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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 26, 2008 18:05:30 GMT
Further to a discussion in General Comics: Back Issues I've got a couple of questions: Primarily: Did the Machine Man issue (US18) with Aurora, Northstar and Sasquatch ever get reprinted in TF UK ? Secondly: Is there a list anywhere of which backup strip was in which issue ? And which US issues they're from ? Ta |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 26, 2008 18:31:44 GMT
Yes it did. Issues 18-20 to be exact. TFarchive's UK comic section tells you what back up strip was in each issue. The guide is here. Andy |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2008 18:04:39 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 31, 2014 7:28:04 GMT
Obviously the G.I. Joe stories have all be collected in trades by IDW, and there are a few trades collecting the Rocket Raccoon mini-series. The 'Iron Man 2020' TPB includes the second Machine Man series as well as that one-off with the nuclear bomb and Spider-Man.
Does anyone know of any other trades collecting TFUK back-up strips?
Surprised to see that the Iron Man stories 'Night of the Octopus' and 'From the Ashes' from Marvel Fanfare don't appear to have been reprinted anywhere, nor the first Machine Man series... unless someone can correct me on that. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the others never get reprinted as they were pretty rubbish.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 31, 2014 7:44:08 GMT
Obviously the G.I. Joe stories have all be collected in trades by IDW, and there are a few trades collecting the Rocket Raccoon mini-series. The 'Iron Man 2020' TPB includes the second Machine Man series as well as that one-off with the nuclear bomb and Spider-Man. That's an Amazing Spider Man annual, I think it's in the IM2020 trade. Does anyone know of any other trades collecting TFUK back-up strips? Surprised to see that the Iron Man stories 'Night of the Octopus' and 'From the Ashes' from Marvel Fanfare don't appear to have been reprinted anywhere, nor the first Machine Man series... unless someone can correct me on that. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the others never get reprinted as they were pretty rubbish. Martin The Hercules limited series have, I've got them in a very nice HC that either Ralph or Jim found me. The Iron Man annual (9) vs Sunturion is probably in a volume somewhere but I can't see it in Armor Wars Prologue. Visionaries, Inhumanoids and Spitfire haven't. Machine Man hasn't which is possibly a shame as it's Dikto. And I need the Alpha Flight issue: it's the only pre series Alpha Flight I'm missing! What am I missing? |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 31, 2014 8:00:51 GMT
Headmasters obviously has been!
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Post by primenova on Aug 31, 2014 8:03:24 GMT
I've picked up a STAR comics tpb from York outlet for 49p that reprinted all those stuff from pre #26
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 31, 2014 8:09:34 GMT
Machine Man wouldn't have been Star Comics, it's mainstream Marvel. Get a picture of it for us please Pete.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 31, 2014 10:29:51 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 31, 2014 11:01:47 GMT
Thanks, Phil... but you edited away my post rather than replying to it. Never mind! Yes, those Hercules stories are coming back to me now. They were really scrabbling around for anything with a tenuous robot link to use as a back-up strip, weren't they? I didn't think much of those stories, and still don't rate Herc much as a Marvel superhero, but I did like the bit where he had a drink with Galactus. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 31, 2014 12:47:21 GMT
Oh ****. Sorry!
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Post by primenova on Aug 31, 2014 17:25:16 GMT
You know those planet terry stuff.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 1, 2014 12:34:28 GMT
The Iron Man annual (9) vs Sunturion is probably in a volume somewhere but I can't see it in Armor Wars Prologue. I espied this on Amazon this morning, not yet on the UK site: Iron Man Epic Collection 13: Stark Wars www.amazon.com/Iron-Man-Epic-Collection-Stark/Probably the best Iron Man volume NOT by O'Neill. Includes Armor Wars. Buy it. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 1, 2014 16:58:56 GMT
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 1, 2014 19:57:23 GMT
I've just ordered the Iron Man 2020 trade for less than a tenner from Marketplace, that's worth it for the Machine Man stuff alone and it would seem to be a big chunky book.
It'd be interesting to see Planet Terry as, even though it wasn't very good, Marvel UK apparently heavily jigged the story about to create an ending for the series (in the original comic apparently that's not really his parents but some sort of holograms!).
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 2, 2014 6:37:57 GMT
I've just ordered the Iron Man 2020 trade for less than a tenner from Marketplace, that's worth it for the Machine Man stuff alone and it would seem to be a big chunky book. Yep. It's printed in chronological order from Arno Stark's point of view, beginning with the time-travel / nuclear bomb / Spider-Man story which begins and ends in 2015, then the Machine Man mini-series set in 2020, the Death's Head story and IM2020 sixty-something-page one-shot also in 2020, and the six-part Astonishing Tales story in 2023, rounded off by a What if? story about the 2015 Iron Man being trapped in the past so that none of those other stories happen. In my assessment Machine Man and the 2023 six-parter are excellent, the What if? story (drawn by Manny Galan) is rubbish, the rest is so-so, but it' a good package overall. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 7:34:00 GMT
Barry Windsor Smith and Uncanny X-Men pocketbook stuff moved to tmukhub.proboards.com/post/182784/threadAm I to take it, from Pete's comment above, that Planet Terry was reprinted in early TFUK? Which issues? And how long did Machine Man last? I tweeted James R to see if he had a list of what was reprinted when in TFUK from his Classics researches but he doesn't. He said the cover galleries should indicate where a strip starts and stops, but I've not been able to find Machine Man's end in there. |
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 3, 2014 8:39:48 GMT
In terms of "At a glance" the old TFArchive Marvel guide is probably your best bet as you can scroll down the contents of each issue in groups of 10: www.tfarchive.com/comics/marvel/Original Machine Man ran from issues 1-25. Then, skipping the full TF content of issue 26, Machine Man 2020 ran from #27-42. Planet Terry started during the period where they were struggling to cover the gap between US issues 4 and five and were having to cut the Transformers content of the comic down to five/six pages a fortnight, and lasted from issues #16-25, with a drastically reworked ending created by the UK team. During that same period when the end of Enemy Within and all of Raiders were having to be spread out more than intended they also ran some "From the fact files..." style comics about things like Alcatraz and the Battle of Hastings which were English translations of very old material originally published in Titin comics on the continent back in the 60's and 70's. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 8:51:38 GMT
Ah now that's very useful - thank you!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 9:23:22 GMT
Hmm, think there's a mistake in there with the Machine Man listings. I can't see Kill Me or Cure Me lasting 5 issues. Can someone look at 10-14 and see where Baron Brimstone and his Satan Squad show up?
And ooooooooooooooooo TFUK DID reprint the Alpha Flight issues!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 9:35:16 GMT
| TFUK Issues | Story | US Issues | 001-003 | Byte of the Binary Bug | | 004-005 | Where Walks the Gods | | 006-007 | Xanadu | | 008-009 | The Man Who Could Walk Through Walls | | 010-014 | Kill Me or Cure Me | | 015-017 | Arms & The Robot | | 018-020 | Alone Against Alpha Flight | | 022-025 | Jolted by Jack O'Lantern | | 016-025 | Planet Terry | | 027-030 | He Lives Again | | 031-034 | If This Be A Sanctuary | | 035-038 | Rime of the Ancient Wrecker! | | 039-042 | Victory | | 043-045 | Night of the Octopus | | 046-050 | From the Ashes | |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 10:11:13 GMT
| TFUK Issues | Story | US Issues | 051-054 | A World In Chaos | | 055-057 | Animal Crackers | | 058-061 | Masque of the Red Breath | | 062-065 | The Book of Revelations | | 066-069 | The Age of enlightenment | | 070-073 | Where These Immortals Be | | 074-077 | For the Love of Gods | | 078-081 | Whom the Gods would Destory | | 082-085 | ...Not Just Another Galactus Story! | | 086-090 | Beginnings | | 091-094 | Behmoth | | 095-098 | Counterattack | | 099-102 | Innovations on a Theme | | 103-116 | Coming of the Inhumanoids | | 117-124 | Man of the Year | | 125-129 | Deep Trouble | | 130-133 | Ring of Hate! | | 134-137 | Broken Glass | | 138-141 | Love & Steel | | 142-145 | Brothers in Armour | | 146-152 | Stratosfire | |
The Inhumanoids back up is almost certainly the first few issues run together under the first issue's title |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 10:54:47 GMT
| TFUK Issues | Story | US Issues | 146-152 | Stratosfire | | 153-156 | Slaughter | | 157-160 | Serpentor | | 161 | Action Force: Road Safety - from the Air! & Battle Island | | 162-165 | The Battle for Springfield | | 166-169 | Thunder Machine | | 170-173 | Snap Decisions | | 174-177 | Pit Fall | | 178-181 | Launch Base | | 182 | Combat Colin: Attack of the Killer Penguins | | 183-186 | The Quest for the Four Talismans | | 187-190 | Wings | | 191-194 | Unmaskings | | 195-198 | Jungle Moves | | 199-203 | Hush Job | | 204-207 | Strange Bedfellows | | 208-212 | Desperate Moves | | 213-219 | The End | | 220-224 | Divergent Paths | | 225-229 | Cross Purposes | | 230-235 | Air Show | | 236-240 | Beginnings... and Endings | | 241-245 | Evasion | | 245 | GI Joe: The Action Force: Divided We Fall | | 246-247 | Law of the Jungle | | 248-253 | The Lower Depths | |
That Visionaries story *MIGHT* be issues 1 & 2 judging by the length |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 11:04:18 GMT
And finally | TFUK Issues | Story | US Issues | 254-257 | Transit | | 258-261 | Going Under | | 262-265 | Manoeuvring for Position | | 266-269 | Shuttle Complex | | 270-273 | The Tenth Letter | | 274-277 | Cold Snap | | 278-281 | Cut & Freeze Dried | | 282-285 | Into the Breach | | 286-289 | Fair Trade | | 290-293 | Bail Out | | 294-297 | Stiletto | | 298-301 | Divided We Fall | | 302-305 | Alliance of Convenience | | 309-312 | He Lives Again | | 318-321 | If This Be A Sanctuary | | 322-325 | Rime of the Ancient Wrecker! | | 326-329 | Victory | |
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Post by primenova on Sept 3, 2014 11:56:52 GMT
We only got gijoe #44-74. It felt more than that with not reading any of it.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 12:02:30 GMT
And here's the entire lot again with links to the most recent TPB printing |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 12:06:54 GMT
We only got gijoe #44-74. It felt more than that with not reading any of it. You missed out then. Fine, fine comic. |
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 3, 2014 16:18:53 GMT
Top work Sir, I did know someone who did an at a glance flow chart of the contents of each issue a few years ago but I'm long out of touch with them and have no idea what happened to it. Hmm, think there's a mistake in there with the Machine Man listings. I can't see Kill Me or Cure Me lasting 5 issues. Can someone look at 10-14 and see where Baron Brimstone and his Satan Squad show up? And ooooooooooooooooo TFUK DID reprint the Alpha Flight issues! A quick look at 10 and 14 shows the start and the end of a Machine Man story, as we're into Enemy Within at that point this is probably where the strip lengths got a bit erratic. Cliffy, the chap who wrote the TFA guide, is deeply embarrassed by it now though as he thinks it's antiquated and creaking at the seems (and is also annoyed that, pre-Roberts' work, a lot of his mistakes had become fact online, so there probably are mistakes in there in places though). Inhumanoids was apparently the entire US series, the reprints stop when they'd caught up with the most recent American bi-monthly issue but the assumption from where I've reached (#120) is that the series will be returning for four issues after Iron Man 2020 before Headmasters starts in 130, but as the American book was cancelled this goes out the window and the thing ends on a massive cliffhanger you need to watch the TV series to resolve. Normally I'd blow my own trumpet here and recommend my own site, but whilst I talk about the back ups in each issue it's not very helpful for quickly telling what the contents are as I do go on a bit (plus I'm not even halfway through yet). |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 3, 2014 17:29:06 GMT
Hmm, think there's a mistake in there with the Machine Man listings. I can't see Kill Me or Cure Me lasting 5 issues. Can someone look at 10-14 and see where Baron Brimstone and his Satan Squad show up? And ooooooooooooooooo TFUK DID reprint the Alpha Flight issues! A quick look at 10 and 14 shows the start and the end of a Machine Man story, as we're into Enemy Within at that point this is probably where the strip lengths got a bit erratic. They'd been running at between 2 & 3 issues per US tale so it looks a bit odd that story taking 5 issues and the next one being skipped. If anyone's got the issues can they look at it and see how many pages of MM there are in each issue and if Baron Brimstone shows up? Incredibly the Baron Brimstone issue is the one floppy issue of Machine Man I had. Another question is why start Machine Man at MM#11 in TFUK#1? Had another Marvel UK title been running it before "Fantastic news for your comic!" struck? Cliffy, the chap who wrote the TFA guide, is deeply embarrassed by it now though as he thinks it's antiquated and creaking at the seems (and is also annoyed that, pre-Roberts' work, a lot of his mistakes had become fact online, so there probably are mistakes in there in places though). I spotted a couple where I went through that he'd not properly signalled the start of a backup strip and c&p'd the entry for the previous issue. Inhumanoids was apparently the entire US series, the reprints stop when they'd caught up with the most recent American bi-monthly issue but the assumption from where I've reached (#120) is that the series will be returning for four issues after Iron Man 2020 before Headmasters starts in 130, but as the American book was cancelled this goes out the window and the thing ends on a massive cliffhanger you need to watch the TV series to resolve. Confession time: I had Inhumanoids in US floppy. Well the last 3 issues, I was missing the first and was pleased when TFUK printed it. It's been a few years since I last had them side by side but I'm reasonably certain they DIDN'T print the fourth issue. But I might be thinking of Spitfire where TFUK got deprived of Todd McFarlane's Marvel debut. They'd have to wait 127 issues for more McFarlane! I know we looked at the GI Joe backup previously, I'll dig that out and check against what we came up with there. |
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Post by inflatabledalek on Sept 3, 2014 20:27:40 GMT
Indeed, havkng now been not so lazy and checked every issue, Machine Man's misadventures with the Fantastic Four are split neatly in half with the whole original US issue in 110 and 111, whilst Baron Brimstone filled the next three. Crazy times in the book indeed.
In terms of other errors, Inhumanoids actually ended in 118 rather than 116, and 16 issues would have covered all four of the American series.
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