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Post by Bogatan on Apr 12, 2021 0:23:34 GMT
Yup a definite change to advertise the next wave.  |
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Post by Toph on Apr 12, 2021 0:36:07 GMT
Those three were Wave 3 '96
Grimlock was Wave 3 '97
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 12, 2021 6:47:31 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 12, 2021 6:48:06 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 12, 2021 7:40:22 GMT
Those three were Wave 3 '96 Grimlock was Wave 3 '97 Or, as they're known to European fans, the four we DIDN'T get despite two of them being in the cartoon! (As a Bonus UK fans also missed out on Wolfang!) That's probably why they're in our minds as being together. The BW repaints occupy an interesting spot in terms of the unexpected success of the line and the transition from year round availability to multiple waves |
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Post by Toph on Apr 12, 2021 8:27:23 GMT
I'd thought buzzsaw was in '97 with Grimlock, myself.
I remember finding Grimlock around the same time as Airazor.
I guess that was my brain filing something under specific logic- the two repaints that got used early season one were 96, while the two that weren't used was 97.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 8:54:39 GMT
Oh oh oh! Were Hasbro UK playing silly buggers with which toys came out even at that point? Which 96/97 BW toys did we not get here? I'd like to match that to the toys I own to see if the ones I'm missing weren't in TRU anyway.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 12, 2021 10:20:33 GMT
The story of BW in the UK and Europe is not simple..... Beast Wars starts in the US in 96. In 1997 BW toys appear in Europe. A one year delay is not uncommon for toys in the UK & Europe at this time. We *believe* the initial line up is: Optimus Primal vs Megatron basic vs pack
Basics: Iguanus, Rattrap, Razorbeast & Terrorsaur *, Insecticon, Snapper & Armordillo
Deluxe: Cheetor, Dinobot, Tarantulas & Waspinator *, Rhinox & Wolfang* There *MAY* be earlier Euro assortments of both those sizes with just the first four toys on the list Mega: Polar Claw & Scorponok
Ultra: Optimus Primal & Megatron In 1997 BW toys did not appear in the UK. I had a friend going over to France and scooping up AniMutants carded toys while his Mrs was buying the booze. That's how I acquired my Optimus Primal Ultra. In late 97/early 98 the Deluxe lineup drops Wolfang, actually not the silliest decision as he's not in the show, repacks one of each of the other w1 deluxe toys with 1 x Jetstorm and 2 x Cybershark. In early 98 AFTER this change the UK gets the line complete with the w2 deluxe assortment and cardbacks for the repacks still showing Wolfang! Optimus Primal vs Megatron basic vs pack
Basics: Iguanus, Rattrap, Razorbeast, Terrorsaur, Insecticon, Snapper & Armordillo
Deluxe: Cheetor, Dinobot, Tarantulas, Waspinator, Rhinox, Jetstorm, 2 x Cybershark.
Mega: Polar Claw & Scorponok
Ultra: Optimus Primal & Megatron Not long after Inferno is added to the Mega, an additional Ultra assortment with the combiners is added and the Basics loose Armordillo in favour of Airazor, Clawjaw & Razorclaw Basics: Iguanus, Rattrap, Razorbeast, Terrorsaur, Insecticon, Snapper & Airazor, Clawjaw & Razorclaw
Deluxe: Cheetor, Dinobot, Tarantulas, Waspinator, Rhinox, Jetstorm, 2 x Cybershark
Mega: Polar Claw, Scorponok & Inferno
Ultra: Optimus Primal & Megatron
Combining Ultras: Magnaboss & Tripredicus Shortly after the assortments then get revamped again: Basics: Clawjaw, Razorclaw, Snarl, Maximal Slapper, Powerpinch, Drillbit & Lazorbeak
Deluxe: Jetstorm, Cybershark, Retrax, K-9, Bonecrusher & Manterror
Mega: Inferno, B'Boom & Transquito
Ultra: Optimus Primal & Megatron
Combining Ultras: Magnaboss & Tripredicus Most of the show characters are gone, several non show characters are overpacked and shelfwarming, notably Clawjaw and Cybershark with some assistance from Inferno who was in the show, and there's no sign of the show repaint, Tigatron & Blackarachnia or the G1 named Buzzsaw & Grimlock. Thankfully the earliest UK dlx assortment would occasionally show up in Woolworths but would vanish like that! Demand for BW toys led to a mass of grey imports Christmas 97, including early arriving Fuzors and an amount of the AWOL Grimlock in TRU. *THAT* was a very good day. At the end of 98 Transmetals appeared just before Christmas.... As TMII was hitting the US. Do I need to go further and speak of 1999 & 200, which kind of sees the UK draw level before flushing it all down the khazi? So some of this is Hasbro UK's fault for joining the party late, |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 10:50:58 GMT
No! That's more than enough. So really, all the figures did come out but not necessarily in the waves they did originally in the US.
I think finishing BW years 1 & 2 will have to be the next project after I've amassed all the RiD figures I'm after. I'm all about completing sets at the moment and when it comes to BW 96/97 it's half the basics & deluxes I'm missing.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 12, 2021 11:01:47 GMT
No! That's more than enough. So really, all the figures did come out but not necessarily in the waves they did originally in the US. Well apart from Tigatron, Blackarachnia, Buzzsaw and Grimlock, the only pure repaint deluxes |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 15:59:59 GMT
That would account for why I don't have those four then, interesting. That brings me closer to being UK complete...
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 12, 2021 17:09:48 GMT
Those three were Wave 3 '96 Grimlock was Wave 3 '97 Or, as they're known to European fans, the four we DIDN'T get despite two of them being in the cartoon! (As a Bonus UK fans also missed out on Wolfang!) That's probably why they're in our minds as being together. The BW repaints occupy an interesting spot in terms of the unexpected success of the line and the transition from year round availability to multiple waves My confusion is less to do with UK distribution. June 1996, holiday in Florida, buys all the first wave of Beast Wars toys. August 1997, holiday in Canada, buys all the second wave/series/lineup.... except Grimlock, BA, Buzzsaw and Tigertron. As a result Ive always assumed they were a single wave released in the 14 months between holidays. June 2007, walks in to Botcon dealer room and first thing I see is a table filled with Beast Wars. See Botcon 97 Fractyl and Packrat, ask how much. $75.... Mine. See the four repaints, ask how much. I think $10 or $15 each. Mine. Still my favourite purchase from any convention. Almost certainly saw the Mutants on the table. Didn't ask. Price went insane over the next decade. Still dont have Mutants. Sad. |
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 12, 2021 17:12:15 GMT
Looking at Freds Workshop Im a little surprised I didnt see Grimlock as he should still have been in rotation at that point.
Also I realy really need to get to the rest of my Beast Wars and find out how many rock bubbles I have. And which version of Cheetor.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 18:35:14 GMT
Turns out I have all of the images Phil wants. These are 300dpi scans straight off the cards, but they look awful. Possibly because of the finish on the actual cards. I can have a fiddle with the scan settings.
edit: yes, scrub those. I can get them better than that.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 18:58:21 GMT
Try again. Obviously click on it for the full size 600dpi version. These are high res enough that you can see the problem trying to scan them, the original printing is sub-magazine quality.  |
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 19:08:06 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 12, 2021 19:17:29 GMT
I wonder why Razorbeast and Iguanus didn't make the cartoon cut.
If they had we could have had RB starring in Cyberverse and currently be excitedly wondering if the newly announced Kingdom Iguanus means we'll be getting a Selects Gator Megatron.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 19:19:53 GMT
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 19:31:46 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 12, 2021 19:40:28 GMT
I wonder why Razorbeast and Iguanus didn't make the cartoon cut. Did the computer animation of the time make size of robot cast a cost-limiting factor in a way that wasn't the case for hand-drawn animation back in 1984? Martin |
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Post by Toph on Apr 12, 2021 19:51:37 GMT
I wonder why Razorbeast and Iguanus didn't make the cartoon cut. Budget. If they'd made it in, two others would have had to be cut. Probably Tigatron and Blackarachnia, as I'm sure they were chosen because it's cheaper to remodel Cheetor and Tarantulas, rather than make entirely new models. In fact, we may not have had two new characters at all, if repaints hadn't been an option. I'm less sure about this, and it's just speculation, but I also believe that there is a budgetary upper end to how many character models they could use. Which would explain why Tarantulas spent so much time going rogue and not being around, and why Tigatron and Airazor rarely visited. And why characters routinely were killed off to make room for new characters. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 12, 2021 19:58:54 GMT
And why Beast Wars never had a battle scene like this...
Megatron: "Impossible! Budget overload! Retreat!"
Martin
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Post by Toph on Apr 12, 2021 20:23:07 GMT
Something I hadn't thought about until today, is that the episodes that had the entire cast in them were usually the "big" episodes, like The Agenda, and Dinobot's death.
Not unheard of, but it was rare for filler episodes to have all the maximals and all the predacons.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 20:34:55 GMT
At that time I was working in 3D. The tools were primitive compared to today to say the least. Time and money would be the concerns. Rendering animation took a long time, even on big dedicated workstations and the more complex the image, the longer it would take. Creating character models would also be a long and involved process.
Takes me back. In 1996 I finished a Masters in 3D animation and got my first full time job working in 3D. Those were the days...
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 12, 2021 21:02:09 GMT
I was more thinking about if Rattrap and terrorsaur had been cut instead. I guess I can see Terrorsaur being seen as a more interesting alt mode because flying. And theres more mileage in rats than warthogs, but at that point I imagine it largely came down to the shows creators.
Hasbro would have wanted a range of price point characters and probably more from the expensive end,(and probably wanted Ape Primal over bat Primal) but were there were more toys than character slots I guess the shows creators chose which means if one of them was a big fan of warthogs or iguanas then theres no reason the show couldnt have gone that way.
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Post by Pinwig on Apr 12, 2021 21:12:40 GMT
The Lion King was 1994, maybe Pumba was too fresh in the mind as a slapstick comedy character for warthogs.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 12, 2021 21:12:43 GMT
PUNGINATOR!
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Apr 13, 2021 7:19:45 GMT
I could have sworn the Beast Wars toys appeared here in 1997, but then that was just me mis-remembering when my second year of University started, and yes, it was 1998. Ah, if only I'd actually had a disposable income at that time...
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Post by Dezzeh on Apr 13, 2021 10:58:36 GMT
I had a full run of Beast Wars, picked up the wave 1's released here and used them as trade bait for the US as their values were so high!
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Post by The Huff on Apr 13, 2021 15:59:40 GMT
I remember waiting in 1996 for the toys to be released in the UK....
and then 1997 came and still nothing.....
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