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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 3, 2012 21:26:54 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 4, 2012 8:05:32 GMT
I'll take a roboot over more Bay, any day.
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Post by Hero on Oct 4, 2012 10:43:45 GMT
Here, here.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 4, 2012 19:23:39 GMT
I have barely any tolerance for reboots these days as well as a deep dislike for the word 'reboot' itself as 99% of the internet use the word without understanding the meaning. Lacks imagination and it's perfectly possible to have a fresh start yet include what came before without alienating new or old audiences. For an example of how to do this, I direct you to the way Doctor Who returned to telly in 2005. For an example of pointless rebooting, I point you towards DC comics.
Stories that happened before will always be someone's favourite.
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Post by Hero on Oct 4, 2012 20:01:01 GMT
Although I'd prefer a reboot than the current mess continuing, it would be too soon for a clean slate.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 9, 2012 18:43:57 GMT
I agree, Hero. I just want someone else in charge of any new Movies.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 9, 2012 18:58:12 GMT
It's not going to happen. Each film made more than the previous one. The last film made over a billion dollars on threatrical release alone.
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Post by Hero on Oct 9, 2012 18:58:49 GMT
Someone better preferably.  |
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Post by legios on Oct 9, 2012 19:40:25 GMT
From the point of view of a major studio Michael Bay is someone good. He makes them enormous piles of money, which is the point of making these kinds of movies. Realistically unless he simply decided to price himself out of their reach - which he is far too sensible to do - he is not going to be replaced. And it isn't likely he will be too anxious to quit doing it himself - these films are a good payday which then allows him to go off and do other things in between. Both he and the studio are on to a winner really.
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Post by Jaymz on Oct 10, 2012 23:05:36 GMT
Realistically unless he simply decided to price himself out of their reach - which he is far too sensible to do - he is not going to be replaced. He's on a profit percentage deal, so Hasbro don't even have to pay him until they've made money. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 18, 2012 19:26:50 GMT
From the point of view of a major studio Michael Bay is someone good. He makes them enormous piles of money, which is the point of making these kinds of movies. Realistically unless he simply decided to price himself out of their reach - which he is far too sensible to do - he is not going to be replaced. And it isn't likely he will be too anxious to quit doing it himself - these films are a good payday which then allows him to go off and do other things in between. Both he and the studio are on to a winner really. Karl Your logic is infallible as always Karlos, damn it all. On Bay: It's not that I hate Bay, his Transformers films, particularly the first one, were blow-your-pants-away action flicks. Great fights and big effects. Take out the childish humor and gratuitous Lady bottoms (nice as they were), and Bay's films would be ok, not 'great' but ok (they'd need actual characterisation of the robot kind to be great). But, after three 'blow-your-pants-away action flicks', I want a new approach. The new approach can be 'blow-your-pants-away' as well, but just by someone different, someone with new ideas and new ways of doing things. So reboot please, thankyou. Reboot reboot reboot. 'Cos that seems like the only way we'll get rid of Mr Bay, and all his juvenile humor and gratuitous Lady bottoms. I WANT PROWL TO DIRECT THE NEXT ONE! (Although that would mean he may not want to star in it as well...) |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 18, 2012 19:32:24 GMT
Personally, there has already been a good Transformers movie I love anyway. It came out in 1986!
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 19, 2012 10:06:24 GMT
Yeah, Baby!
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Post by Hero on Oct 19, 2012 13:15:32 GMT
Damn straight!
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Post by legios on Oct 19, 2012 18:12:34 GMT
He's on a profit percentage deal, so Hasbro don't even have to pay him until they've made money. Ah, I stand corrected. In which case Michael Bay is going nowhere until and unless people en-masse cease going to see the films then. (Or to put it another way - no time soon). Karl |
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Post by Marc Graham on Oct 19, 2012 18:34:45 GMT
Michael Bay will probably stay until he is bored with it, whether 4 will be it, its hard to say, I guess he is making a lot from it, but I'd be suprised if he stays much beyond that.
Having said that I think Bay takes way too much of the blame for what is wrong with the first 3 movies, he didn't write the stories and he didn't design the characters, sure he had major influence, but he wasn't the only person in charge by a long shot. He makes high octane low brow action movies and he has delivered those. Cut out a few poor comedy skits and overly long shots of the female figure and the movies aren't terrible in my view.
Unfortunately all 3 movies pale in comparison to the insanely high octane emotion filled carnage that was the 1986 animated movies, something that still brings pleasure to me everytime I view it.
I'll always have something of a soft spot for bits of the Bay movieverse, it made Bumblebee a mega star character (although it also took away some of his character by taking away his voice) and it exposed the franchise to a huge audience. I'm a sucker for action and the first movie was repeated viewing for me during a long stint stateside in 2007 with no friends or family to hang out with. So, I'm more forgiving than most to its multitude of failings.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 27, 2012 0:06:19 GMT
... it made Bumblebee a mega star character (although it also took away some of his character by taking away his voice) ... This sums up the Bayverse for me. I thought what it did for Bumblebee was brilliant. But it came short. It made Bumblebee great, but it could have made him greater with more characterisation (of the vocal kind). The fight/battle scenes in all three films are FAB, but the poor characterisation and crap jokes, that would have been so easy to put in or put out, spoiled the films for me, and made them less, much less, than what they should have been. So, someone different. Reboot. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 27, 2012 8:56:10 GMT
Michael Bay will probably stay until he is bored with it, whether 4 will be it, its hard to say, I guess he is making a lot from it, but I'd be suprised if he stays much beyond that. Having said that I think Bay takes way too much of the blame for what is wrong with the first 3 movies, he didn't write the stories and he didn't design the characters, sure he had major influence, but he wasn't the only person in charge by a long shot. Will probably jump ship to TMNT fully since his fingerprints are all over that upcoming project, and like with TFs is already taking too much blame for it. |
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Post by andrewbcalculating on Jan 10, 2013 10:55:17 GMT
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Post by Benn on Jan 10, 2013 14:04:09 GMT
The last paragraph/quote of that article is the most damning critism I've heard from an official source.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 25, 2013 20:55:29 GMT
Oh my Goodness. A second Bay trilogy. I'm laughing hysterically, 'cos if I didn't I'd cry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 23:39:05 GMT
Michael Bay will probably stay until he is bored with it, whether 4 will be it, its hard to say, I guess he is making a lot from it, but I'd be suprised if he stays much beyond that. Having said that I think Bay takes way too much of the blame for what is wrong with the first 3 movies, he didn't write the stories and he didn't design the characters, sure he had major influence, but he wasn't the only person in charge by a long shot. Will probably jump ship to TMNT fully since his fingerprints are all over that upcoming project, and like with TFs is already taking too much blame for it. yup he's taking on the Ninja Turtles too no idea how that'll turn out |
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 21, 2013 0:12:50 GMT
Maybe its because of the extra year away, or because Hasbro appear to be insisting that the line up and or designs be revamped, but I'm looking forward to the next film. (I don't have a problem with the designs but after 5 years of remaking the same small group of major characters, its time for something different.)
I'm not so sure he'll jump any time soon and I've reached a point where that doesnt bother me. Transformers gives Bay the chance to blow shit up. A LOT of shit. In the field of film making in which he is top dog why jump ship to Ninjas (even alien Ninjas,) even if the Turtles are 30 feet tall they are not going to blow up as much as 30+ foot robots. Also as long as he's making films that bring in billions he's got the clout to go and make the films he wants in between.
I tend to agree with Marc, while the buck has to stop with Bay to a certain extent, the biggest failing of the 3 films was ROTF, and I dont know how responsible Bay is for the film being produced to a timescale that ignored a writers strike. In place of script they just amped up the violence and the humour of the first film. Personally I liked the first film so it made sense, they just went to far, with the humour especially.
DOTM could have wasted time trying to properly tie ROTF into sequence, but if they had a story they liked and felt worked it would have been a mistake to alter it to do that.
Thats not to say there aren't plenty of reasons to dislike the series if you want, the designs, the plots acting (looking at you Rosie), the humour, continuity, viloence, Primes morality. My own issue is just how annoying Sam became, he was a bit annoying in the first one, but by the third I was hoping he died a various points. A case can be made for any or all of them if they aren't to your taste, but I always feel some sections were out to bash the films from the start. People complaining about continuity or the plots or the designs but wanting the films to be more like the cartoon they worship drive me nuts for example.
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Post by Hero on Feb 23, 2013 14:43:55 GMT
Chances could be likely of a Mikaela return if recent events in Bayland are anything to go by. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 23, 2013 19:13:48 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Apr 3, 2013 19:58:55 GMT
There's also a rumor that Transformers 4, 5 and 6 will be shot back-to-back! Surely not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 7:25:27 GMT
More on Chinese involvement with the movie: reality TV show to offer 4 roles in the movie to winners - tinyurl.com/d7xyg9yI imagine whatever roles they get will probably be minor, but still... As if this whole mess wasn't enough of a farce already. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 19, 2013 21:09:48 GMT
The Chinese market for films has expanded significantly in recent years so we'll see more of these kind of tie-ins. Makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 10:37:20 GMT
Makes sense from a business perspective, but to me it still feels awfully tacky nonetheless. Too many potentially excellent stories have already been either left untold or warped beyond recognition by the Business Perspective for this to be a good trend to me.
But then several of the shows I've been watching got cancelled this year so I suppose I'm more bitter about that than usual.
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