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Post by Toph on Aug 9, 2017 11:12:53 GMT
No, they're still headmasters. One has normal face, one has a pointed chin.   They also obviously have seperate individual articulated heads with nothing behind them:  Meanwhile, the plugs in the chest are solid pieces, including the spot where the TM head plugs into:  |
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Post by blueshift on Aug 9, 2017 11:36:37 GMT
God dammit Takara !!!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 9, 2017 12:04:17 GMT
Overlord is a bit of a head scratcher.
If you've got two Titanmasters already, which Hasbro had via Sky Shadow, why not use them? I get there were parts in common so a new head/chest may have been needed to be cast.
And having made two new Titanmasters, why not make them Godmasters? The space is there in the chest - OK, It's a VERY tight fit but .....
The remoulds feel half a**ed here.
Tempted by that 3P kit now
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Post by Toph on Aug 9, 2017 12:09:57 GMT
I also feel if they were engine pieces instead of faces, the images would also show them from behind.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 10, 2017 7:00:51 GMT
I'm confused about Legends Overlord. Does it have Powermasters as well as a Titanmaster?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 10, 2017 7:14:00 GMT
Two Titanmasters, different faces.
Fake Powermaster panels in chest.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 10, 2017 12:46:41 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2017 17:09:18 GMT
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Post by Llama God on Sept 10, 2017 17:36:16 GMT
Hmmm. Could be. Hard to tell.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2017 18:26:57 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2017 18:36:25 GMT
Never understood the "too obscure" argument. By that logic, you'd NEVER EVER release a new character as no-one would know who they are already! |
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Post by Toph on Sept 10, 2017 18:51:00 GMT
Never understood the "too obscure" argument. By that logic, you'd NEVER EVER release a new character as no-one would know who they are already! That is borderline hasbro's philosophy with new characters though. If it hasn't been done in G1, it has a low probability of ever happening. But hey... who would have ever thought we'd see the day when THE FALLEN is "too obscure"? |
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Post by Toph on Sept 10, 2017 19:02:16 GMT
The Fallen, who had an entire major blockbuster and toyline centered around him, is "too obscure."
But Liege Maximo, who appeared in all of one panel on the last page of G2, gets a primemaster.
John Warden is just BSing excuses now to not do geewun.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2017 19:53:55 GMT
It's a hard mentality to escape, at least for me being an old timer. I'm there for the three Primes with bells on, but I wouldn't have bought Prima or Megatronus. They aren't characters that mean anything to me, especially for fifty quid.
It's really hard to say that's a rule though. I'd have said the same about Sky Shadow, but he just looks so good. I guess the Phase Sixer bit swung that. There's a link to a G1 set story.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2017 19:58:06 GMT
Oh yes, I'm not saying I would have bought a Prima (I honestly think the only people interested in these 'thirteen original Primes' are Hasbro and Funpub), but it's just weird logic.
Better logic would be "We've had a version in this mold in black already with Skyshadow"
That said, I'm WAY UP for another Fallen. As long as it's like the G1 Fallen not the movie one. The Titanium version was honestly an amazing figure and I regret selling him!
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Post by legios on Sept 10, 2017 21:18:01 GMT
That is borderline hasbro's philosophy with new characters though. If it hasn't been done in G1, it has a low probability of ever happening. Stormshot, Bisque, Thermidor, Windblade, Rust Dust, Nautica, Strongarm, Springload? And those are just the ones off the top of my head. We've had plenty of new characters recently, so it isn't that Hasbro are only interested in doing legacy characters. They do a lot of them because it is what fandom are telling them them they want, but it it feels to me like that is far from all that they are doing. Karl |
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2017 21:25:17 GMT
Stormshot, Bisque, Thermidor, Windblade, Rust Dust, Nautica, Strongarm, Springload? And those are just the ones off the top of my head. We've had plenty of new characters recently, so it isn't that Hasbro are only interested in doing legacy characters. They do a lot of them because it is what fandom are telling them them they want, but it it feels to me like that is far from all that they are doing. Karl Most of those are straight off the tv or comics though. A better comparison would be Offroad and Rook. And yeah I mean people did moan about those guys, but at the time they were literally taking the spot of a fifth member of an established team (yes Hasbro did bring in the remaining original guys later on, but people do like sets!) I'd love say, a red Triggerhappy as a new G1 guy. That'd be exciting to me! I feel we're stuck in this 'snake eating its own tail' system where if everything is a homage, all we'll see is the same stuff forever and ever, and all of Transformers will turn into that crate full of repaints that look like G1 Springer. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 10, 2017 21:30:15 GMT
That's really what the Generations lie is for though? Bucket loads of homages, mainly to G1. There's been a few new goodies along the way, Straxus, Drift & Centuritron spring to mind as well as the replacemnt limbs and Victorion but that's about it.
Really new stuff being produced in the original TF housestyle went out the window when Cybertron finished. Since then the newer stuff has always been in the Movie, Animated or Prime lines all of which have their own individual styles.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 10, 2017 21:31:47 GMT
Really new stuff being produced in the original TF housestyle went out the window when Cybertron finished. Since then the newer stuff has always been in the Movie, Animated or Prime lines all of which have their own individual styles. I know, I know, it's just that 'new' G1 stuff is what really excites me I'm the guy who buys up all the repaints of the original molds whenever Takara does that! |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 10, 2017 21:37:56 GMT
Offroad and Rook were just to avoid multiple uses of the same mould in the same wave. RiD is a different ball game really, you'd expect new characters in a new toy line. The heritage line, Generations, does play safe with the characters, but it's also fine with using popular ones from IDW like Nautica because Hasbro knows they appeal to the same audience.
Genuinely new characters in Generations Hasbro know is a hard pill to sugar coat because of the reactions Drift and Windblade have had. They've tried really hard to integrate them, but they still feel like outsiders. No surprise both went into RiD to try and embed them further.
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Post by legios on Sept 10, 2017 21:49:25 GMT
Stormshot, Bisque, Thermidor, Windblade, Rust Dust, Nautica, Strongarm, Springload? And those are just the ones off the top of my head. We've had plenty of new characters recently, so it isn't that Hasbro are only interested in doing legacy characters. They do a lot of them because it is what fandom are telling them them they want, but it it feels to me like that is far from all that they are doing. Karl Most of those are straight off the tv or comics though. A better comparison would be Offroad and Rook. And yeah I mean people did moan about those guys, but at the time they were literally taking the spot of a fifth member of an established team (yes Hasbro did bring in the remaining original guys later on, but people do like sets!) I'd love say, a red Triggerhappy as a new G1 guy. That'd be exciting to me! I feel we're stuck in this 'snake eating its own tail' system where if everything is a homage, all we'll see is the same stuff forever and ever, and all of Transformers will turn into that crate full of repaints that look like G1 Springer. I share your feelings about the " Orouborus effect". I prioritised Rook and Alpha Bravo as acquisitions for that very reason (I'd have done the same for Off Road had it actually been released over here ). The closest I get to nostalgia driven purchasing is a desire to recapture the excitement of seeing new toys appear in the shops which Transformers meant to me when I was a kid. The best thing about the line was that it was always moving forward and giving me new robots to meet, which was a large part of the appeal of it to me. That is why I have probably bought almost as many >Legends sized toys from the RiD line as I have from Titans Return this year... (And why I consider Strongarm to be part of the same team as Battle Core, Alpha Bravo, First Aid et al. She may not have the Scramble Combiner System, but she is still a member of my Neo-Protectobots. :-) ) In fairness, it is we who are out of step - Fandom's consensus is very much that they do want the current Generations model, and they have demonstrated it by voting overwhelmingly with their wallets. I can't say as I fault Hasbro and Tomy for listening to the very clear message that they have been sent. I think that if you restrict your view only to one line (of the four distinct Transformers strands we have on shelvess) at the moment then you can be forgiven for feeling that there is nothing but a sea of retreads. I don't feel we've quite reached the retread event horizon quite yet though. There might still be a stable or it achieveable around the mass of super-compressed nostalgia... Karl |
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Post by Llama God on Sept 10, 2017 23:31:14 GMT
I share your feelings about the " Orouborus effect". I prioritised Rook and Alpha Bravo as acquisitions for that very reason (I'd have done the same for Off Road had it actually been released over here ). The closest I get to nostalgia driven purchasing is a desire to recapture the excitement of seeing new toys appear in the shops which Transformers meant to me when I was a kid. The best thing about the line was that it was always moving forward and giving me new robots to meet, which was a large part of the appeal of it to me. That is why I have probably bought almost as many >Legends sized toys from the RiD line as I have from Titans Return this year... (And why I consider Strongarm to be part of the same team as Battle Core, Alpha Bravo, First Aid et al. She may not have the Scramble Combiner System, but she is still a member of my Neo-Protectobots. :-) ) In fairness, it is we who are out of step - Fandom's consensus is very much that they do want the current Generations model, and they have demonstrated it by voting overwhelmingly with their wallets. I can't say as I fault Hasbro and Tomy for listening to the very clear message that they have been sent. I think that if you restrict your view only to one line (of the four distinct Transformers strands we have on shelvess) at the moment then you can be forgiven for feeling that there is nothing but a sea of retreads. I don't feel we've quite reached the retread event horizon quite yet though. There might still be a stable or it achieveable around the mass of super-compressed nostalgia... That's kinda exactly what I wanted to say, but couldn't, for some reason. *looks at the couple of cider cans* Anyhoo. Yeah, I totally agree with nostalgia purchasing. It's kinda what drives me. Although I do wonder how long that'll last. Certainly, as said upthread, my reaction to the PottoP Pax/Prime was "it's great, and I love it, and I want it, but can we be done now, please, this is enough, even for me". And then I'll go and vote with my wallet and buy all the Primes anyway. As in everything, I am my own worst enemy. But it's also good that at the same time as Generations, they do have nuRiD to introduce new characters. I'm loving Thermidor (and probably would have loved Bisk as much, but never mind). And I guess, who knows, if Generations as a line is still going in ten years' time then maybe we'll see Generations Powermaster Thermidor (or whatever part of the cycle they're into then). Because by that point it'll be nostalgia for someone else... What I am wondering, though, is how long they can keep Generations going on the idea of "Generations". The original idea was to update older figures with modern technology. And yes, that they mostly have done. But between Generations and Masterpiece I think we've gotten the ultimate versions of all the classic characters now. Especially since production cost issues have meant that advances in technology appear to have plateaued. Whilst there's no doubting that the current CW/TR lines are fun (and I do love them) they haven't progressed the complexity of the toys much further - the earlier Generations and Movie lines took that to an extreme, which was in danger of becoming not fun, before realising the physical limitations and pulling back. Where we are now is probably where we'll remain. Generations could keep going, as the Star Wars figure range has, and keep repeating the same figures but with slightly improved sculpts every couple of years. And maybe that would sell. And most likely I would buy the key characters that I'm interested in. But there'd be nothing revolutionary. The future of Generations is going to be an interesting one. And to be honest, I'm quite interested to see what happens post Prime Wars. They could just go back to the beginning and start again, but they're also doing that with Cyberverse, so... what could they bring to the table that's new? Will it just be Malibu Stacey with a new hat? Or will they repeat the same experiment of admitting they're not sure what to do and farming the idea out? After all, the last time they did that, we ended up with Beast Wars. Which definitely had an interesting end result... |
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 11, 2017 19:59:15 GMT
It's a very good question and one I've thought about before now. Prime Wars has made a concerted effort to utilise the gimmicks of G1 and for the most part has covered the glory years for new figures. It's had a unifying storyline and is pretty much a complete entity in itself. So where does it go? It's the narrative part that causes the problem, Universe dripped on for years putting out unconnected and unthemed figures and so didn't have a natural finish line. We can also see that Hasbro are reticent to step outside that core nostalgia market, which even seems to extend to ignoring Beast Wars.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 25, 2017 8:23:19 GMT
The thought occurs that you could swap the trousers between the Western and Japanese versions too....
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 25, 2017 16:50:44 GMT
No, Phil, no.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 25, 2017 20:01:53 GMT
I didn't think Ralph would approve of this kind of behaviour.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 25, 2017 20:04:49 GMT
DO NOT SWAP THE TROUSERS.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 25, 2017 20:12:57 GMT
Not even between Western & Japanese Overlords?
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Post by blueshift on Oct 25, 2017 20:13:40 GMT
Not even between Western & Japanese Overlords? ITS THE WRONG TROUSERS GROMMIT!!!! |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 25, 2017 20:17:21 GMT
Not even between Western & Japanese Overlords? No, because they are different characters. -Ralph |
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