasn't trying to bring Owen fully back to life, just for two minutes so folk could say goodbye. That he didn't stay dead was an interesting springboard for an atmospheric plot and Proper Character Development. And Owen's 'dead but alive' status was used to drive events rather than just 'oh, he's OK' and even by the end of the episode there is the sense that things are still imperfect. So that's how it got away with it for me. Had Owen been brought back willy-nilly, I would have been pretty annoyed.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Feb 29, 2008 18:13:50 GMT
You have a fair point there. I actually have the episode kicking around on tape (thought I might miss part of it for various reasons, although it didn't happen). I think I might give it another watch now I am in a less grumpy frame of mind and see whether I reevaluate it.
Karl
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Post by Bogatan on Mar 1, 2008 11:30:39 GMT
Im not sure how many of you are watching on BBC3 so I'll be as general as I can be. I really do like how Owens death is being handled. While seeing him dead is dead would have been interesting seeing a group handle a death has been done in most shows at one point. Seeing how the zombie or should that be undead thing plays out is much more unusual. The idea that he cant heal brings up some pretty horrific thoughts and not just memories of Death Becomes Her. Usually when theres a zombie character (the only one that springs to mind is Reg from the Discworld) hes already falling apart and I never really thought about how they got into that state.
Surely though he wont bruise as that require blood flow, but bones that wont heal, cuts that will need restitching constantly and the continual deterioration. I think its fairly unique.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2008 18:54:17 GMT
Yeah, caught up with the BBC3 episode on the iplayer this evening. Really nicely done. It's hard to believe this is the same show as season 1.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 2, 2008 18:58:01 GMT
What about Owen's eventual baldness. All that hair falling out and none coming in to replace it?
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2008 19:04:42 GMT
Yep. He's going to end up in a right state!
In other news, I am going to go back in time and try to stop the Chibnall from writing the last 3 episodes of the series.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 2, 2008 19:10:59 GMT
I shall have to go back in time and stop you. Meddling with the timeline is off-limits even it does mean stopping Chibnall.
Andy
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Post by KnightBeat on Mar 2, 2008 20:17:39 GMT
I shall have to go back in time and stop you from stopping The Doctor. Withnall must be stopped.
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Post by legios on Mar 2, 2008 20:23:38 GMT
I shall have to go back in time and stop you from stopping The Doctor. Withnall must be stopped. You realise that some of us have to archive these timelines you folk keep making defunct? Every time one of you does something the other two countermove and it sets of a flurry of overwriting that creates another huge sheaf of defunct histories. It's a wonder anyones watch can keep proper time at Upper Boat at the moment. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 2, 2008 20:32:15 GMT
I'm off! Through space! And time!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Mar 3, 2008 22:19:48 GMT
I'm off! Through space! And time! -Ralph Bring me back a souvenir or summat! I must sheepishly report that it turns out that much of my reaction to last weeks episode of "Torchwood" was actually due to the frame of mind I was in. Having reevaluated it in a calmer and less harried frame of mind I find myself a lot better disposed to it than I was. I still have a certain sense that I wish that Owen's death had "taken properly", but rewatching it I see more than I did the first time that they haven't handed him a "get out of jail free" card. What has happened has real consequences that have to be dealt with - Owen is still dead, he just hasn't "stopped" yet. That is a much more unsettling thought than I first realised. I'm quite interested to see where they go with this dramatically. Having rewatched that episode I find myself, for the first time, considering battling with iPlayer to see what the next episode is like. I guess what I am saying is that my immediate reaction to last weeks episode was simply wrong, and other folk were right. Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 5, 2008 22:34:50 GMT
Enjoyed tonight's again. Good continuing exploration of Owen's still dead but not dead.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 5, 2008 22:40:01 GMT
I watched next weeks on BBC3, a bit of a mixed bag with horrible wedding cliches aplenty. Some good performances helped when things started to flag and Gwen looked rather nice in her wedding dress.
Andy
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Post by legios on Mar 5, 2008 23:20:28 GMT
Well, I waited to see this episode on the BBC2 airing (mostly because I couldn't face mucking about with Iplayer). It was well worth the wait. Burn Gorman put in a fantastic turn - the material with him dealing with his dead state was very effective stuff, he was given a broader range of material to work with in this one episode as he was in the whole of the first season and he handled it very well.
The scenes on the roof with the lass who was planning to jump hit quite close to home for me, and I thought it worked very well and managed to avoid devolving into cliche.
Very much a single character spotlight episode this one, and a very rewarding one. I may have initially had a knee-jerk reaction against it, but bringing Owen back from his death is actually the best dramatic decision the show has made. (And it has also allowed them to complete the almost complete rebuild of Owen as a character without it seeming forced).
Very, very good stuff.
I've not seen the next episode, due to a lack of BBC3, only the trailer. From your description Andy it sounds like it is better than the trailer, which wouldn't be too difficult.
Karl
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 6, 2008 14:38:46 GMT
Owen put in a good performance, and they're doing well with the whole dead/undead thing. Prob the weakest ep so far this series for me, but still a good, watchable ep, so says alot for Torchwood S2.
Ian
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 9, 2008 21:29:43 GMT
I watched next weeks on BBC3, a bit of a mixed bag with horrible wedding cliches aplenty. Some good performances helped when things started to flag and Gwen looked rather nice in her wedding dress. Andy Watched it this evening. One of the laws of the universe is that wedding episodes of TV shows are usually terrible. That it managed to be watchable if unexceptional wasn't too bad. The monster was crap though! -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 10, 2008 7:07:53 GMT
With the wedding episode out of the way
It's a matter of time until that day
That a musical episode enters the fray.
Rhyming week prepares me for the dreaded time
When a singing virus comes through the rift in space-time.
But today Time Wars weather batters our defences.
I've suffered some damage to one of my fences.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 19, 2008 22:52:13 GMT
Caught the double bill tonight on BBC2 and BBC3, episodes 10 & 11. Both corkers, with the bonus of episode 11 being set on and under the Cardiff Bay Barrage.
Be nice if we can get a boat over to walk a bit along it on Saturday, though the weather forecast isn't great.
Martin
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Post by legios on Mar 19, 2008 23:03:39 GMT
Caught the double bill tonight on BBC2 and BBC3, episodes 10 & 11. Both corkers, with the bonus of episode 11 being set on and under the Cardiff Bay Barrage. Be nice if we can get a boat over to walk a bit along it on Saturday, though the weather forecast isn't great. Martin Saw Episode ten yesterday evening courtesy of BBC Iplayer, I shall catch episode eleven the same way in due course I think. (The picture quality on the streaming stuff isn't that much worse than my BBC 2 reception on a bad day and it has the added convenience of my being able to schedule it as it suits me. Episode Ten was a great piece of work - very distinctively P J Hammond's style. The sense of taking something commonplace and adding a sinister twist to it is something that he does very well indeed. Thought the direction on it was fantastic as well, brought a strong atmosphere to it. Definitely one of the stronger episodes of the season. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 20, 2008 21:43:19 GMT
Yeah, that was a good one.
Alas, the following is by The Chibnall. Watching it now and he can't write for toffee.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 22, 2008 21:46:12 GMT
Odd watching Torchwood 2.12 and seeing places I'd been standing earlier in the day !
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 25, 2008 20:50:56 GMT
Caught up with episode 12. Despite some typical clunky Chibnalisms, fairly watchable. Though the acting from the two lassies in Torchwood during the flashback near the start was atrocious. As were Captain Jack's bushy sideburns!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Mar 25, 2008 21:47:17 GMT
It didn't do a great deal for me I fear. It felt rather disjointed and "info-dumpish". Bits of it were ok, but in honesty I didn't feel it hung together particularly well as an episode. It was well-titled in that it did feel rather like fragments in search of something to hold them together. It isn't the worst script that Chibnall has turned in this season by a long shot though. Some good parts, but not really adding up to a satisfying whole. Reasonably watchable I guess, but not in the same league as "Out of the rain" though.
The Torchwood lasses were indeed in a special class of terrible though.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 5, 2008 9:07:16 GMT
Not usually a fan of Chibnall scripts, but I thought the season finale was pretty decent.
-Ralph
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Post by Nigel on Apr 5, 2008 9:39:39 GMT
Aww, I need a hug.  |
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Post by Hug-Man on Apr 5, 2008 11:15:49 GMT
I am here for you, my friend.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 5, 2008 17:25:59 GMT
S2 boxset v v v cheap at play.com - £15 !
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 5, 2008 20:32:08 GMT
Good series final ep I thought. But sorry Tosh and Owen are dead. Seems they've gone to great lengths to make them likeable, and succeeded. And now they're dead. Oh well.
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