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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Nov 16, 2018 6:46:16 GMT
The thing is the Lib Dem candidate for NES last GE was an absolute joke, no way they were going to pull back any of the Tory votes to weaken Rees Mogg's grip on the constituency, so we're stuck with him. It's all your fault!!! Martin |
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Post by Stomski on Nov 16, 2018 8:10:43 GMT
Yes, I guess in a way I am partly responsible, but that's Democracy for you. |
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Dec 12, 2018 10:06:27 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 12, 2018 10:06:27 GMT
Eyes down for a full House today!
-Ralph
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Dec 12, 2018 10:09:21 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 12, 2018 10:09:21 GMT
Apparently Boris has been losing weight in preparation according to one newspaper.
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Dec 12, 2018 11:05:10 GMT
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 12, 2018 11:05:10 GMT
Farcical.
I don't see her surviving.
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Post by browny87 on Dec 12, 2018 12:59:54 GMT
I am quietly hopeful she will, only because the alternative is abysmal!
in other news I'm starting to save my bottle caps and lids as they are soon to be worth more than the £!!!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 12, 2018 13:03:11 GMT
Apparently Boris has been losing weight in preparation according to one newspaper. Does he have time to lose weight inbetween affairs after his wife told him to get to fook? Awful man! -Ralph |
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Dec 12, 2018 13:04:11 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 12, 2018 13:04:11 GMT
Farcical. I don't see her surviving. BBC tally has her surviving if everyone who has said they will vote for her does so. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 12, 2018 13:36:35 GMT
I think if Im understanding this it almost doesnt matter if she survives or not. We're fooked either way.
Whoever is in charge next month will come with a deal that can't get through parliment same as now and we end up with either hard brexits, election and or a referendum which 50/50 will leave us with the same vote as 2 years ago and the whole things starts again.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 12, 2018 13:44:04 GMT
I am quietly hopeful she will, only because the alternative is abysmal! in other news I'm starting to save my bottle caps and lids as they are soon to be worth more than the £!!! At least I cant see how anyone demanding WTO exit can hope to keep the DUP on side which would surely mean one of the shortest governments on record. If May survives this could keep on going forever, because give her credit, May keeps finding ways to keep on going, even if she is going in circles, blindfolded through a garden full of rakes. Ive started stockpiling Cherry Coke. #priorities. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 12, 2018 16:30:46 GMT
I can see May surviving, which means the Tories will be stuck with her for the wider inevitable post-lack of confidence vote in Parliament emergency General Election.
Tories have the same problem as at their last leadership election - they have nobody the country can unite behind.
Bit like Labour really.
We are indeed fooked.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 12, 2018 23:33:29 GMT
She's survived, but a third of MP's voted against her.
They can't go again for 12 months.
Will Corbyn attempt a no-confidence motion in the government tomorrow? Of course not.
Andy
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Post by browny87 on Dec 12, 2018 23:44:11 GMT
hes right not to tho because he wont win it,
its very different bitching in party than knowing they will lose their jobs
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Dec 12, 2018 23:51:18 GMT
No confidence vote would potentially lead to a general election and if Labour went on a no-Brexit platform they'd win.
However, Corbyn wants out of the EU as much as May.
Andy
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Post by browny87 on Dec 13, 2018 7:48:26 GMT
yeah but we aren't gonna win a no confidence vote so it wont lead to anything!
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 13, 2018 8:06:31 GMT
She's survived, but a third of MP's voted against her. They can't go again for 12 months. Will Corbyn attempt a no-confidence motion in the government tomorrow? Of course not. Andy No. That would involve him actually doing his job. -Ralph |
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Dec 13, 2018 8:41:40 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 13, 2018 8:41:40 GMT
There are enough MPs outside of the Tory party to sink both the Brexit deal and the Government if they tried. The current government has only lasted as long as it has because the opposition parties have been too ineffective themselves to do anything.
Mogg's Men would also still be keen to oust her as well as according to him she suffered a devastating defeat last night and should therefore resign!
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Post by browny87 on Dec 13, 2018 10:34:19 GMT
Whether you like Corbyn or not, a no confidence vote wouldn't go through,
The DUP will never vote against Theresa and the tories because they are in power and would never in any other circumstance get the money and benefits they get now. The Lib Dems didn't break their alliance and that has done nigh on irreparable damage to that party.
There are a lot of Tory MP's who voted against Theresa in the tory election last night but overall when all's said and done they don't want another election as they may lose their seats so they ain't gonna vote against Theresa in that respect.
Look at last night, the brexiteers and ERG were downright convinced that they would oust her and they failed, quite miserably.
I know it would only take 15 Tories/DUP to defect but when their jobs are on the line and the risk of losing power is there they would not vote with Labour against her.
So in all this we keep saying people look weak by not winning these votes, Christ that's the reason she hasn't put that god awful deal to parliament, how weak would all the opposition look by losing the vote, it would just further the tory agenda and issues.
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Post by browny87 on Dec 13, 2018 10:34:58 GMT
She's survived, but a third of MP's voted against her. They can't go again for 12 months. Will Corbyn attempt a no-confidence motion in the government tomorrow? Of course not. Andy No. That would involve him actually doing his job. -Ralph He is doing his job by not losing the vote of no confidence |
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Dec 13, 2018 12:42:59 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 13, 2018 12:42:59 GMT
His job is to OPPOSE whoever is in power. It's what he's paid for. He is literally not doing his job.
-Ralph
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Post by browny87 on Dec 13, 2018 14:13:25 GMT
no that's just downright stupid, his job is not to OPPOSE, its to help govern a country to be successful, if the policies are good then all politicians would agree. When certain laws regarding new instance of bullying, homophobia, Transphobia and racism were passed that means you think he should've opposed them?  ? |
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Dec 13, 2018 15:17:43 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 13, 2018 15:17:43 GMT
The government is gridlocked due to the internal divisions of one party over a tiny voting difference in a purely advisory referendum (secured by transparent lying at the time and outright fraud discovered later).
The job of the Opposition now is to break that deadlock and they cN do that via a vote of no confidence. That's precisely what the mechanism is there for.
They have the votes. All non-Tory parties have said they would support it and many Tories would too - and not just Mogg's Men.
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Post by browny87 on Dec 13, 2018 15:42:19 GMT
i don't believe they would, they wont support a no confidence vote in their own party as it would mean they lose all power
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Dec 13, 2018 16:10:26 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 13, 2018 16:10:26 GMT
The ERG folk are crazy enough to think it will help them attain True Power. And I was meaning not just them but more moderate Tories who see the damage the current situation is doing to their party.
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Post by Bogatan on Dec 13, 2018 18:43:45 GMT
Im with Browny on this, if he does it now he has to rely on ERG members being as mad as they appear to be to win. I don't believe the DUP will vote against until they know there is absolutely no more benefit left from their alliance.
After May loses the vote on the deal at which point there will be a clear deadlock (Im mean the deadlock is clear now, but till the vote there is still a move available which seems to be enough for many to cling to) then a vote of no confidence might actually be supported by either the DUP or remain supporting tories from remain voting areas who wont fear for their seats at the next general election. There will probably be some leave tories willing to argue they did it to try and stop mays watered down brexit.
At that point its any bodies guess, but I wouldnt be surprised by a few moderate tories joining a coalition of every one else long enough to revoke or pause Article 50 for a second referendum followed by a general election. Given Corbyns views Norway+ could happen, though I honestly dont see any version of Brexit getting enough votes without a new referendum to force them to vote for it or take it out of their hands.
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Post by browny87 on Jan 15, 2019 21:06:22 GMT
sadly the no confidence vote wont go through tomorrow, clearly all the bitchy tories will back down and support the government for fear of losing their seats. DUP already announced they will be  |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 15, 2019 21:30:16 GMT
What will it take for May to go??? Just go! Fuck off!
I truly despair at our current political overlords.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 15, 2019 23:37:02 GMT
sadly the no confidence vote wont go through tomorrow, clearly all the bitchy tories will back down and support the government for fear of losing their seats. DUP already announced they will be Might be for the best. A soft brexit or new referendum seem the most likely options either way and Im happy for the tories to completely own their mess. A general election before getting on with that would just be more confusion and distraction. |
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Post by browny87 on Jan 16, 2019 8:56:58 GMT
yeah true, but we are getting on with anything lol
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Jan 16, 2019 10:26:18 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jan 16, 2019 10:26:18 GMT
Ironically I am just about to go to a training session on how to close down projects that have come to a natural end...
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