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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 5, 2012 18:41:10 GMT
Yeah, but it's new molds we want! Seems there hasn't been any for ages. When were the last Classicy figs released?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 5, 2012 18:43:26 GMT
new? Warpath just before DOTM. April last year
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Post by Toph on Jul 5, 2012 19:08:23 GMT
Personally, I feel FoC Combaticons are as halfassed as the Energon combiners. Just in a different way.
It may have five distinct members, but none of them really look like anything, and they're all the same size, which doesn't work in combined mode.
Another example of why Hasbro needs to lead the various companies (Games, cartoons, and movies) when it comes to designing and engineering, and not have to play sloppy seconds to try to get something that looks vaguely close to designs that don't work in the real world.
They either needed to make Onslaught bigger, the limbs smaller, or throw the design in the garbage, and make something that works for what they're trying to make (A combiner with five separate molds, all deluxe).
As I said in another thread, make Onslaught focus exclusively as being the torso and head.
Blastoff and Vortex not only transform into the arms, but cast off a piece of their bulk adding onto the sides of Onslaught's torso mode.
Swindle and Brawl becoming both the shins *and* thighs, instead of just the shins.
I think that would have made a much stronger, and less funky/gangely Bruticus.
I do hope the G2 set on amazon won't be *too* expensive, though. I could pass on all of it except that.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 5, 2012 19:19:44 GMT
I agree with you CJ on Bruticus' body. Onslaught should have been larger. It just looks better, more proportional. There's a reason why the scramble city style is the best. Hasbro need to do scramble city, but LARGER! (and with better articulation).
I also must congratulate you on the use of the phrase "sloppy seconds", it made me laugh! Haven't heard it for a while!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 5, 2012 19:20:46 GMT
Oh yeah! Still, over a year ago now.
Trailbreaker, damn it!! And Blitzwing while you're at it!
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Post by Toph on Jul 5, 2012 19:20:56 GMT
Hasbro's all up over FoC right now. Even at the expense of Prime.
Personally, I feel the way they're going about it is entirely idiotic. They've got Prime, which is for better or worse the face of thr franchise, and the most accessible piece of fiction out there on the low burner, and they're focusing an entire line around a video game that will be half a year old by the time the majority of their line line kicks off.
Sure they have the combaticons, Optimus, Jazz, and Shockwave coming around the game's release, and that's fine.
But their WfC toys were the worst shelfwarmers of anything that does not bare the name Wheelie, Mudflap, or Skids. So why is dedicating an entire multi-wave line to it a good idea?
On top of that, video games have a shelflife. Most games are are very popular for a few weeks, but quickly fade from the general public's memory. By the time Hasbro kicks the FoC toyline into high gear (In the spring, they said at botcon), the game will be half a year old, and yesterday's news.
And yet they're neglecting Prime for this.
It's one thing for them to roll game toys into Generations. It's called iGenerations for a reason. It's another thing to take it over at the expence of everything else.
Personally, I feel that game toys should be rolled into Prime, since that's the universe they're attached to. While Generations should be a mixture of G1/2, Beast Era, UT, and RiD updates, with some Animated and Movie rolled in.
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Post by Toph on Jul 5, 2012 19:33:54 GMT
Well, that's what it feels like, lol! I mean, Prime and WfC/FoC are supossed to be two halves of the same story, yet the designs are all over the place for both. Prime looks like a highly genericized movie, while the games look like over inflated and disproportional G1. The Prime crew doesn't even bother trying to match anything up in their own flashbacks, which makes it even messier. Then Hasbro has the job otf trying to tie it all together and somehow make it work... ...Which is made even more difficult by the fact that neither game, nor Prime crews have a basic idea of how to make a functional transformer design. The Prime toys are the cheatiest toys in TF history. And most of the game designs, it'll be impossible to achieve the rediculous proportions they have (Swoop is a great example. Small, sleek pterosaur, absolute brute of a robot. He gets like, three times larger. That's... just... impossible. Like turning a tardis inside out or something) So yeah, Hasbro gets the sloppiest seconds imaginable.  |
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 6, 2012 13:31:28 GMT
Amazon US has a preorder up for G2 FOC Bruticus. I just preordered using the customs fee deposit thing and the total came in at just under $85. So thats about £55-60 with no parcelforce fees to pay, making it about the same price as UK retail.
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Post by shadowynne on Jul 6, 2012 20:08:21 GMT
aww i dont know about all that CJ. i think that tf prime have some really nice designs, sure there is cheating but come on, all transformers cheat, the whole gimmick is a cheat! how many car modes are hollow so you can see the ground through the windscreen? or hollow chests? there are all kinds of cheats... as for wfc/foc sure ok the in game mass shifting is bollocks. yeah i will give you that... but the toys are looking pretty good. in hoping for some insecticons!
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Post by Toph on Jul 6, 2012 22:19:28 GMT
aww i dont know about all that CJ. i think that tf prime have some really nice designs, sure there is cheating but come on, all transformers cheat, the whole gimmick is a cheat! how many car modes are hollow so you can see the ground through the windscreen? or hollow chests? there are all kinds of cheats... as for wfc/foc sure ok the in game mass shifting is bollocks. yeah i will give you that... but the toys are looking pretty good. in hoping for some insecticons! When you have to fake every piece of alt mode decorative kibble on a robot because the design is too dodgy to remotely replicate in physical form, something is wrong with the design, not the toy. We know Hasbro is capable of working miracles, thanks to RotF Youager Optimus. Amazingly tiny amount of cheeting in replicating a seemingly improbable robot design, on a $20 toy. Prime Ratchet though is a worse shellformer than Takara's best (Big Convoy, Sideburn, Thunderblast). And I say he's worse than them, because all of their robot mode details are all new details. Ratchet ends up having to replicate every single vehicle mode to robot detail save for the wheels on his arms, because his design is impossible, and makes absolutely no sense. Hell, all of animated proved exactly what is possible when the lshow and design teams work in tandom. That entire line is a feat of engineering miracles. The Prime and Game designs for the most part reek of home made kid drawings who deside to make the door wings be backwards because "it looks cool!" but has no concept of how that engineering would actually work to make the door/wings inside out. Hasbro and takara does a really wonderful job of coming up with unique, new, interesting, and seemingly impossible designs on their own, when they're able to. Utilize that, and we'd get something amazing. There is absolutely no cooperation or coordination between the three teams. I don't think it's unfair at all to say the toys suffer because of it. |
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Post by shadowynne on Jul 7, 2012 16:39:41 GMT
ok man, when you put it like that i have to agree with you... to an extent. as far as fiction flaws, well... i dont really care about those really. and yeah man i totally agree the engineering for animated line certainly blows tfprime out of the water. and sure some of the foc line are a bit teen fanfiction but most of them work. for one im still looking forward to the line especially the insecticons, since we havnt had any modern remakes of the g1 bugs.
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Post by Toph on Jul 7, 2012 21:33:37 GMT
I hope the insecticons are decent. I wasn't impressed with what we saw at Botcon, but I'll reserve opinoins for seeing an image that lasts longer than three seconds.
As for my earlier critisisms... I'll also admit that there is an amount of laziness on Hasbro's part when it comes to the Prime toys. They could replicate Arcee's design... Animated Prowl has a simular transformation scheme. They could have gotten both wheels on both legs if they wanted to. And they replicated her chest pretty much perfectly with the FE toy, using the actual alt mode as part of the robot.
Optimus, any time they cheet his windows, it's galling, given the fact how simular he is to movie, and they can't even make a $30 Prime Optimus toy without faking the windows.
So I think one out of four mainline Optimus toys they didn't cheet his windows? Out of one deluxe, two voyagers, and the ultra equivalent Weaponizer?
Either way, I'll stop derailing the topic.
I do hope if they plan future combiners, they'll learn from their mistakes with Bruticus. As critical as I am, I'll happily admit this is a nice try.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 12, 2012 6:07:23 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 12, 2012 18:54:04 GMT
I only bothered to look at the tat gallery. Disappointed by the low amount of upcoming crap. I do need some of those hats though.
-Ralph
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Post by glaug on Jul 12, 2012 21:54:15 GMT
/photo/1/large Something for Jetty to rage over!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2012 0:01:05 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2012 6:16:49 GMT
I want to buy a toy because of it's box. I need help!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 13, 2012 7:26:12 GMT
The...what...G2 Box...I...must...
*BOOM*
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2012 9:25:40 GMT
My work here is done.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2012 10:05:06 GMT
Except to say..... Burns have you seen the Wrecker repaints of the Combaticons?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2012 10:10:09 GMT
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Post by Nigel on Jul 13, 2012 10:21:39 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 13, 2012 10:30:59 GMT
Oh and just $10 shipping to the UK. It'd be a sin not to wouldn't it? |
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 13, 2012 11:11:20 GMT
And theres no chance of cuta. Amazon pay the fees ahead of time so Parcelforce can go fuck themselves.
So glad I ordered Brut, that packaging is getting displayed.
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Post by Nigel on Jul 13, 2012 11:17:52 GMT
Between the Olympics, Paralympics, Auto Assembly and now a Bruticus preorder, my wallet doesn't like me.  I tried to look at having two in the order, to offset some of the cost by selling one, but they're limited to one per customer. (Or, at least, one per order.) In that box, though, I'd probably be tempted to keep the second one anyway! |
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 13, 2012 11:29:13 GMT
I slightly foolishly decided to order the four Asian generations deluxe off ebay hours before the SDCC reveal, still I'll have them in a few weeks for only about double UK retail. And given Hasbros recent track record I'd rather be sure of a wheelie.
Its not so much Wheelie, but I came to the conclusion that the Jazz mould is probably about as good as Transformers deluxes will ever get. A fine toy in its own right it's also a near perfect update of the original Jazz. With the recent downsizing and simplification I dont see anything matching it outside of deluxed sized Masterpiece figures or until the downsizing brings new voyagers down to the old deluxe size.
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Post by glaug on Jul 13, 2012 13:24:10 GMT
Damn... the one year I want something from SDCC, my friend who's gone every year for the past decade and lives in San Diego isn't going due to family stuff. No SDCC Bruticus for me.
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Post by kayevcee on Jul 13, 2012 13:43:09 GMT
Oh and just $10 shipping to the UK. It'd be a sin not to wouldn't it? $10 for a five deluxe figure giftset? Might be worth keeping that page handy for the next time an eBay US seller tries to charge me $80 to ship something the same size. *cough* Anyway, Bruticus' packaging is quite superb. Sad to see that last year's Unicron seems to be retailing on Amazon marketplace for about three times its RRP. Still, that is Amazon marketplace for you. -Nick |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 13, 2012 14:57:20 GMT
Wow! Some very interesting Generations comming up! VOYAGER Grimlock! Mind you, todays Voyagers are yesterdays deluxes, but hopefully he'll have some size about him! No Trailbreaker though.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 13, 2012 15:11:21 GMT
I think they've done a good job getting a Blaster out of FoC Soundwave without him looking too much like Soundwave. Not sure about the 'cake' cassettes. Why round? Not sure what shape I'd prefer now I think about it, suppose actual cassettes are a tad out dated now.
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