|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 17, 2017 23:30:42 GMT
Oh no. This is like UNIT dating in Doctor Who.
-Ralph
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 17, 2017 23:36:38 GMT
I think the Movie occupies a place in Transformers chronology like the future in Uncanny X-Men: Days of Future Past (the comic) in that it is a potential future timeline for them, but once they've travelled back as part of Target: 2006 it creates an alternate timeline. The Movie still happens in some timelines, but the very presence of Galvatron and company changes the timeline for the likes of RG1/G2.
Andy
|
|
|
|
Post by Kingoji on Feb 17, 2017 23:44:56 GMT
zackly
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 17, 2017 23:47:15 GMT
And given how Simon Furman has professed his love and admiration of Chris Claremont's work, I suspect this is his opinion of it as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 17, 2017 23:48:27 GMT
*foams at mouth*
-Ralph
|
|
|
|
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 18, 2017 1:47:14 GMT
I think the Movie occupies a place in Transformers chronology like the future in Uncanny X-Men: Days of Future Past (the comic) in that it is a potential future timeline for them, but once they've travelled back as part of Target: 2006 it creates an alternate timeline. The Movie still happens in some timelines, but the very presence of Galvatron and company changes the timeline for the likes of RG1/G2. Even if that were true, the Marvel Movie mini-series deserves to be reprinted if stories like 'Space Pirates' are reprinted. But don't forget, RG1 is not written to be compatible with the UK epics having happened, when you consider Ultra Magnus, the Wreckers and so on. It only makes sense in the pure US timeline. There is some comfort in logic for fans of the Marvel comic Movie timeline, if you take the view that the Earthforce stories are the definitive present-day timeline because they were written and printed before the post-'Matrix Quest' US stories that appear to contradict them. Despite 'Target: 2006' and 'Time Wars' having occurred, the Earthforce present-day stories appear to be setting things up for the Movie to happen. Snarl is put out of the picture, for example. 'Prime's Rib', a very late UK story, introduces Arcee. In 'Aspects of Evil', Rodimus Prime recalls witnessing stories as Hot Rod that occurred around the time of the Pretender Classics origin - Megatron being back on Cybertron, the Air Strike Patrol attacking Scorponok on Earth on Megatron's orders, etc. The evidence is there that those late b/w UK stories are in the past of the Movie future. Martin |
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 18, 2017 1:50:33 GMT
Oh, I agree the Movie material should be reprinted, that is something I want to see, I was more looking at the Movie in terms of an in-universe occurrence.
I like your thinking, it's the Marvel US material that moves away from the Movie - presenting it as A future, not THE future.
Ah the tangled web of Earthforce continuuity...
|
|
|
|
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 18, 2017 1:57:32 GMT
Ah the tangled web of Earthforce continuuity... Or, more justly, the tangled web of post-'Matrix Quest' US stories. It's them that came second and caused the problems with the existing Earthforce and Movie future continuity (including the Marvel US Movie mini-series and Universe entries, i.e. not just UK stuff). And the tangled web of RG1 which contradicted G2 and UK present-day epics like 'Target: 2006' and 'Time Wars' when you consider Ultra Magnus and the Wreckers. Earthforce is innocent of all charges! Martin |
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 18, 2017 2:02:50 GMT
I stand corrected, you are quite right of course. Just a shame it's so damned awkward to reconcile the two together.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 18, 2017 8:30:21 GMT
I am having flashbacks to the early 2000's.
-Ralph
|
|
primenova
Fusilateral Quintro Combiner
Posts: 6,057
|
Post by primenova on Feb 18, 2017 8:33:04 GMT
There is that line Optimus Prime said at the start of Earthforce
We must split our forces, i'll return to Cybertron to prepare for Unicron. - & that during Earthforce it is PM Prime
|
|
|
|
Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 18, 2017 10:45:30 GMT
In terms of armchair quarter-backing, I'd have put the Marvel film adaptation in the Target 2006 book instead of the next three American issues. Then you'd have the film prequel and what follows on from it all together in one place. Would have been a neat package to launch with as well, the story UK peeps who bought the comic back in the day remember best alongside the adaptation of the single best known bit of 80's TF fiction.
If they don't want two Marvel continuations in the series I wonder if they'll go for just the one film adaptation? Neither is very good (though the Marvel one has more of an excuse), but if they do only one I hope it's the original as that's more interesting as an artefact of the film's production. And it's also shorter and thus less painful.
|
|
|
|
Post by Benn on Feb 18, 2017 12:27:56 GMT
Yeah, even if the IDW version is a better fit for T:2006.
On a bit of a tangent, I was wondering if the Dreamwave More Than Meets The Eye books will be included. They're not comics, technically (aside from the framing story) but there's story stuff in there that makes the DW stuff make a little more sense...
|
|
|
|
Post by Kingoji on Feb 18, 2017 12:38:15 GMT
I guess if they did an issue at the back of each dreamwave era trade it could fit it all. They'd have to start with WW and definitely do Micromasters along with the three Generation One volumes to fit it all though, I reckon.
|
|
|
|
Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Feb 18, 2017 13:29:42 GMT
I am having flashbacks to the early 2000's. Martin of the early 2000s had very different views, namely that in the interests of having a shared fanfiction continuity embracing everything Marvel, Earthforce should be shoehorned in between 'Another Time and Place' and G2. Martin |
|
|
|
Post by Benn on Feb 18, 2017 14:23:33 GMT
I was always disappointed we never got to see the proper Decepticon Civil War mentioned in Aspects Of Evil.
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 18, 2017 14:43:04 GMT
Yes, that could have been very interesting indeed.
Andy
|
|
primenova
Fusilateral Quintro Combiner
Posts: 6,057
|
Post by primenova on Feb 18, 2017 14:52:24 GMT
The spine for #5 is Prime's gun. The DW stuff should be over 5/6 books. I agree re including mtmte #1-8 but what about the Beastwars book end pages?
|
|
|
|
Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 18, 2017 15:27:46 GMT
I will be pleasantly surprised if either the Marvel or DW character guides got in tbh, I can see them sticking just to the comics.
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 18, 2017 18:31:43 GMT
That is the sort of thing that they can use to pad the range out if they wanted.
Andy
|
|
|
|
Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 21, 2017 9:58:47 GMT
Furman was just pondering on the Geoff Senior art Complete Works 1 patched the meet the Autobts spread up with on Twitter, so yeah, looks like both chamges from those hardbacks are at least under consideration for the bonus content.
|
|
primenova
Fusilateral Quintro Combiner
Posts: 6,057
|
Post by primenova on Feb 21, 2017 15:02:44 GMT
SHould the tin plate be in the next parcel? Sure it had somewhere the size.
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 23, 2017 22:23:51 GMT
War Within does indeed still have the page with the pixelated art.
Andy
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 23, 2017 22:25:33 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 23, 2017 22:30:23 GMT
Oh dear.
I shall skip that volume then. Would rather get the original issues. I prefer War Within 2 with Fallen Dave much more anyway.
-Ralph
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 23, 2017 22:36:06 GMT
Oh dear. I shall skip that volume then. Would rather get the original issues. I prefer War Within 2 with Fallen Dave much more anyway. -Ralph Pretty sure the error is in the original issue as well. |
|
|
|
Post by The Doctor on Feb 23, 2017 22:41:42 GMT
Really? My issues are long gone.
-Ralph
|
|
|
|
Post by Kingoji on Feb 23, 2017 23:07:12 GMT
At the very least the original trade's like that. But it's really not /that/ bad in hand. The lettering and lines aren't affected, and that's what would have really taken me out of the story. It literally just seems to occur along the lines of the shading.
Will go early to work tomorrow to try and pick this up on the way in.
|
|
|
|
Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 23, 2017 23:10:51 GMT
It's just an annoyance that such an obvious flub has never been fixed.
Andy
|
|
primenova
Fusilateral Quintro Combiner
Posts: 6,057
|
Post by primenova on Feb 24, 2017 7:40:25 GMT
I never noticed this - I was looking for a page that had the art but really badly scanned that it was blocked. But this is DW era & I think I remember seeing some art lines in some art. (mainly patlee covers that he did work on)
|
|
