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Post by Pinwig on Oct 21, 2018 8:33:12 GMT
Haven't they stopped everything? I haven't been reading up properly. I thought it was all on hold.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 21, 2018 9:03:01 GMT
Watched this last night. What's all the moaning about? That was great fun. Loved it! I agree entirely. Martin No, Martin, no. Shittest SW film by a country mile. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 21, 2018 9:08:21 GMT
The only way I can understand your perspective on this film is if you are judging it by what you wanted it to be rather than what it actually is. How is it plodding? The pace was relentless. It was a spot on Han Solo story and I thought the actor channeled Harrison Ford really well.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 21, 2018 9:12:18 GMT
I judged it by the same standards I judge every film I pay to see: acting, writing, direction, pace, plot, story, etc.
If that was a relentless pace I am a monkey from Iceland.
The story was 99% fanwank crap to 'explain' everything we saw about Han in other films. Tedious.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 21, 2018 12:46:24 GMT
I judged it by the same standards I judge every film I pay to see: acting, writing, direction, pace, plot, story, etc. It was fine on those things. Much better than episodes 1, 2, 3, 7 and 8. I think you need to watch it again. Edit: You do realise we're talking about Solo and not The Last Jedi? Martin |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 21, 2018 12:50:55 GMT
The story was 99% fanwank crap to 'explain' everything we saw about Han in other films. Tedious. -Ralph But that's what Rogue One was and everyone liked that. The only difference was that Jyn was a new character. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 21, 2018 12:57:22 GMT
The story was 99% fanwank crap to 'explain' everything But that's what Rogue One was And Episodes 1-3. The main difference between Rogue One/Solo and Episodes 1-3 is that Rogue One and Solo feel like they're set in the same world as Episodes 4-6. Martin |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Oct 21, 2018 13:59:32 GMT
Bored to tears throughout Rogue 1 and at the pointlessness of it.
Solo, while equally unnecessarily fanwank, had a bit of pace to it. Would have been a far better film as a one off stand alone with new characters though and only 'set' in the SW universe.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 21, 2018 15:26:10 GMT
I'm with Ralph.
I enjoyed Rogue One, thought it was a well paced and tense drama despite knowing the ultimate outcome. Solo was a sadly fairly pedestrian affair, with a lot of good performances of lifeless material.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 21, 2018 16:21:58 GMT
I judged it by the same standards I judge every film I pay to see: acting, writing, direction, pace, plot, story, etc. It was fine on those things. Much better than episodes 1, 2, 3, 7 and 8. I think you need to watch it again. Edit: You do realise we're talking about Solo and not The Last Jedi? Martin Last Jedi wasn't that great either. -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Oct 21, 2018 17:14:56 GMT
Last Jedi wasn't that great either. -Ralph Dangerous opinion on the internet! (Even if I agree!!) |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 21, 2018 18:50:11 GMT
Dangerous? How, exactly?
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 21, 2018 19:01:38 GMT
It's not in the least.
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Post by Shockprowl on Oct 22, 2018 16:21:13 GMT
The Last Jedi blew chunks!
I really enjoyed Rogue One though.
But I think I'll wait to see Solo when it comes on the telly.
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Post by Stomski on Oct 23, 2018 7:32:51 GMT
What I continue to fail to understand is how important characters like Enfys Nest get these big build ups and then on reveal the actor fails to deliver their lines with any level of conviction or gravitas.
If they an recast mid-scene in Wayne's World 2, why not a big budget movie like this?
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Post by Jim on Oct 25, 2018 11:02:41 GMT
I don't think hating TLJ is dangerous at all, possibly depending on what kind of social media bubble(s) you find yourself in.
There's pretty good balance in my timeline on Twitter between those who hated it and those who loved it. In both cases there are the extremists - the haters who want it "struck from the canon" (sound like religious extremists much?) and the lovers who dismiss all haters as alt-right trolls. I try to ignore both, but I think the hater extremists are potentially more dangerous than those at the other end as there have been death threats and harrassment, and in the current political climate I can see a day when it erupts into something actually physical unless things change.
For the record, I loved it. It has it's flaws, but then no SW film doesn't, and I think it's wonderfully constructed and rewards multiple viewings. Luke couldn't have had a more appropriate send-off for his character in my opinion - I think those who think there should have been some blaze of glory really didn't get how Luke was at all in the other films. For me it's the number three SW film just ahead of Rogue One.
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Post by Stomski on Oct 25, 2018 12:00:05 GMT
ANY OPINION ON THE INTERNET IS DANGEROUS!!
Now back to Solo... It would have been fine with a few minor tweaks. Stop with all the fan service, audiences do not need to be spoon fed an explanation for all the minor bits of dialog that contributed to the mystique and world building of the OT. Lucas started it with C3PO being built by Anakin as a kid, but Disney have gone overboard.
Giving Han a surname from a recruitment officer... Getting a tip about Jabba on Tattoine... Getting his blaster... It's just relentless in this film and the actual story suffers on account and I walk away feeling patronised.
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 25, 2018 12:12:32 GMT
Yet if you think about the way novels work, if these films had been made like this but released in chronological order, no one would have batted an eyelid because that's how stories work. To me it makes no difference the sequel is a prequel. It's all the same interlinked story.
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Post by blueshift on Oct 25, 2018 12:15:32 GMT
Yet if you think about the way novels work, if these films had been made like this but released in chronological order, no one would have batted an eyelid because that's how stories work. To me it makes no difference the sequel is a prequel. It's all the same interlinked story. No Pinwig no |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 25, 2018 12:17:12 GMT
Yes Blueshift, yes!
If Solo had come out in 1975, no one would have been wining about references to the Kessel run in Star Wars!
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Post by blueshift on Oct 25, 2018 12:18:16 GMT
Yes Blueshift, yes! If Solo had come out in 1975, no one would have been wining about references to the Kessel run in Star Wars! Yes but it didn't |
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Post by Pinwig on Oct 25, 2018 12:19:23 GMT
But in terms of a complete narrative, what's the difference?
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Post by blueshift on Oct 25, 2018 12:22:30 GMT
But in terms of a complete narrative, what's the difference? Because it's a work of fiction and every event that happens is due to a conscious decision. The more we know about a world, the smaller it gets. Questions are more interesting than answers |
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Post by Stomski on Oct 25, 2018 13:11:01 GMT
Exactly! We don't care what the Kessel Run is, just that it's impressive that the Falcon did it in 12 parsecs... Equally just that Droids don't want to be sent to the spice mines of Kessel.
This was Lucas' masterstroke and the character and world building has been made more one dimensional having it shown to us, as counterintuitive as that seems.
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Post by Bogatan on Oct 25, 2018 14:05:55 GMT
I agree with you and you and I agree with you!
For someone born today who grows up watching Star Wars in chronologoical order they'll know what the kessel run is when they get to A new Hope and understand why thats something to boast about.
And that will make more sense than watching a version of Solo without the Kessel run and then 2 films later having Solo reappear and making boasts about his ship doing something not shown in Solo.
Within the frame work they have they either do a Solo story that doesnt feature the Falcon (or shows it as something he desires from a far) or you have him with the falcon doing the thing hes going to reference in his next appearance.
On the other hand having the costume Leia will use attempting to rescue Han in ROTJ or the whole dice thing seems like it going to far. Then again as someone whoses not as fanatical about Star Wars as many, I honestly didn't pick up on most of those types of reference. I only got the dice because TLJ made such a fuss about them.
I also cant be too critical of this stuff because Clone Wars is about my favourite Star Wars thing and its sole purpose appears to be fix the OT references the prequels did make and using the references they probably should have.
But yeah if they insist on explaining or spinning off every reference made in the OT it just makes that universe feel small.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jan 6, 2019 22:20:09 GMT
Finally seen Solo. Harmless fluff.
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Post by Stomski on Jan 7, 2019 12:13:04 GMT
Finally seen Solo. Harmless fluff. Best review ever! |
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