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Post by The Doctor on Jan 5, 2016 12:34:43 GMT
Bay directing a Transformers film? Must be Tuesday.
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Post by Toph on Jan 5, 2016 12:37:59 GMT
I was fully expecting this as soon as he announced he's not directing any more, after the last one. Because that lying ass has done this for every damned movie since the end of the first one. He did it with RotF: "Oh no, I'm not directing, I only did the first one to help you guys!" "Oh hey btw I'm directing the second one now." He did it with DotM: "Oh, no. I did two and that's plenty. I want to let others have their crack at it." "Oh hey btw, I'm directing so we can finish off the trilogy right." He did it with AoE: "Oh no, I'm not directing. It's time to hand the reigns off now." "Oh hey btw, i'm directing, so we can start the new trilogy off right because someone else will fuck up what I did." He's doing it now: "oh no, I'm definitely done now the new universe is set up." "Oh hey btw I'm directing because fuck you." |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 5, 2016 16:03:44 GMT
You know I find the slagging off of Michael Bay the man to be quite tedious and seldom justified. Feel free to slag off the quality of his film making, but in most interviews he has come across as personable and knowledgeable about his craft and quite likeable.
The likelihood is he is quite genuine at the end of the films that he is done with them given the scale of the undertaking that they are. However, after each film they have chosen to throw more money at him, or allow him to direct vanity projects, or it allows him to fund more productions through his Platinum Dunes production company so he's obviously been persuaded.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 5, 2016 20:10:52 GMT
You know I find the slagging off of Michael Bay the man to be quite tedious and seldom justified. Feel free to slag off the quality of his film making, but in most interviews he has come across as personable and knowledgeable about his craft and quite likeable. The likelihood is he is quite genuine at the end of the films that he is done with them given the scale of the undertaking that they are. However, after each film they have chosen to throw more money at him, or allow him to direct vanity projects, or it allows him to fund more productions through his Platinum Dunes production company so he's obviously been persuaded. Andy Agreed with the above. Look at Whedon after Avengers, big movies, they clearly take their toll. Also whether he comes back isnt up to him, so saying yeah I'm doing the next one would be presumptuous and even saying I would like to weakens any negotiating position. End of the day, theres isnt a huge amount wrong with the direction. The scripts have been a horrific mess and unless Bay is utterly screwing them up in the edit thats not his fault. If he is getting involved with the script, it the money men allowing him to that are to blame. I'm really hoping the writers room will maybe help make a better script this time. Other than that, not ditching most of the previous films cast would make me happy. AOE had a pretty decent mix of Autobots. The Dinobots didnt get used properly at all, but I would like to see again. |
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Post by Rich on Jan 5, 2016 21:11:11 GMT
Based on the 6 or 7 films of his that I've seen, he's an appalling director who makes rubbish films for 15 year old boys. Independence Day is my all time least favourite film. And, based on the beyond leery way he shoots women, I suspect he probably has all the emotional maturity of a 15 year old which is pretty contemptible as he's 50.
I wish he had nothing to do with TF. And, while the puerile and often pretty offensive scripts for the TF films (I haven't seen the last one as I finally gave up hope after number 3) can be blamed on others, if he wanted them changed then they would have been. The director gets all the credit when a film is good so they have to take the flak when it's bad.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 5, 2016 21:48:46 GMT
Based on the 6 or 7 films of his that I've seen, he's an appalling director who makes rubbish films for 15 year old boys. Independence Day is my all time least favourite film. And, based on the beyond leery way he shoots women, I suspect he probably has all the emotional maturity of a 15 year old which is pretty contemptible as he's 50. I wish he had nothing to do with TF. And, while the puerile and often pretty offensive scripts for the TF films (I haven't seen the last one as I finally gave up hope after number 3) can be blamed on others, if he wanted them changed then they would have been. The director gets all the credit when a film is good so they have to take the flak when it's bad. Well as Roland Emmerich directed Independence Day, I think you owe Bay an apology for that one! Andy |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 5, 2016 21:51:36 GMT
Oh true end of day I wish someone else had been making these from the start or at least after the first one and the final product is his responsibility, (Though less so for ROTF as the writers strike really should have delayed the shooting of that, I doubt Bay had the power to say no we'll shoot without a script), but thats not to say others couldnt have taken control of things like script if they wanted too.
Good Bay is something I enjoy hugely even if I know they arent great films. The Rock, Bad Boys 1 and 2, (some of Armageddon in a so bad kind of way) great fun. Theres not a huge amount I dislike about Transformers 2007, the sequel actually makes it look worse than it is because ROTF amped up a lot of the bad parts of the first. DOTM was fine apart from Sam and Rosie whats her name. Though given her performance in Fury Road, Bay might have to take some blame for her lack of performance. AOE mostly improved on the problems of previous films even if its a bit of a mess in places.
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Post by browny87 on Jan 5, 2016 21:51:38 GMT
lol, don't get me wrong theres things I would change in the films but they aren't the worst things in the world, its like when they develop movies from books or TV series, itll never live upto the original so just take it for what it is!
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 5, 2016 21:58:25 GMT
lol, don't get me wrong theres things I would change in the films but they aren't the worst things in the world, its like when they develop movies from books or TV series, itll never live upto the original so just take it for what it is! I think the problem is that Marvel have been showing how it should be done repeatedly since Ironman was released only 10 months after Transformers. TMNTs despite also being a Bay project has lso managed it better. |
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Post by browny87 on Jan 5, 2016 22:01:13 GMT
yeah the new TMNT looks really good!
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Post by Rich on Jan 5, 2016 22:24:52 GMT
Based on the 6 or 7 films of his that I've seen, he's an appalling director who makes rubbish films for 15 year old boys. Independence Day is my all time least favourite film. And, based on the beyond leery way he shoots women, I suspect he probably has all the emotional maturity of a 15 year old which is pretty contemptible as he's 50. I wish he had nothing to do with TF. And, while the puerile and often pretty offensive scripts for the TF films (I haven't seen the last one as I finally gave up hope after number 3) can be blamed on others, if he wanted them changed then they would have been. The director gets all the credit when a film is good so they have to take the flak when it's bad. Well as Roland Emmerich directed Independence Day, I think you owe Bay an apology for that one! Andy Wah?! I've spent 20 years labouring under the impression it was Bay. It's weird how some misconceptions get stuck. Fair enough, on this I will apologise to Bay. Michael Bay, I'm sorry for saying you directed the worst film I ever saw. You didn't, though I wouldn't bet against your chances of getting there in the end. Of the films he really did direct that I've seen: Bad Boys - I will admit liking this when I was 15. TF1 had enough okay bits that I thought 2 might be reasonable if there was some improvement. In the event, 2 was horrible on every level. 3 was horrible and just SO dull. Bad boys 2 I remember being shocking and offensive and dull. The Rock, Pearl Harbour and Armageddon: I've never made it through the whole films as they've been on the TV and anything else has seemed worth flicking to rather than persevere. My main complaint seems to be that I find his films boring, which isn't great as he makes action films. |
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Post by Rich on Jan 5, 2016 22:28:10 GMT
Theres not a huge amount I dislike about Transformers 2007, the sequel actually makes it look worse than it is because ROTF amped up a lot of the bad parts of the first. DOTM was fine apart from Sam and Rosie whats her name. Though given her performance in Fury Road, Bay might have to take some blame for her lack of performance. I agree with pretty much all of these points. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jan 6, 2016 13:45:45 GMT
Well I wont be going to see it. Only a complete reboot, under an entirely different creative team will get me back. For me, Micheal Bay's Transformers movies have been awful, getting progressively worserer and worserer.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 12, 2016 14:52:13 GMT
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Post by Benn on Feb 12, 2016 16:07:57 GMT
Have I been shot with an ennui gun? I think I might be shrugging myself to death here.
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 12, 2016 19:40:34 GMT
Was always going to be Bumblebee wasn't it. Ack.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 12, 2016 19:54:53 GMT
I presume he will learn to talk or that is going to be a hard film to sit through.
A Transformers movie a year? Now whatever anyone's opinions of the films from a technical standpoint it is quite amazing if they can pump them out at that speed. It's not that long ago that the idea of putting these things on screen was just not possible.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 13, 2016 13:20:34 GMT
It makes me hope that TF5 will actually be Prime in space and a big scifi adventure continuing in to TF6.
Then a Bumblebee movie jammed between them wouldnt feel like more of the same. I would like it to be Bumblebee tracking down the Dinobots. He cant talk, they dont appear to talk. It would be amazing.
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Post by legios on Feb 13, 2016 22:49:15 GMT
I'll align myself with the observation that the mere fact that they can contemplate making one of these a year is astounding. We are talking about films with multiple multi-storey mecha, interacting in the same shot with human actors. Is it just my age that makes me feel like this marks just how far into "sufficiently advanced" we are in terms of special effects technology?
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 14, 2016 9:11:57 GMT
Though if the studio can pump these out once a year and they still do well it will become increasingly daft that they don't put GI Joe in one of them. It's a perfect fit and could get that series going again. Though I suspect we'll see the Pipes solo movie before that happens!
-Ralph
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 14, 2016 10:45:50 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Feb 14, 2016 10:47:06 GMT
It makes me hope that TF5 will actually be Prime in space and a big scifi adventure continuing in to TF6. This is the only story-line that'll convince me to go see it. Something TOTALLY different. |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 14, 2016 11:13:26 GMT
I do love Transformers so very much, but this film a year attempt by Hasbro to copy the Marvel and now Star Wars model of doing this with a franchise that has no where near the selling power in the west is hard to explain to others. This surely must be something to do with the popularity of the brand in Asia.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 14, 2016 12:31:09 GMT
It makes me hope that TF5 will actually be Prime in space and a big scifi adventure continuing in to TF6. This is the only story-line that'll convince me to go see it. Something TOTALLY different. I cant see even a half way decent way of doing these that doesnt do this or something like it. TF4 finished on a cliff hanger and I can see 3 ways of starting TF5. 1. In space with Prime, 2. on Earth with Bee 3. or jumping ahead to Primes return with some brief flashbacks to what happened, or worse just ignoring it. Option 2 makes no sense with a Bee spin off the next year and 3 isnt much better for Bee screen time and is the worst option for a series that claims to want to build a cinematic universe. |
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Post by Toph on Feb 15, 2016 3:17:57 GMT
From a story standpoint, I see it like this.
Also, Wahlberg is confirmed for 5, so we know for a fact that's on earth.
TF5- Story is split between earth and space. Two seperate stories that may have some relationship to one another. It ends on a cliffhanger for both.
TF:BB- Follows the earth plotline.
TF6- Follows Optimus.
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Post by primenova on Feb 15, 2016 12:47:22 GMT
Just imagine if the opening weekend for a TF filme was the same has Deadpool this weekend?
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Post by primenova on Mar 15, 2016 12:40:06 GMT
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Post by primenova on Apr 14, 2016 11:28:43 GMT
Rise of the mini-cons. So we have a small Transformers character hinted at - so would be a mini-con (so Hasbro could get out lots of small toys at £8 each) - but if it ties into the end of TF4 then it could be a Quintession rather than Autobot.
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Post by browny87 on Apr 14, 2016 13:49:56 GMT
quintession would be ace!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Apr 15, 2016 20:27:30 GMT
Something original would be better!
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