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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 5, 2021 10:19:44 GMT
Yes, to show the spine of the spider and the head pivot of the wasp.
They add weight to the argument the pictures make cos there's something interesting going on here that you don't normally see on toys of this size
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Post by The Huff on Jun 5, 2021 14:23:52 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 5, 2021 15:03:24 GMT
I am lusting after your Blackarachnia
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 5, 2021 17:48:36 GMT
HAIRY BEE OOO KOMBAT!
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Jun 5, 2021 19:03:13 GMT
Ew.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 6, 2021 10:24:53 GMT
HAIR OH EEK MAX-I-MAL KOM-BAT!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 6, 2021 17:43:48 GMT
Im fast approaching 25 years since I began my Beast Wars collection so I decided it was time to begin filling the last obvious gap in my collection, the one group I have no representatives of. Yes it time to buy some Beast Wars Mutants.
A bid has been placed on a junker. Im very excited.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 6, 2021 19:11:13 GMT
Used some birthday pennies to order an Armada Rhinox. Never had one. Looking forward to it arriving.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 6, 2021 22:54:51 GMT
Just remembered that there is another gap in my Beast Wars collection. A Taco Bell Animorph toy or two must also be acquired. Mostly because I want a transforming Aardvark.
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 6, 2021 22:55:49 GMT
"Transforming" is a stretch.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 7, 2021 19:56:45 GMT
I'm poking a problem I have with the BW toyline, that might shed some light on things that happened early doors. But to do that I want to be quite sure of my facts from a fictional point of view. We generally accept Dinobot as a Predacon defector. But it's not on his original bio: www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/index.php?cat=BeastWars&group=Maximals&char=DinobotSo am I right in thinking the point that this is established is in the Cartoon, which started some time after the toyline, and not before?
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Post by Toph on Jun 7, 2021 20:38:50 GMT
Well at this point, Optimus Primal was Optimus Prime, and Waspinator was a badass. Everything we take for granted plot wise was created for and established by the show.
And since Dinobot's bio does not specifically state that he was a Predacon, it's a safe bet that plotpoint was created by the show as well. My guess is that it was probably done by the writers as a way to justify why the maximals have a random dinosaur. (Maximals= all warm blooded animals+fish Predacons= all cold blooded animals+crabs+dinosaurs)
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 7, 2021 21:02:37 GMT
Well at this point, Optimus Primal was Optimus Prime, and Waspinator was a badass. Everything we take for granted plot wise was created for and established by the show. And since Dinobot's bio does not specifically state that he was a Predacon, it's a safe bet that plotpoint was created by the show as well. That was my thinking as well, thank you. My guess is that it was probably done by the writers as a way to justify why the maximals have a random dinosaur. (Maximals= all warm blooded animals+fish Predacons= all cold blooded animals+crabs+dinosaurs) There might be a bit more to it than that. All the pre TM Deluxe and Mega toys have another distinguishing feature: Only the Predacons have clear plastic *EXCEPT* Dinobot So I'm looking and thinking "Was Dinobot originally designed as a Predacon in the toyline too?" We know the Cheetor was delayed from w1.... what if Rhinoz and Wolfang were *also* originally in tended for w1 and *also* delayed? So was the original intention 3 solid warm bloodied Maximals vs 3 clear plastic cold blooded Predacons? *SOMETHING* happens to delay the Maximals, we know Cheetor has his guns redesigned but still looks like being ready earlier than the other two. Confronted with a w1 that's looking like 3 Predacon deluxe vs 1 Maximal deluxe they opt to have Dinobot change sides as a toy which *then* sets his fictional story in motion?
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 7, 2021 21:13:14 GMT
Surely they are ALL Optimus Prime!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jun 7, 2021 22:08:10 GMT
Well at this point, Optimus Primal was Optimus Prime, and Waspinator was a badass. Everything we take for granted plot wise was created for and established by the show. And since Dinobot's bio does not specifically state that he was a Predacon, it's a safe bet that plotpoint was created by the show as well. That was my thinking as well, thank you. My guess is that it was probably done by the writers as a way to justify why the maximals have a random dinosaur. (Maximals= all warm blooded animals+fish Predacons= all cold blooded animals+crabs+dinosaurs) There might be a bit more to it than that. All the pre TM Deluxe and Mega toys have another distinguishing feature: Only the Predacons have clear plastic *EXCEPT* Dinobot So I'm looking and thinking "Was Dinobot originally designed as a Predacon in the toyline too?" We know the Cheetor was delayed from w1.... what if Rhinoz and Wolfang were *also* originally in tended for w1 and *also* delayed? So was the original intention 3 solid warm bloodied Maximals vs 3 clear plastic cold blooded Predacons? *SOMETHING* happens to delay the Maximals, we know Cheetor has his guns redesigned but still looks like being ready earlier than the other two. Confronted with a w1 that's looking like 3 Predacon deluxe vs 1 Maximal deluxe they opt to have Dinobot change sides as a toy which *then* sets his fictional story in motion? Interesting theory. It sort of fits with what is said in this interview, obscuretf.com/hhk/BC04interviews.html* The wiki interprets it as Dinobot being designed as a replacement for Not Under 3, but honestly it being a pre existing design swapping sides makes more sense. Especially given what you point out about the chear parts Certainly would make some sense if when Mainframe started work on the show, Dinobot was still a Predacon toy. One interesting knock on if that is the case is that Grimlock would not have been Grimlock as non of the repaints changed sides. Given how completely un Grimlock like dalmation bot is Id say theres a fair chance the repaint had also been planned before the switch. So there could be a whole character profile out there that was just swapped out for Grimlock. *annoyingly they didnt ask him about Machine Wars.
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Post by Toph on Jun 7, 2021 22:10:39 GMT
Well at this point, Optimus Primal was Optimus Prime, and Waspinator was a badass. Everything we take for granted plot wise was created for and established by the show. And since Dinobot's bio does not specifically state that he was a Predacon, it's a safe bet that plotpoint was created by the show as well. That was my thinking as well, thank you. My guess is that it was probably done by the writers as a way to justify why the maximals have a random dinosaur. (Maximals= all warm blooded animals+fish Predacons= all cold blooded animals+crabs+dinosaurs) There might be a bit more to it than that. All the pre TM Deluxe and Mega toys have another distinguishing feature: Only the Predacons have clear plastic *EXCEPT* Dinobot So I'm looking and thinking "Was Dinobot originally designed as a Predacon in the toyline too?" We know the Cheetor was delayed from w1.... what if Rhinoz and Wolfang were *also* originally in tended for w1 and *also* delayed? So was the original intention 3 solid warm bloodied Maximals vs 3 clear plastic cold blooded Predacons? *SOMETHING* happens to delay the Maximals, we know Cheetor has his guns redesigned but still looks like being ready earlier than the other two. Confronted with a w1 that's looking like 3 Predacon deluxe vs 1 Maximal deluxe they opt to have Dinobot change sides as a toy which *then* sets his fictional story in motion? You might be looking a little too deeply into it. Dinobot is very much a Grimlock homage, like Cheetor is a Prowl homage and Terrorsaur is Starscream homage (I'm talking about toy design, sculpting, and engineering, not personality). His head has serious Grimlock vibes, and with the exception of the dinosaur head going on his chest, the transformation is a lot like Grimlock's. The clear plastic has always felt to me like an attempt to make the legs not be so obvious in beast mode. And at the time, the "raptor" was the single most popular dinosaur in the world. It makes sense that if you're making a dinosaur into a good guy, that's the one. Also if you're reinventing Grimlock, you'd make him into a "raptor."
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 8, 2021 6:44:24 GMT
The solid plastic Maximals vs clear plastic Predacons thing is definitely there as a design choice.
I can understand why they've not used it for the first year basic flipchangers for tolerance reasons - the clear CR versions of Wrecker Hook and Indy Heat are notorious for breaking under stress - but once that gimmick goes away the clear plastic is present in the year 2 basics too. In fact it continues into the Fuzors, with Terrorgator being the exception.
I think the first Maximal other than Dinobot to use clear plastic other than Dinobot is OpOP, and then only for his canopy. I'll need to look at the toys to check but my recollection is that some of Maximal the toys do look like they have the capacity to do lightpiped eyes *IF* a piece of the head had been cast in clear plastic..... but it isn't for any of them
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 21, 2021 18:29:29 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 6, 2021 21:52:23 GMT
Last week I bought a McDonalds Beast Wars in store display. For its age (25 years and 3 months) its in lovely shape but is made of flimsy card that was meant to last maybe a month at most. Its also huge (50cm x 50cm) It needed a bit of reinforcement so I took a trip to the range and got some A1 foam boards to fill out the large hollow spaces.
Its rock solid now. Gotta find my meal boxes to go with it. Have to name the Littlest Petshop peeps too.
And work out where to put it.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 18, 2021 19:11:04 GMT
Ahead of BW Poll fun starting on Friday.....
Is the Optimus Primal vs Megatron pack in comic available online? Or is anyone able to supply me with scans?
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 18, 2021 20:00:32 GMT
IIRC it was reprinted in one of the two Hachette Beast Wars books.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 18, 2021 20:44:41 GMT
Sadly I don't have them. I may have to send the boy up to the loft to see if there's a copy in the packaging up there.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 18, 2021 21:10:25 GMT
Put him up the chimney! Put him up the chimney!
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Post by Jaymz on Jul 18, 2021 22:25:20 GMT
Ahead of BW Poll fun starting on Friday..... Is the Optimus Primal vs Megatron pack in comic available online? Or is anyone able to supply me with scans?
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 19, 2021 8:32:28 GMT
I don't think Shockprowl will cope with that.
-Ralph
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Post by Benn on Jul 19, 2021 10:13:43 GMT
I love it.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 19, 2021 10:39:42 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 19, 2021 18:18:08 GMT
I don't think Shockprowl will cope with that. -Ralph You're right.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 19, 2021 20:44:45 GMT
So many ideas in those few pages that suggest a totally different story to the cartoon.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 19, 2021 21:05:06 GMT
Unleash your Beast, Pinwig.
-Ralph
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