Batman

[The Doctor]

Jun 24, 2020 15:38:27 GMT Shockprowl said:

Jun 24, 2020 14:48:20 GMT The Doctor said:

Shockprowl, whatever you do, DO NOT READ DK2.

-Ralph

Oh gosh! Ok, Roger that, Doc'.

Andu will tell you otherwise but it is one of THE WORST COMICS OF ALL TIME. It still makes me angry how that was seen fit to be published.

There is a DK3 but I never read it after the shitfest that was DK3. I think DK4 is still coming.

-Ralph

[Shockprowl]

Yikes. Not really researched it. But thanks for the warning.

Andu? Care to counter The Doctor's view?

[Shockprowl]

Anyway, only come on to slow myself down

Batman's fighting Joker.

Joker really is a sick bastard isn't he?

[Shockprowl]

Woaw.

[Shockprowl]

I need a minute after that.

[Shockprowl]

Ok. I'm going for it.


BOOK FOUR.

[Shockprowl]

Umph. That's a big nuclear rocket...

[Shockprowl]

Here we go.


Batman's fighting Superman.

[Shockprowl]

That was the best graphic novel I've ever read.

[Philip Ayres]

It is VERY good. My first ever DC purchase 30 odd years ago.

Have you read Year 1 and Killing Joke?

[Shockprowl]

Yes I read Year One first!


Not bought Killing Joke. It didn't get the best reviews from my Hub Expert Guides (see a couple of pages back).

[Andy Turnbull]

It is very pretty, but ultimately a bit empty and rather mean spirited.

[The Doctor]

It's a deeply unpleasant and nasty read and Moore has never really been brought to book on that due to the very pretty art. Whether it shocks now as much as it did back in the day is debatable as it fits tonally more with what DC is now than what it was back in the day.

Year One is solid if you can get past the dull colouring. Good story.

-Ralph

[Shockprowl]

Yeah, I'll pass on Killing Joke me thinks. I don't like nasty for the sake of it. I want to be entertained!

I snatched 'The Man Who Laughs' on the cheap from ebayus. Not read it yet, but got good reviews.



Hush next.

[Jim]

Has anyone recommended Batman and the Outsiders yet? I started reading that last year, it's quite different to the other titles here. It's a pre-Crisis series where Batman splits from the JLA and end up forming his own, somewhat oddball, team. It's not much like what people think of as a Batman story these days, but for what it does it is really very good, and has art by one of the true great Batman artists, Jim Aparo.

[Andy Turnbull]

Jun 24, 2020 20:12:00 GMT The Doctor said:

It's a deeply unpleasant and nasty read and Moore has never really been brought to book on that due to the very pretty art. Whether it shocks now as much as it did back in the day is debatable as it fits tonally more with what DC is now than what it was back in the day.

Year One is solid if you can get past the dull colouring. Good story.

-Ralph

To be fair Moore disavows it and is aware it's a nasty read now.

Year One - DULL COLOURING? WTF BURNS? WHAT THE ACTUAL F?

[Andy Turnbull]

Jun 24, 2020 21:37:03 GMT Jim said:

Has anyone recommended Batman and the Outsiders yet? I started reading that last year, it's quite different to the other titles here. It's a pre-Crisis series where Batman splits from the JLA and end up forming his own, somewhat oddball, team. It's not much like what people think of as a Batman story these days, but for what it does it is really very good, and has art by one of the true great Batman artists, Jim Aparo.

Then Alan Davis on art - and it's by Mike Barr - the forgotten Batman writer of the 80's. Yes it's pretty good.

[The Doctor]

Jun 24, 2020 21:41:16 GMT Andy Turnbull said:

Jun 24, 2020 20:12:00 GMT The Doctor said:

It's a deeply unpleasant and nasty read and Moore has never really been brought to book on that due to the very pretty art. Whether it shocks now as much as it did back in the day is debatable as it fits tonally more with what DC is now than what it was back in the day.

Year One is solid if you can get past the dull colouring. Good story.

-Ralph

To be fair Moore disavows it and is aware it's a nasty read now.

Year One - DULL COLOURING? WTF BURNS? WHAT THE ACTUAL F?

It took me many goes to power through Year One. The colouring always put me off. It's drab. Vertigo Brown before its time.

The art is also bland.

Great story though.

-Ralph

[jonathan85]

Jun 24, 2020 20:42:55 GMT Shockprowl said:

Yeah, I'll pass on Killing Joke me thinks. I don't like nasty for the sake of it. I want to be entertained!

I snatched 'The Man Who Laughs' on the cheap from ebayus. Not read it yet, but got good reviews.



Hush next.

Haha, I was just about to suggest the Man Who Laughs as a future choice. It's a lot of fun.

[Shockprowl]

Read DKR (look at me with the lingo) Book Four again. It's... It's STUNNING.


The entire graphic novel... not one panel is wasted, not one line, it all adds up to make one feel... I dunno, anxious.


Edge of the seat, baby.

SPOILER: Click to show

I'm really glad new Robin survived. Their relationship was very touching.


And I LOVED Superman in this. The moment where he's dying after the nuclear blast, striving to reach the Sun. His... discussion, with Mother Earth... beautiful.


And the fight between them... Oh mama....

[Shockprowl]

Oh good golly, HUSH is superb!


All the villains, a mysterious over-arching new villain, intriguing plot, Superman, a fight with Superman (yeay!), some really fun twists, and lovely art. Hush is a great 'all-rounder'. Some heavier Batman Lore in there, but not too much to drown a newbie like me.

The Joker is such a freakin' menace! Look at all the terrible things he's done! I knew about the Robin thing, but not the Barbara Gordon thing. Is that in Killing Joke.

Only a couple of episodes left...

[Andy Turnbull]

Jun 24, 2020 16:24:46 GMT Shockprowl said:

Yikes. Not really researched it. But thanks for the warning.

Andu? Care to counter The Doctor's view?

Yes I do, Ralph is a curmudgeon of the highest order.

There is unfortunately a jarring disconnect between Parts 2 and 3 as 9/11 happened and a lot of rewriting had to happen.

Is it on a par with DKR - no, I still enjoy it and it's worth a read.

[The Doctor]

DK2 is the worst comic I have ever read. It looks like a 2-year drew it and coloured it in. How that was seen as fit for publishing by a professional company still boggles my mind. I've had shits that look better.

-Ralph

[Shockprowl]

Jul 2, 2020 13:37:45 GMT The Doctor said:

I've had shits that look better.

....................



oh my god that made me laugh....



oh wow....




I needed that.




And 'T-SHIRT' by the way, Pinwig.




Well. What's a Shockprowl to do? Two people whose opinions of Graphic Novels I value greatly, if not the greatliest, disagreeing in such a... fundamental way.



What's a Shockprowl to do...?




Doc', I think I need to read it. I love DKR so much I... I'll always wonder. And it can't be that bad if Andu likes it...?





But if you could send me a picture of your shit for comparison I'd be very grateful.

[Andy Turnbull]

Jul 2, 2020 13:37:45 GMT The Doctor said:

DK2 is the worst comic I have ever read. It looks like a 2-year drew it and coloured it in. How that was seen as fit for publishing by a professional company still boggles my mind. I've had shits that look better.

-Ralph

No it doesn't. Miller's approach is stripped down and is cartoony and very OTT as the book is meant to be ridiculous, I maintain we got cheated out of the proper ending so we will never know exactly how it should have ended.

[The Doctor]

I am being genuine when I think it's the worst looking professional comic I've read. I still can't believe that was seen as fit for print.

I haven't read DK3 so have no opinions on it.

-Ralph

[The Doctor]

I actually have to shit on a spoon for a GP tomorrow. I'll report back if it looks like Frank Miller's Batman.

-Ralph

[Andy Turnbull]

You be talking crazy.

[Fortmax2020]

I don't think he found out. Unless that's what he meant by 'bobbins'.

[The Doctor]

It did look a lot like DK2.

-Ralph