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Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2017 15:22:16 GMT
It is an amazing series as everything that could be wrong went wrong in every area went wrong similtaneously. Even the lettering was bad!
It is almost perfect in its awfulness.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 14, 2017 9:50:43 GMT
Talk about the contents of each issue of the series here. Please keep chat about issues to do with deliveries and subscriptions to the thread for that, thanks.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 14, 2017 13:49:26 GMT
Comparison of spines so far  The left most spine is the misprinted issue 1 thats the cause of the reprinting. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 14, 2017 13:55:37 GMT
Comparison of the so far released test and final spines for issues 1 and 2 against the website image.  Top image is the all four in place compared to the website image. Bottom image is the 2 full release spines in there correct volume position against the website image. So all the art work is smaller and lower down compared to the wwebsite image. Theres also going to be at least 6 more volumes so the final collection will either be all more spaced out or will contain extra characters. |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 14, 2017 14:26:37 GMT
Just so I'm clear on this - the three issue sixes in your top image go release version incorrect / release version correct / trial version?
If so, I take my hat off to them for reprinting the first issue again to correct a mistake so slender. In reality, these spines won't align perfectly anyway. There are more noticeable misalignments in the Dredd books that haven't been corrected which are just accepted as part of the imprecise nature of printing and binding a book.
The fact that the page counts for each volume change also means that some books are fatter than others, even though the spines are the same width, so the gap between each book varies too. Spine image is never going to be perfect.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 14, 2017 14:29:55 GMT
Ive actually just noticed something else, Just trying to figure out if its my mistake or not.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 14, 2017 14:52:56 GMT
Comparison of spines so far The left most spine is the misprinted issue 1 thats the cause of the reprinting. Yeah it probably isnt the misaligned spine. The black box that contains the autobot symbol and volume number on issue one is about 5mm longer than all the other versions of issue 1 and issue 2. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 14, 2017 14:56:00 GMT
Its more obvious here.  It seems the artwork on issues 1 and 2 is scaled down about he same amount from the website image. if thats true of all issues then that and 80 instead of the website 74 issues then all the peach coloured areas will require additional artwork. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 14, 2017 14:57:26 GMT
It might not be the reason for the reprint, but I would be really annoyed if spine misalignments is a regular problem.
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 15, 2017 11:00:16 GMT
I was thinking - is it possible to have the first post in this thread as an index of content so those of us who are intending only to buy the Marvel issues know what each book has in it? Just something simple - like
Issue 1 / Volume 6 / TF:UK 78-92, 94, 95
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 15, 2017 11:04:59 GMT
It might not be the reason for the reprint, but I would be really annoyed if spine misalignments is a regular problem. Excellent detective work there, Bogatan, but I do think that website image won't necessarily relate to the actual books. It's just a load of beveled lines overlaid on the art to give an impression of what it'll look like. The Dredd ones look like this so far:  But I can imagine every book will be different - it'll just come down to how they're cut and bound as they come off the production line. You can see the black blocks don't quite line up, and there are problems. #50 is the worst because its misaligned and has a white stripe down it, but there's other stuff like #38 being such a fat book it creates its own larger than usual gap. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 15, 2017 11:10:10 GMT
I was thinking - is it possible to have the first post in this thread as an index of content so those of us who are intending only to buy the Marvel issues know what each book has in it? Just something simple - like Issue 1 / Volume 6 / TF:UK 78-92, 94, 95 Yes. We shall start doing that now. Andy |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jan 15, 2017 11:46:40 GMT
Going to differentiate between US and UK Marvel material, otherwise when the issues are relating to content from the black and white era there are two strips running concurrently and it will be too confusing.
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 15, 2017 13:08:20 GMT
It might not be the reason for the reprint, but I would be really annoyed if spine misalignments is a regular problem. Excellent detective work there, Bogatan, but I do think that website image won't necessarily relate to the actual books. It's just a load of beveled lines overlaid on the art to give an impression of what it'll look like. The Dredd ones look like this so far: Those dont look too bad to me. I see a few that look as offset as some of the issue 1s so I guess thats something to get used to. Variations in printing seem to be 2mm max the difference in the black boxes in issues 1 and 2 is 5mm so thats got to be the cause of the reprint. But I can imagine every book will be different - it'll just come down to how they're cut and bound as they come off the production line. You can see the black blocks don't quite line up, and there are problems. #50 is the worst because its misaligned and has a white stripe down it, but there's other stuff like #38 being such a fat book it creates its own larger than usual gap. Oh I know its only a guide, but its roughly what we'll get or the bare bones. I do imagine there will be additional characters added (or the smaller artwork is going to be made bigger). I cant imagine they'll just spread out whats already there as it would look very sparse. Personally Id be thrilled if it was filled out like the Dredd ones with some original art even if its in keeping with the stock art. The world needs new stock art Dreadwing, Carnivac and Bludgeon. |
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 15, 2017 13:34:52 GMT
80 issues are planned in this current run, taking us up to current IDW [Lost Light/Optimus Prime]. Apparently some GI Joe crossover stuff is in there [I'm assuming the Marvel US one and Action Force]. New Avengers/TF is not going to be in there.
If it does well enough, they can extend into more IDW stuff [there'll be another 3 years worth of material released by the time we get to the end of the 80 issues]. I'm hoping they do Marvel G2 as a special HC, like the DC ones have done with Crisis minis.
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Post by jont on Jan 15, 2017 13:42:59 GMT
I'm a new poster here too, but forgot to introduce myself on my first post, so hi everyone! Better late than never, anyway...
I picked up the first volume the other week, and while it's a nicely presented tome, I can potentially see presenting all the UK and US stories in this way isn't quite going to work 100% of the time, since they're reprinting the original US versions of the stories, whereas when Marvel UK originally printed these, some of them were slightly modified where they would contradict the original UK strips.
That's why, when Hatchette get to it, Megatron will meet the Predacons for the first time - twice. Shockwave will refer to an alliance with Cobra that never happened, and the Dinobots will be complaining about a lack of action, despite having seen considerable action in multiple recent stories. It's only a minor thing, but for new readers it will seem a bit strange without those alterations, or context for why they were done.
Ultimately, I can see that this partwork doesn't bring enough new to the table for me, unlike the amazing Classics UK books with their production commentary. It should be a good catch-all for newer fans though, so I can't knock it for that, and I'll definitely be purchasing the issues with the colour reprints of the black and white material though - like I said in my first post I'm amazed no one has ever reprinted these in colour before now!
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Post by primenova on Jan 15, 2017 19:04:01 GMT
One tip for everyone - don't drop the books because you'll get a nice indent on the cover or the corners just crumble. I'm trying to flatten mine back out
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Post by primenova on Jan 15, 2017 20:09:29 GMT
While talking with John Paul Bove yesterday about colouring.
An issue when scanned in had the colouring mis aligned by 1 mm so had to be recoloured on a few pages to match the original. #19-21 is being coloured to match the original colouring. Some Dan Reed art had to be recoloured & some issues (don't know which) had to be scanned in because no scans of the issue exist (so IDW not sharing scans) & some pages had yellowed. John was busy on his honeymoon colouring Dan Reeds stuff
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 15, 2017 20:24:57 GMT
some issues (don't know which) had to be scanned in because no scans of the issue exist (so IDW not sharing scans) This was #198, and possibly 213-214. They have been scanned for Classics UK 6, but the IDW files aren't available yet, rather than a case of IDW holding anything back. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 15, 2017 20:46:09 GMT
Were those issues reprinted by Titan? I don't have all the Titan TFUK trades so am curious.
-Ralph
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Post by Kingoji on Jan 15, 2017 23:10:51 GMT
John-Paul has been married for years. Otherwise he'd be mine by now.
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Post by Jaymz on Jan 16, 2017 3:43:02 GMT
Were those issues reprinted by Titan? I don't have all the Titan TFUK trades so am curious. -Ralph Yeah, Second Generation reprints Cold Comfort and Joy, Fall and Rise is in City of Fear. There weren't many strips that didn't get reprinted by Titan, a quick look at the wiki gives us this list: "Man of Iron" "The Enemy Within!" "Raiders of the Last Ark" "Decepticon Dam-Busters!" "The Wrath of Guardian!"/"The Wrath of Grimlock!" "Christmas Breaker!" "Crisis of Command!" "To a Power Unknown!" "Ancient Relics!" Marvel US issues, they didn't reprint Big Broadcast of 2006 or the GI Joe crossover. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 16, 2017 6:49:41 GMT
There weren't many strips that didn't get reprinted by Titan, a quick look at the wiki gives us this list: "Man of Iron" "The Enemy Within!" "Raiders of the Last Ark" "Decepticon Dam-Busters!" "The Wrath of Guardian!"/"The Wrath of Grimlock!" "Christmas Breaker!" "Crisis of Command!" "To a Power Unknown!" "Ancient Relics!" Marvel US issues, they didn't reprint Big Broadcast of 2006 or the GI Joe crossover. And the G2 G.I. Joe crossover, and the G2 story 'Ghosts', I believe. Hmmm, I can't recall the annual strip story 'Destiny of the Dinobots' in which they return to the Savage Land and put Snarl's mind into a real dinosaur getting a Titan reprint. There should have been a tenth large-size volume with everything from 'Man of Iron' to 'Crisis of Command'. Martin |
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Post by primenova on Jan 16, 2017 12:25:56 GMT
I think JP must have been working on this for a few years, but stated he didn't first start working on the B&W stuff until last April which he had to keep quite about. He may have just been employed just for scanning & touch up for the coloured stuff for mock book type for discussion at marketing meetings. To have something to get Hasbro to green light it before they started work on getting everything ready which seems to be over a year in advance just to cover the Marvel run of issues.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 16, 2017 13:20:52 GMT
I'm still a bit narked about the exclusion of G2. Not because it really affects me (I'll be buying the books I need rather than the whole lot, as I already own the majority) but because it smacks of historical revisionism, something I really hate. G2 is being relegated to some sort of weird non-canon sideshow curio, when it was very much the coda to G1 - which Regeneration One is now taking. And the Fun Pub stuff before that. It feels like Furman is actively embarrassed about G2... when it's one of the best things he wrote!  |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 16, 2017 17:04:04 GMT
I'm still a bit narked about the exclusion of G2. Not because it really affects me (I'll be buying the books I need rather than the whole lot, as I already own the majority) but because it smacks of historical revisionism, something I really hate. G2 is being relegated to some sort of weird non-canon sideshow curio, when it was very much the coda to G1 But it wasn't! 'Another Time and Place' was the coda to 'G1'. I think it even said so in the editorial in US #80. G2 not only ignored that but also ignored the Nucleon setup. And the final several issues of the original US series were also revisionist, as Furman ignored the UK Earthforce stories when he'd promised at the time he wrote them that the US strip would tie into them. So the final Earthforce story was really the _original_ ending of the present-day TF comic story. Furman affords Bob Budiansky's stories much greater respect and canonical status than he does his own, which is to his credit. But it means all his Movie future stuff, all his Earthforce stuff, G2 and (judging by Regeneration One) much of his earlier UK stuff fall by the wayside. Regeneration One won't really work as an endpoint for the Hachette partworks, because Hachette is including the UK stories featuring Ultra Magnus, etc. much earlier on. If you're going to end with Regeneration One, it should really be a purely US comic collection. Personally, I rank the authority of the storytellers at the time over the authority of people looking back on them years later. If Marvel said at the time that the TF comic tied in to the Marvel superheroes universe, then that trumps anyone saying later on that it doesn't. And 'Another Time and Place' has more canonical authority than G2, which has more canonical authority than RG1. It helps that I also rank them in that order in terms of quality.  Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 16, 2017 17:36:59 GMT
No, Martin, no. You have gone insane. Earthforce is not the end of Marvel! It did not end with Irwin @£@*@& Spoon!
*pounds ground*
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Jan 16, 2017 18:33:41 GMT
How much does following ReG1 not follow MUK stuff if going across all the issues. There is the issues about G2 not following some points from G1 but we've never bothered abut that before. I think we might get Earthforce slightly linked in to UK stories #240-250 which should be in v17 & then the rest of Earthforce v20? Ok the how Megatron is there is going to be the biggest puzzle because it would mean everyone forgets him for RG1#81. But they all forgot Unicron for 2005 - but that no longer happens. (RG1#81 set after 2005 with no Megs becoming Galvatron or Movie happening - but at least the series is getting UK newstand first ever printing & still cheaper than buying the IDW tpbs)
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 16, 2017 19:47:49 GMT
Exactly. One of the features of this series is anything post-Marvel getting a UK printing for the first time (other than some IDW material that was in vols 1-2 of Titan's movie comic).
-Ralph
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Post by inflatabledalek on Jan 16, 2017 20:32:24 GMT
I've also spotted a mistake that (having double checked) was also on the trial version of 2 but I don't think any of us noticed: It credits the wrong artist for Spotlight Soundwave: Throw in "Jazz" and "Andrew Wlidman" (corrected on the site but on the poster that comes with one) and this is a series in desperate need of better proofing as it's coming across as sloppy. Especially when it comes to not fixing the trial errors we did all point out to them... |
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