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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 24, 2018 20:03:42 GMT
Martin hasn't seen any Star Wars cartoons, so I don't know if I'm supposed to get any references to them in Solo. I really want a sequel explaining that bit at the end with Qi'ra and the chap who looks like Darth Maul.
I thought this was going to be the first Star Wars film without a lightsaber in it, but no!
I popped out to the loo a couple of times so missed a few minutes, but I didn't see C3PO and R2D2 anywhere, which I think is a first. Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on May 24, 2018 22:17:21 GMT
{Spoiler}Martin hasn't seen any Star Wars cartoons, so I don't know if I'm supposed to get any references to them in Solo. I really want a sequel explaining that bit at the end with Qi'ra and the chap who looks like Darth Maul.
I thought this was going to be the first Star Wars film without a lightsaber in it, but no!
I popped out to the loo a couple of times so missed a few minutes, but I didn't see C3PO and R2D2 anywhere, which I think is a first. Martin I can only assume its there to set up either a Solo seqwuel or another film in the same era. a brief back story below, technically spoilers but no details. {Spoiler}Without going in to detail just in case you ever stumble across Clone wars. Yes Darth Maul is Darth Maul. It's quite an extended story spanning a couple of seasons of Clone Wars and was wrapped up kind of beautifully in season 3 (I think of Rebels). But essentially, Maul survives being chopped in half using the force, but is driven mad by it and spend a decade or so as little more than a scavenging wild animal. Eventually he is found, healed and used as a pawn by the Sith before breaking free and entering the world of organised crime and works(kills) his way to to where we find him in Solo.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 24, 2018 22:34:42 GMT
Seeing this in a week and a bit but worth mentioning the fun trailer for Solo I saw this morning that was all Lando and no Solo. I chuckled all the way through.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 25, 2018 6:06:48 GMT
Interesting, thank you! Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2018 17:11:40 GMT
MARTIN!!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2018 17:12:34 GMT
Dull, flat, plodding, boring. Suffers from prequelitus and the humour feels forced and dies on screen. Even the score is leaden. Even Lando is boring. Fuck sakes. Easily the worst of the 10 films. At least the Lucas prequels had stuff going on.
Well I suppose the new films had to drop a steaming turd sometime. Onwards! To next year's film.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2018 17:48:17 GMT
Interesting, thank you! Martin Thankyou, User 3. That bit utterly baffled me until I read your explanation. -Ralph |
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Post by Bogatan on May 25, 2018 17:57:36 GMT
Yeah its an odd choice {Spoiler}Saw Gerrara was also a Clone Wars character, but as he'd never been in the films he could be introduced and viewed as a new character for anyone who didn't follow CW.
Maul though is last seen on film dying meaning his reappearance is a lot more confusing.
I suppose the long assumed dead villain reappearing is hardly a new thing and surely will be explained for film only audiences in the future, but the way its handled in Solo is very strange.
It's done in a way that seems to believe everyone watching will be aware of the Clone Wars story. I mean it made me happy because if this can happen then theres suddenly a lot of great possibilities that are that much more likely to happen in the next few years. Still oddly handled. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 25, 2018 20:56:39 GMT
Dull, flat, plodding, boring. Suffers from prequelitus and the humour feels forced and dies on screen. Even the score is leaden. Even Lando is boring. Fuck sakes. Easily the worst of the 10 films. At least the Lucas prequels had stuff going on. Well I suppose the new films had to drop a steaming turd sometime. Onwards! To next year's film. Reassuring to see that normal service has been resumed after our uncharacteristic alliance during Rhyming Week and the Great Dinotrump Disaster. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2018 21:04:57 GMT
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Post by Dave on May 26, 2018 7:55:27 GMT
Saw it yesterday and thought it was fun but fairly forgettable. I was watching it exhausted which is not ideal so my opinion could change on rewatches, but for now I'm going with "yeah it was alright". I was quite surprised by Maul. For all the talk of how everything is equal in the Disneyverse, the films seem to avoid referencing anything big. |
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Post by legios on May 28, 2018 21:51:05 GMT
Saw Solo on Sunday. Oh dear. That was rather a mess. It felt like it wasn't entirely sure what sort of film it was trying to be. Somewhere in there was a classic heist movie - smart, savvy criminals going on a job and improv-ing their way out when things got dicey, but it seemed to be coexisting with parts of a spaghetti western - morally grey folk navigating their way through a world bereft of morality, living by their wits and the law of the gun and the plains. Unfortunately the two versions didn't feel like they sat well with each other to me - and this extended to the characters. With some of the characters being part of the heist tone and some to the spaghetti western tone it felt like at any given time half the characters didn't fit what was going on, with only Emilia Clarke's Qi'ra really being able to look like she belonged in both versions.
Actually, Qi'ra was, for my money the most interesting character in the whole thing. The question of how much of her soul she has already lost, and how much more she will be prepared to cut away in the name of survival gives the character a certain shading to her motives that makes her far more interesting than the rather flat characters around her. (Much as I love Woody Harrelson's performance as the increasingly worn-down old outlaw, it is a very stock character with nary a surprise to be found in it.)
Shame that the film even manages to torpedo what is perhaps one of the dramatically strongest sequences in the film - Qi'ra, having sent Han away (for reasons that are open to interpretation) seats herself in her bosses chair, climbing to that greater place of safety. And rather than leave things there - with Qi'ra having willingly and knowingly cut out her own heart(*) as the price of safety - we get some nonsense with a bloke who has nothing to do with the rest of this story at all, and who for no particular reasons demonstrates that he has a laser stick and isn't afraid to use it. Random, irrelevant and somewhat inexplicable really. (Learning from the end credits that random bloke was Darth Maul doesn't really help at all - it just makes the question "what has Darth Maul got to do with this story in any way?" instead.) It felt jarring and irrelevant to the story that we were watching - and although the actual point of the scene had been delivered, I found that it kicked the legs out from me appreciating it.
In the end I found that this was a film that was just sort of "there". It didn't make me want to hunt down the negatives and burn them, but at the same time it didn't fill me with any consistent positive feeling either. It was a film that I saw in the cinema, it began and then it ended. I'd like to see it again at some point, go back and look at it again knowing where it is going to and see how it gets there (**), but it isn't a pay £11.00 to see it in the cinema again - or even a pay £10.00 to buy the DVD. I think it'll be a "if I see it for £3 or something at some point" material.Honestly, I think it is the first post-acquisition Star Wars film that has left me feeling such a definite sense of being underwhelmed. [*] - No Drax, a metaphorical heart, not a literal one. [**] - one of the things I do like about the film is that Han is never really, properly betrayed. His mentor as good as tells Han to never trust him, Qi'ra is pretty open about who she is to him, Lando literally tells him to quit whilst he is ahead! None of these people are actually trying to entrap Han. It is an interesting choice which I think is played too far down in "the mix" to really work, but it was the one structural element to the film that stood out to me. Karl |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 29, 2018 7:11:19 GMT
It felt like it wasn't entirely sure what sort of film it was trying to be. Whereas I felt the opposite, that in Ron Howard's hands it knew exactly what sort of film it wanted to be (and achieved it), but no, it didn't fit neatly into any pre-existing 'type' but rather made its own-shaped hole (like the original Star Wars films) and fit into that. It's not an epic in its own right, but I found it a very satisfying (though of course non-essential) prologue/appendix to the original Star Wars trilogy, and it achieved something I was not expecting - rather than killing Qi'ra off as I was expecting (after all, she's nowhere to be seen in the original trilogy) it took her out of Han's life in a very different way and made me want a sequel to this film which is all about her. So it did two things when I was only expecting one - it set up films I had already seen, and it set up films I have yet to see. Like Rogue One, it really needed an Episode number to make it clear that it was not supposed to be a standalone but rather one chapter in a longer story. Martin |
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Post by Jim on Jun 23, 2018 9:16:47 GMT
That is a really good review! Sums it up for me too.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2018 15:01:01 GMT
A copy of this, in stunning Howard Donald, sits in my living room waiting to be watched.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2018 16:02:05 GMT
My deepest sympathies.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 25, 2018 16:07:33 GMT
A copy of this, in stunning Howard Donald, sits in my living room waiting to be watched. Just started to watch mine. Best way to enjoy it is to go into it expecting it to be what it is, background material for the original trilogy rather than an epic in its own right. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 25, 2018 17:13:03 GMT
I'm not expecting it to be anything other than a heist movie set in the SW Universe
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 25, 2018 17:18:07 GMT
Got mine too. Probably watch tonight.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 25, 2018 17:25:58 GMT
I'm not expecting it to be anything other than a heist movie set in the SW Universe You...you may not get what you want. -Ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 25, 2018 20:30:53 GMT
I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. No need for it to be about Solo or set in the Star Wars universe mind.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2018 7:29:42 GMT
SPOILERS
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 26, 2018 12:33:45 GMT
I love the anger at solo on the honest trailer commentary video, its nowhere near the hatred on view for jurrassic world fallen Kingdom, but still funny.
On home viewing, I think I worked out what I liked about it. It feels very much like a multi episode arc of clone wars/rebels. Does it warrant the live action theatrical treatment? Hell no, but as another story filling in the pre original trilogy period and also the gap between clone wars and rebels its fun.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 5, 2018 21:42:24 GMT
Just watched Solo.
Glad I skipped it at the cinema. Quite a dull affair, a few decent performances but arguably the biggest misfire of the Disney era.
Andy
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 5, 2018 21:51:01 GMT
Just watched Solo. Glad I skipped it at the cinema. Quite a dull affair, a few decent performances but arguably the biggest misfire of the Disney era. Andy Oh God, really?!?! Glad I cinema-skipped it too then... |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 21, 2018 8:02:50 GMT
Watched this last night. What's all the moaning about? That was great fun. Loved it!
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 21, 2018 8:06:34 GMT
Watched this last night. What's all the moaning about? That was great fun. Loved it! I agree entirely. Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 21, 2018 8:14:22 GMT
Yes, having read this thread properly now, I side with Moff Martin. Nothing wrong with it at all. Did exactly what it should have done. Shame it looked like it was setting itself up for a sequel we probably now won't get.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 21, 2018 8:18:47 GMT
a sequel we probably now won't get. Really? Why not? Martin |
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