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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2021 22:09:28 GMT
There's been a rumour doing the rounds of Transmetal reissues for a month or two now.
Whichever way you cut it, Cheetor is a deluxe.
IF the line is Transmetal, as rumoured, that would then mean $50 for a Mega sized toy. Which looks a bit much as traditionally Megas were about 1.5 x the deluxe price.
The only other realistic option for Megaron and Optimus being the same price is for them to be the original Ultras, which were traditionally 2 x the deluxe price.
Knowing the price on the Rattrap would help guide us....
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2021 22:26:31 GMT
Did the Prime reissue box go down as Generations? Seems weird to have the original moulds and the Generations ones in the same line. By vintage could it just be the new moulds in old toy colours?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2021 22:43:48 GMT
If that were the case, then Megatron, a Leader, and Optimus, a Voyager, wouldn't be the same price
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 24, 2021 22:48:26 GMT
Oh I see, yes. Blimey. Could they do the original Megatron for the same price as the new one? I suppose it's got no development cost.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 24, 2021 23:07:49 GMT
It's either original Ultra or Transmetal Mega for them to be the same price.
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Post by Toph on Feb 24, 2021 23:10:06 GMT
Yeah, I considered them being Kingdoms repainted in original toy decoes. But like you said, Primal shoots that down.
Unless there was major refurbishment going on, it's a bit unreasonable to expect the BW equivalent of a Voyager to be $50. I mean, Walmart's Blaster didn't even cost that.
A $10/12 Rattrap certainly shows these are the wave 1 molds. But a $22 deluxe Rattrap doesn't indicate they'll all be Transmetals, though.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 24, 2021 23:38:05 GMT
Could maybe be Primal Prime and TM2 Megatron?
The Price feel right for the original Ultras (or TM2), but TM feel like a more sensible choice even if the price seems high.
If it was original Cheetor that would likely see Walmart with 2 versions of Kingdom Cheetor and the reissue on the shelf at the same time. I mean they've done stupider things, but that still seems questionable.
How much was the reissue G1 Prime?
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2021 0:43:53 GMT
G1 toys are a different beast entirely. They were always expensive for what they were, even back then.
But the last Optimus reissue, without the trailer, sold for $50.
But there's no real logic to jacking up BW megas to modern leader price point.
And there's also only one unsubstantiated rumor that ever suggested transmetals. TM2 ultras would make little sense, because when you're begging for G1 reissues (assuming the line was ignored like BW has been), you're going to want a 1984 Optimus reissue before you want the actionmaster.
Plus if Kingdom kicks off the nostalgia buying like hasbro hopes (like all bw fans hope), those people will want the OGs.
These can't be anything except the original wave 1 ultras.
They were also the most recently used, when Takara kicked off the Legends line.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 25, 2021 7:00:44 GMT
Could maybe be Primal Prime and TM2 Megatron? The Price feel right for the original Ultras (or TM2), but TM feel like a more sensible choice even if the price seems high. Optimal Optimus & Primal Prime were both a size up from the ultras. TM2 Megatron's Ultra companion was Tigerhawk. So it's not TM2. |
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Post by The Huff on Feb 25, 2021 8:22:19 GMT
What are the recent Headmasters called? Vintage or Retro?
That might tell us. I'd assume Retro would mean new toys in the old style whereas Vintage should mean the original toys remade in old packaging.
How does that work in Star Wars at the moment? I've seen the old toys on old style cards and new toys on old style cards.
I guess I'm online so should look all this up myself...
Edit: Hmm. The Headmasters are listed as Vintage not Retro.
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2021 17:25:16 GMT
Yeah, "Vintage" doesn't really mean anything, anymore.
IMO, it should only apply to the originals. Not new toys designed to look like the originals, not reissues of the originals (though I'll accept that use as a toyline).
But between Hasbro and Mattel, they've just completely trashed any meaning of the word.
But because of Primal being $50, I just can't see these being Kingdom repaints.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 25, 2021 17:30:55 GMT
They must be the rumoured Transmetal re-issues. Yes, the price on the two team leader Megas is insane but just look at the recent Optimus Prime cab re-issue as a comparison.
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Post by Toph on Feb 25, 2021 18:53:20 GMT
The two aren't equivalent. G1 Optimus has always been an extremely expensive toy. Lots of extra parts, lots of die cast and rubber. Lots of moving parts compared to other G1 toys.
The only thing that puts a transmetal over a "normal" toy is the vac-metallized parts (which G1 optimus has too), and back in the day that seemed to fit in the regular budget just fine. So Transmetal Optimus wasn't any more expensive than Inferno or Scorponok before him.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 25, 2021 19:44:13 GMT
Well I won't be needing those. My original TM Primal & Megs are still MISB. Never got round to them. I fear even touching the Megatron box in case the tail snaps off.
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Post by The Huff on Feb 25, 2021 19:58:55 GMT
£50 for a cab only Optimus is still insane in my opinion.
And it's not beyond Hasbro to charge something crazy just because it's an older mould and marked up as 'Vintage.' . I mean, look at the original price for the platinum Trypticon - and that TF The Movie set of Generations figures.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 26, 2021 0:06:00 GMT
Well I won't be needing those. My original TM Primal & Megs are still MISB. Never got round to them. I fear even touching the Megatron box in case the tail snaps off. Then you'll be needing a safe to open TM Megatron then! |
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Post by Toph on Feb 26, 2021 0:20:10 GMT
A $50 transmetal megatron reissue would be a lot cheaper than trying to source an original Metals TM Megatron
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Post by Stomski on Feb 26, 2021 7:32:21 GMT
Then you'll be needing a safe to open TM Megatron then! Are we saying key or combination lock? Thank you, I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your Grimlock. |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 26, 2021 23:21:06 GMT
Well I won't be needing those. My original TM Primal & Megs are still MISB. Never got round to them. I fear even touching the Megatron box in case the tail snaps off. Then you'll be needing a safe to open TM Megatron then! Up your pipe, laddie! |
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Post by Toph on Mar 10, 2021 0:14:26 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 11, 2021 17:32:24 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 11, 2021 18:16:16 GMT
I have explained to my other half that I need them.
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Mar 12, 2021 8:04:29 GMT
Pretty sure it's mandated by law.
Primal and Cheetor I already have, but I may have to finally pick up a Rattrap. Even though I just got the Kingdom version.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 12, 2021 10:01:57 GMT
I have zero need for Kingdom BW Megs when I can get this one.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 12, 2021 11:39:39 GMT
Kingdom Megs is not a toy for Ralph
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Post by Stomski on Mar 12, 2021 12:46:04 GMT
This one has a squirty mouth!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 12, 2021 13:05:03 GMT
Kingdom Megs is not a toy for Ralph So I have heard. Worry not: I don't want one now this reissue is coming out. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Mar 12, 2021 14:31:48 GMT
Kingdom Megs is not a toy for Ralph I am never transforming him again! Though I've never seen another outside of the one I have, I'm actually considering getting another to put in beast mode perminantly. |
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 12, 2021 23:02:59 GMT
I've got these four so I don't need them again, but I'd far rather be buying these ones than the Generations ones.
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Post by Llama God on Mar 13, 2021 9:01:39 GMT
Eh, both are good. The originals are great toys, the Generations ones have better sculpting and poseability, so between them they cover all bases. Although I think if I had to choose I'd choose the originals, because given another ten years there'll be other iterations of the characters along, I don't doubt...
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