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Post by The Doctor on Jul 17, 2017 17:32:36 GMT
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Post by Toph on Jul 17, 2017 18:05:56 GMT
MUDD'S BACK! And he's being played by Raine Wilson!
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 18, 2017 17:17:19 GMT
So when is this set then?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 18, 2017 18:56:48 GMT
Just prior to The Original Series.
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Post by Toph on Jul 18, 2017 19:28:03 GMT
Ten years before Kirk's first five year mission begins.
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Post by blueshift on Jul 18, 2017 19:35:08 GMT
Ten years before Kirk's first five year mission begins. God I love prequels /s |
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Post by legios on Jul 18, 2017 21:04:47 GMT
It is looking rather nice there. The saucer's segmented look is interesting, and the angle of the rest of the hull and the way it blends together is rather a nice look. It has a distinctly "forward" look to it - a sense of forward momentum even in a still image. Karl |
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Post by Toph on Jul 18, 2017 21:38:48 GMT
I like the cavities in the saucer on an aesthetic level. I mean that sincerely. It looks really nice.
But I cannot reconcile that with the in universe thought of why the hell would anyone design that and think it's a good idea?
Saucer shaped ships do not have a lot of internal volume to start with, and so now you're gutting valuable living, cargo, and lab space. On top of that, if the outer ring sustains severe damage (or hostile invasion), you've severely restricted responce time from your engineering or security teams, by limiting their access through four access bridges.
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Post by Pinwig on Jul 18, 2017 21:56:33 GMT
It's... A Space Spinner!
Qaequam Blagg!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 18, 2017 23:16:26 GMT
Looking at it I wondered if the inner saucer can detach for some missions or planetary landing etc?
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Post by Toph on Jul 18, 2017 23:40:01 GMT
With that flat wedge design, I don't see why the entire ship couldn't land.
Voyager could, and this looks more ground friendly than Voyager did.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 19, 2017 17:06:44 GMT
IIRC have remembered the promo info rightly, Discovery is a science vessel so that could explain the differences. Remember that in the original series we only saw Constitution Class Starfleet ships of which there were only 12.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 19, 2017 18:13:36 GMT
I like the cavities in the saucer on an aesthetic level. I mean that sincerely. It looks really nice. But I cannot reconcile that with the in universe thought of why the hell would anyone design that and think it's a good idea? Saucer shaped ships do not have a lot of internal volume to start with, and so now you're gutting valuable living, cargo, and lab space. On top of that, if the outer ring sustains severe damage (or hostile invasion), you've severely restricted responce time from your engineering or security teams, by limiting their access through four access bridges. I have less of an issue with this design that I have always had with the nacelles on tiny struts which have frequently been shown to be badly exposed. And a thin neck between the saurcer and main hull isnt much better though it wasnt till last years Beyond that that was shown as the weakness Ive always viewed it as. Having said that like you on an aesthetic level I massively prefer the earlier designs with prominent necks. After the Enterprise E the neck goes away and the ships look rubbish in comparison. As for the ring design, I can see some logic to them. For one, damaged areas can probably be replaced more easily. It also increases the number of rooms with windows, which if you are the person working or living in the room would be a bonus. As for access, both rings and the central sphere are connected through the huge neck. Yes if you are at the front connecting bridge and its inaccessible getting to the other side may require a large diversion, but getting from rear part of the suacer or main hull probably isn't that inconvienient. |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 19, 2017 22:13:55 GMT
I also think the ship really does look lovely. But I'm with CJ, the gaps in the saucer just don't make sense!
And it's set before Kirk. Huh. Ok. I just always assumed... well I'm not sure what I assumed to be honest. But I wasn't expecting Pre-Kirk.
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 19, 2017 22:23:08 GMT
Well Kirk is about in the timeline at this point. He just isn't the Captain of the Enterprise yet.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 22, 2017 6:41:49 GMT
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Post by Toph on Jul 22, 2017 7:24:58 GMT
While I still don't like the wedge shape of the Discovery's stardrive section, she and the Shenzao still look vaguely federation. They don't match aesthetically the timeframe they're set in, but they still look Starfleet.
The Klingon ships however do not look like anything the Klingons have every had, or ever will have in this continuity. They don't even match the klingon ships seen in the reboot continuity.
I've always thought klingon ships matched their race perfectly. Very practical. Very tough. Very fierce looking. They were designed purely for function, with a touch of intimidation thrown in. They're not pretty ships, nor are they meant to be, because most Klingons could care less about appearance.
Where as Romulans tended to go for form, over function. While the Federation tried to make their ships both pretty and practical.
These klingon ships are just... they hit that weird hyper detailed but somehow generic aesthetic that a lot of sci fi tries to go for.
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Post by blueshift on Jul 22, 2017 9:05:55 GMT
The Discovery is looking a lot better from that awful awful preview trailer (seriously, if they knew it wasn't ready, and were happy to come out and say it wasn't ready, why release it?) but hooooo boy those Klingon ships look more like Generic Alien Ship #35494
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 23, 2017 12:07:02 GMT
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Post by Toph on Jul 23, 2017 12:44:16 GMT
Squeeeeeee!
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Post by blueshift on Jul 29, 2017 11:34:51 GMT
Apparently the main character of Star Trek Discovery is Spock's adopted human sister who we've never heard of before. OF COURSE. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 29, 2017 11:40:29 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Jul 29, 2017 12:11:31 GMT
Yeah, not a huge surprise, there was loads circulating about behind the scenes strife with this and the delays and everything. Also how everything we've seen doesn't mesh at all with what we know about Fuller and his vision (basically reboot, prequel, redesign of everything, making it Enterprise v2) We shall see!!!! Still looks super generic to me. I have heard that CBS's 'emergency plan' is to return to the 'anthology' idea that the article mentions for each season if reception is really poor. Wouldn't surprise me. |
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 29, 2017 13:44:07 GMT
What does surprise me though is that literally from the day the show was announced, well before a single frame was shot, a large contingent of Trek fandom online has screamed about wanting it to fail. If you're a fan of something and haven't had a TV version of it for 12 years as the property has slid out of the mainstream, wouldn't you want to give it a try before forming an opinion? Not one announcement about the show has gone by without folks screaming about how shit it is.
Discovery may be great, it may be poo or something inbetween but we won't know until it starts its run. I hope for the best. So long as it has the feel of Star Trek while also being a modern show I can let other things slide. So the spaceships and Klingons look different from the ships/aliens of that time as previously established? Who cares! I have this thing called imagination. Besides we only saw some Starbases and a few of the 12 Constitution class starships. Other ship classes or parts of the quadrant could have easily looked different and had different uniforms, etc. People on Earth can look very different depending on their point of origin. No reason why that can't apply to Klingons, etc.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Jul 29, 2017 13:55:20 GMT
What does surprise me though is that literally from the day the show was announced, well before a single frame was shot, a large contingent of Trek fandom online has screamed about wanting it to fail. Eeeeh I think honestly it was the moment that it was announced as a prequel that had people give a collective sigh of exasperation. Prequel + new Trek stylings + the original horrid ship design and trailer (which even those working on said wasn't great) didn't add up to any cause for hope! I mean, this was part of the friction with Bryan Fuller and the studio - by all reports he disliked the direction they were forcing it in and said fans would react badly... and then people were shocked when fans reacted badly. Imagine! It's like how the reasonable reaction to an announcement of Transformers 5 helmed by Michael Bay with a promise of 'more of the same' was met with 'for f*cks sake' rather than rabid enthusiasm. You could equally complain about that! I think people are also tired of the expectation of universal and uncritical praise from the corporate hype machine, whilst at the same time pumping out a lot of soulless, thoughtless low-brow product. From a personal view, new Star Trek series = great! Prequel = ugh, that ship design = ugh. Redesigning the Klingons and ships to look really generic sci-fi = ugh. The trailer looking like a generic sci-fi show trying to be epic = ugh. Forcing in horrible fanwank stuff making Spock the centre of the Trek universe still = ugh. At this point, the ughs outweigh the greats. If it wants to earn my praise it needs to do it by being good. It might be good but just have had terrible marketing/decisions, and the scripts and acting will outweigh this. If you put things in front of me that I don't like, I won't like them. The whole point of trailers and pre-broadcast marketing is to generate hype and making people want to watch it. That's the entire point of everything we've seen. That's it's job. It's not doing its job for me. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jul 29, 2017 16:20:15 GMT
I feel.. cautious but can't actually say anything until the show airs. Will see what it is like then.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jul 29, 2017 16:58:44 GMT
Apparently the main character of Star Trek Discovery is Spock's adopted human sister who we've never heard of before. OF COURSE. What the 'F'?!?! OMG that sounds terrible. |
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 29, 2017 17:58:20 GMT
Im torn. Well Im not, certain fans sound like childish twits. Watch the first episode and see if there are valid reasons for things that currently dont make sense or you don't like.
At the same time if CBS were trying to troll trek fans they probably couldn't have done better.
The one complaint that really made me as "what the hell?" was about the uniforms. Completely different from TOS, yeah pretty much, but uniforms have been shown as inconsistant across the Federation before (DS9 vs TNG or guest stars wearing older versions of uniforms) and DIS do at least share a similar look to both Enterprise and more relevantly Thors uniform in Trek 2009. And they have similar boots to TOS so theres that.
Still its set within the TOS timeframe and 20 years after Thor died so something closer to the 2009 uniform wouldn't have been totally crazy either.
If you want to change the look of an established era then you'll get push back. Reading that article it seems some of the choices were made for no reason besides executives wanting it to look modern, but the 2009 film managed that without making insane changes to the ship designs or uniforms.
Changing the Klingons seems strange because they have been relatively consistant since the 80s. But I suppose Worfs explanation for the TOS look opens the window for other types too. And thats fine, I don't see how the change benefits anything, but I havn't watched it yet.
Right now I can't see any real continuity clash, just changes that are (probably) going to have to be explained at some point to no benefit of the story, but if we see (for example) a Constitution Class vessel that doesn't look like a Constitution class vessel from TOS (or at least Trek 1-6) then there will be space for real complaints.
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Post by Bogatan on Jul 29, 2017 18:01:24 GMT
Apparently the main character of Star Trek Discovery Spoiler
is Spock's adopted human sister who we've never heard of before. OF COURSE. Spoiler
In fairness it took 20 years to hear about Spooks brother who was never mentioned again. Spooks made about 5 appearances since then, so another unmentioned sibling isnt that out there. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jul 29, 2017 18:17:02 GMT
especially if it was a deceased sibling |
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