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Post by Fortmax2020 on Nov 16, 2017 23:08:15 GMT
Skynet cannot hide there forever. The TV Detector Vans will find him.
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Post by primenova on Nov 17, 2017 12:25:23 GMT
But it's in the US so the BBC are going to chase him for £150 a year
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 17, 2017 13:24:13 GMT
That must be the plot of Terminator 6 then.
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Nov 24, 2017 22:21:33 GMT
Saw this finally the other night on the telly. Well, except for the last 20 mins 'cos post-nightshiftness made me bloody fall asleep! But anyway, it was, errr, well, ok. I didn't really get it, or see the point of it. I am watching out for it being on again though, so I can watch the end.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 18, 2021 7:14:09 GMT
Again and again I keep hearing people say 'Dark Fate is even worse than Genisys', making me think now might be the right time to once more suggest that Genisys deserves more credit than it received from folk at the time. I also think this because I've recently re-watched the original Terminator film, and it has not aged well at all.
I would like to propose that story-wise, Genisys (film 5 out of 6 to date) is a better sequel to T2: Judgment Day than any of films 3, 4 or 6.
My logic:
The lesson of 'The Terminator' is that the future is fixed and Judgment Day is coming.
The lesson of T2 is that the future is _not_ fixed and Judgment Day can be avoided.
The lesson of Genisys is that with time-travel, as the machines always realised, not even the past is fixed, never mind the future.
'The Terminator' is about how scary Arnie is as an indestructible killing machine, and not much else.
T2 is partly about how scary the T-1000 is as an even more indestructible killing machine, but it's a far better film because of the young John Connor-Arnie relationship/double-act.
Genisys lacks the tension and scariness of the above two films, but plays a lot more in the time-travel sandbox, starting with the premise of the original film and turning it on its head, as we see events unfold from the viewpoint of the time-traveller, with Sarah Connor and an older Arnie being the confident heroes.
In 'The Terminator', Sarah Connor is a damsel in distress that stuff happens around, and who gets told what's going on by a knowledgeable friend from the future.
In T2, Sarah Connor is a hard-as-nails and fatalistic survivalist mother, who has to adjust her thinking about machines and fate, again as a result of a knowledgeable friend from the future, this time a friendly Terminator rather than a human.
In Genisys, the supposedly knowledgeable friend from the future find he is the clueless one that stuff happens around, and Sarah Connor is the one who knows what's going on and has to explain stuff to him, because both the past and the future have now been rewritten. She's neither a damsel in distress nor a haggard fatalist, but rather someone who has a plan and a friend in her own Terminator.
In 'The Terminator', Kyle Reese (the hero) says "Come with me if you want to live" to Sarah Connor.
In T2, Arnie (the hero) says "Come with me if you want to live" to Sarah Connor.
In Genisys, Sarah Connor (the heroine) says "Come with me if you want to live" to Kyle Reese.
I like this plot progression.
Martin
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 18, 2021 9:53:49 GMT
I've been thinking for a while I need to reappraise the Terminator films. I've always loved the first two and have 1-5 on DVD, but haven't seen Dark Fate. I went looking for a handy dandy 1-6 BR set to get all the ducks in a row, but I don't think there is one. I'm intrigued by your thinking, I need to bunk this up the priority list.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 18, 2021 9:59:38 GMT
5 and 6 are shite.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Apr 18, 2021 10:15:59 GMT
I liked Salvation, but I don't think I've seen any of the other post T2 sequels in entirety.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 18, 2021 10:32:59 GMT
Well this is the thing. I'm pretty sure I enjoyed five, but I'm not sure I can remember it well enough to make it distinct from four. I need to rewind a bit and have another look.
Having looked at a few sites I see the consensus is that there are three parallel timelines:
The Terminator —- Terminator 2 —- Terminator 3 —- Terminator Salvation
The Terminator —- Terminator Genisys
The Terminator —- Terminator 2 —- Terminator: Dark Fate
Martin, are you saying that 5 is thematically a better sequel to the first two films regardless of chronology, or that it does fit chronologically after T2? I'm just trying to work out a watching order.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 18, 2021 10:42:08 GMT
Genisys begins with the final battles of the future war, with stirring music as John Connor and Kyle Reese who are Real American Heroes triumph over the machines, and all that remains is for Reese to fulfil his destiny by going back in time and saving John's Mum from the first Terminator, so that she can fall in love with him and have his baby, who will become Hero of the Universe. So he goes back in time, and finds that that's all bollocks, she doesn't need saving but instead saves him from a T-1000 (which he's never heard of), the future he remembers never happens, John Connor is irrelevant, and all Reese can do is try to make himself useful and keep up with Sarah and her Terminator guardian.
One thing I've been mulling over with Genisys is, the original Terminator future was erased when Sarah's parents got killed and she got raised by Arnie ('Pops'), and yet visitors still keep arising on schedule from the erased future. So Sarah and her Terminator are waiting for the original Terminator and Kyle Reese in 1984 even though their future has already been erased. Then when they've killed the bad Terminators in 1984 they time-jump forward to 2017 to stop Genisys. BUT if visitors can still arrive from erased futures, then surely the T-1000 from T2 will still turn up in 1995 (the year T2 is set), looking to kill the boy John Connor and Sarah in the mental hospital. So it turns up in 1995, and finds John Connor doesn't exist and Sarah has vanished off the face of the Earth (because she's jumped forward past that decade). So what does it do?
I guess 'Pops' could be waiting to kill it when it arrives, but if not, what are the T-1000's orders if it finds its prey don't even exist?
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 18, 2021 10:49:04 GMT
Having looked at a few sites I see the consensus is that there are three parallel timelines: The Terminator —- Terminator 2 —- Terminator 3 —- Terminator Salvation The Terminator —- Terminator Genisys The Terminator —- Terminator 2 —- Terminator: Dark Fate Martin, are you saying that 5 is thematically a better sequel to the first two films regardless of chronology, or that it does fit chronologically after T2? I'm just trying to work out a watching order. Yes, you've got the timelines right. The events of Genisys mean most of The Terminator and all of T2, T3 and T4 never happen. But you still have to watch the first two films before Genisys, because Genisys _starts_ in the future of the first timeline. And it's a progression on themes introduced in T2, such as the T-1000 and the possibility of a friendly Terminator being a given. If someone watches films 1 and 5, not only do they miss the best film (the second one), but also 5 (Genisys) is too much of a thematic jump from 1, because you are expected to just accept a friendly Terminator, and the T-1000 liquid metal series, without the proper introduction to those concepts that T2 provides. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 18, 2021 10:53:23 GMT
Possible viewing orders:
T1 and stop.
T1, T2 and stop. (Many fans would recommend this, as you stop after the best one.)
T1, T2, T3, T4. The original movie timeline in full, even though it gets progressively crapper as it goes on.
T1, T2, T5. (My preferred trilogy. T5 wipes out most of the events of T1 and T2, but they remain relevant.)
T1, T2, T6. Worse than T1-T4.
All of them.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 18, 2021 12:43:09 GMT
T1. Stop.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 18, 2021 13:50:28 GMT
So really, the most sensible way to watch all six films is in release order, acknowledging that five tacks onto two as a parallel timeline and then six tacks onto two as a separate parallel timeline. I think I can handle that.
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Post by KnightBeat on Apr 18, 2021 23:53:22 GMT
T1, T2, Sarah Connor Chronicles works as well {Spoiler}The conclusion to this story arc would be a little disappointing - the SCC TV series was cancelled on a cliffhanger where John Connor is transported to a future in which he wasn't present during judgement day (due to being in the future). As a result, he doesn't become a resistance leader, there's presumably no need to send a terminator back in time to kill him, and the events depicted in T1, T2 and SCC cease to exist. Er... Possibly...
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Post by Stomski on Apr 19, 2021 11:15:10 GMT
I don't remember anything that happened in Genisys. I'm pretty sure I've seen it though. The synopsys actually seems interesting, I guess it wasn't.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 19, 2021 18:27:53 GMT
The scene where the timelines of 1 and 5 part ways
Was re-shot with a twist that they hoped would fool our gaze.
And all those hundreds of deaths in film number one
Were avoided by a single shot from a rather nifty gun.
Martin
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