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Post by legios on May 1, 2024 6:03:40 GMT
Oh, Callum Keith Rennie is in Discovery now? Excellent! He usually puts in a good shift in everything I've seen him in. That is grand.
Karl
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 1, 2024 7:20:33 GMT
It might be good to add spoiler tags for things regarding the current season?
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Post by Llama God on May 1, 2024 7:31:35 GMT
Yep, he is very good in this. The only downside being, as others have said, that he should've been introduced earlier. Better late than never though, I guess. They've all been dropped on their heads. Again.
That Captain gets fired... Let's make him first officer!
A RED DIRECTIVE. Whatever that is it is urgent. But yes, take your time at Trill.
Why is Tilly still on the ship??
Oh look, Book is emotionally compromised. Again. Sure, I'll take him and only him on the mission to confront the source of that.
Should we really be reassembling the Progenitor tech on our starship given how dangerous it is? And then just leave it on the desk while we all walk out the room??
How have they all mastered a thousand years of history and technology so quickly??
Why are they even still on active duty full stop??
It is Homeland levels of stupidity.
I guess it being a RED DIRECTIVE means that they can get and use whatever crew they want and need to complete the mission. Although, indeed, given the general flakiness of the Discovery's crew you do wonder why the mission was given to them.
The main issue I have - especially when you compare to the kinda-concurrently-running Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks, and even Picard - is the terminology being used in the show. "Red directive." "We have to find the next clue!" Those things just don't feel like Star Trek language to me. Although they do fit in with the kind language used in the Kelvinverse Trek films, which I guess is why it feels off to me...
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 10, 2024 9:36:47 GMT
If it wasn't so close to the end of everything I would seriously be thinking about just giving up on this show. 5.7 was just a disaster.
Although I am amused by how 'Fed HQ' has been infected with Delbo inconsistent sizing throughout the season as the plot demands. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 10:39:07 GMT
Just going to wait until all 10 eps of S5 are up. Only want a month of P+.
-Ralph
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Post by Cullen on May 10, 2024 14:51:16 GMT
Just going to wait until all 10 eps of S5 are up. Only want a month of P+. -Ralph Same. This is the way with streaming services nowadays - wait until critical mass of watchable stuff is achieved and then binge them all in a month. |
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Post by KnightBeat on May 10, 2024 18:14:19 GMT
Same here. I've seen the first episode on Paramount's Youtube channel and will wait.
My pet theory is that binge watching is responsible for a lot of the negativity to new movies and series. Wandavision and She Hulk Are fairly fun to watch when you leave a week between episodes, while recent movies are more enjoyable if you don't expect them to justify a monthly subscription.
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2024 19:11:59 GMT
I don't like bingeing shows. I am a creature of the analogue Council TV era. I'm only just going to get one month of P+ for financial reasons. I won't be watching all 10 episodes back to back.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on May 24, 2024 18:29:15 GMT
STOP STANDING AROUND TALKING WHEN YOU SHOULD BE DOING STUFF!!!!!
FFS! What is wrong with these people/writing staff. This is not normal.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 24, 2024 21:04:12 GMT
Ah, you've noticed that too. I was shouting at the screen!
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Post by Bogatan on May 25, 2024 2:56:30 GMT
Arghhhhhhhhhh!
They did it again.
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Post by Toph on May 25, 2024 4:27:11 GMT
So what do you do when you're infiltrating the most powerful and dangerous and powerful enemy ship in the galaxy, dressed as storm troopers, while trying to steal/rescue "The Meaning Of Life" tech created by aliens billions of years old?
You stop in the middle of the most dangerous and powerful enemy ship in the galaxy while dressed as storm troopers, to have a heart to heart. Honestly? I think this is a result of shows being cut down to ten episodes, and having anything that's not immediately relevant to the major plot being gutted. With no filler episodes, the writers have absolutely nowhere to put this kind of stuff, except smack dab in the middle of the action. Because the action is always happening now, at all times. Unfortunate, but Trek isn't the only show to suffer this. |
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Post by Bogatan on May 25, 2024 6:02:27 GMT
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So what do you do when you're infiltrating the most powerful and dangerous and powerful enemy ship in the galaxy, dressed as storm troopers, while trying to steal/rescue "The Meaning Of Life" tech created by aliens billions of years old?
You stop in the middle of the most dangerous and powerful enemy ship in the galaxy while dressed as storm troopers, to have a heart to heart. Honestly? I think this is a result of shows being cut down to ten episodes, and having anything that's not immediately relevant to the major plot being gutted. With no filler episodes, the writers have absolutely nowhere to put this kind of stuff, except smack dab in the middle of the action. Because the action is always happening now, at all times. Unfortunate, but Trek isn't the only show to suffer this. On the whole I agree, but Spoiler
There was a 10 minute period while they prepared for the mission. Stick it in there as they are putting their Breen suits on |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 25, 2024 8:16:21 GMT
Exactly!
I think Toph is right. With less Constant Action this would make sense to still include.
The whole season has been about RED PRIORITY DIRECTIVE (whatever that actually is still!), this is the most important thing to the Federation etc etc... which means they still stand around talking or doing other things first.
New First Officer ex-Captain bloke had the right idea at the start of the season but has soon been shown the error of his ways by the comfy, emotional crew of Discovery and some whispered chat from Burnham. He is still the best character of the season by a country mile, but still... |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 25, 2024 8:31:40 GMT
And I completely missed/don't remember when Discovery got a cloak. They keep mentioning it in the last couple episodes despite not using it much before. Apparently it was installed last season. Who knew? |
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Post by Llama God on May 25, 2024 9:28:04 GMT
Yep...
Last season I referred to as "idiots on a spaceship", on account of characters making stupid, sometimes out-of-character or otherwise nonsensical decisions just to advance the plot. (It didn't help at the same time we were watching season 2 of Snowpiercer which, for similar reasons, we referred to as "idiots on a train".) In this episode in particular we appear to be getting a return to that...
Although the heart-to-heart scene was indeed the worst culprit, there's also the bit at the beginning where they arrive at the artifact's location and have a long chat about it, allowing the Breen to just come in and tractor it out from right under their noses. I mean, I thought this was meant to be urgent...
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Post by Toph on May 30, 2024 8:45:08 GMT
Perfectly serviceable season finale, as originally intended. But the stuff tacked on at the end after they found out they were cancelled ending, just tried to be way too emotional. And it felt draggy, and confusing.
Honestly, like Enterprise, it doesn't feel quite like it earned the emotions it was trying to tap.
On the flip side, it's nice to see Star Trek finally doing an old age make-up that's not over the top, and making the characters look like they're about to hit their 200th birthday. |
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Post by Bogatan on May 30, 2024 19:18:55 GMT
Just watched it and many thoughts.
In short. the main story actually worked suprisingly well as final episode.
But because they didnt know it would be the last one it mostly isnt bogged down with the insane amount of emotional outpourings that would have been in a planned finale.
So really best of both worlds.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 30, 2024 20:17:56 GMT
I still don't know what a Red Directive is. |
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Post by Bogatan on May 31, 2024 6:26:59 GMT
Spoiler
I really want a spin off series thats just Zora travelling the galaxy meeting the crews descendants and wanting to hang out. Join them on family picnics. Hang out watching tv. Going for a drink down the pub.
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Post by Llama God on May 31, 2024 7:12:42 GMT
Just watched it and many thoughts. In short. the main story actually worked suprisingly well as final episode. But because they didnt know it would be the last one it mostly isnt bogged down with the insane amount of emotional outpourings that would have been in a planned finale. So really best of both worlds. No, you're thinking of The Next Generation. (Sorry.)
(Not sorry.)
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 31, 2024 10:00:48 GMT
Very glad we got the wedding. And reconciliation between Book and Michael. When they then say "Let's see what the future holds" I thought ah, right, give them their due, nice way to sign them off. And then Agent Daniels beeps them on the space pager and I sighed a bit you know, ok. End it there.
Then I looked at the clock and thought oh no, ages to go still... And they did indeed go full Lord of the Rings 'Just One More Goodbye' and it was just as painful.
At this point I also felt the setup for Calypso would've been better left undone and unsaid instead of another unexplained RED DIRECTIVE nonsense that will now never be fulfilled.
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Post by Bogatan on May 31, 2024 17:46:26 GMT
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Very glad we got the wedding. And reconciliation between Book and Michael. When they then say "Let's see what the future holds" I thought ah, right, give them their due, nice way to sign them off. And then Agent Daniels beeps them on the space pager and I sighed bit you know, ok. End it there.
Then I looked at the clock and thought oh no, ages to go still... And they did indeed go full Lord of the Rings 'Just One More Goodbye' and it was just as painful.
At this point I also felt the setup for Calypso would've been better left undone and unsaid instead of another unexplained RED DIRECTIVE nonsense that will now never be fulfilled.
(Also, in 1200 years Starfleet Academy didn't think of a mentorship program??) Spoiler
I can forgive the full on LOTR ending. The show was a wrapped then axed and then 6 months later they got given the chance to do some extra shooting to wrap the show.
I cant imagine the original episode could have been spliced to accomadate anything else. And whatever my overall feelings about Disco they did deserve a little conclusion. Including bringing back Detmer and Owosss..... (one day I may remember her name)
The Agent Daniels thing was odd. I have to imagine it was part of the original episode and might have had some follow up half planned.
My feeling on the mentorship program is that they didnt have one in the 23rd century and given the state they were in after the burn havent had one for the last century or so. What did or didnt happen in the other 800 years would be irrelevant form Tillys POV in this episode.
Ive got mixed feeling on the Calypso element, I think I would have been more annoyed by it never being referenced, but Im not sure how I feel about not knowing anything more about the mission. My brother hasnt seen the Short Treks and didn't seem to be confused by what happened. Just calling it a Red Directive and moving on was enough.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 31, 2024 19:22:37 GMT
The Calypso thing was not actually dealt with in the end.. other than the tack on which didn't really add anything to it's mystery already. I would have liked to have known more but had moved on from the need of it wasn't going to be fully explored. Sometimes some mysteries are best just being that. |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 31, 2024 19:25:11 GMT
The Tilly Mentorship thing just annoyed I think because 1) it's an obvious idea and 2) seemed only thrown in to remind us all that the writers think we should all think Tilly is an amazing character. She's fine. Just let her breath. We don't have to be forced into understanding that. |
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Post by Llama God on Jun 1, 2024 8:39:57 GMT
Actual thoughts:
As a finale to season 5, this episode was fine, and exactly what I was expecting to happen (i.e. no-one can have this technology). And also given the scale of the story, I think it was a good one for the final season. We've had Michael rescuing the galaxy from the Burn, Michael rescuing the entire galaxy from being destroyed, and now Michael saving a threat from life itself. You can't really escalate that more without getting ridiculous. And ending up in the same territory that Moffat found himself after Smith's first season finale.
I would've also just been happy if they'd had Michael and Book wander off after the wedding. That would've been a nice "The adventure continues..." moment. And that could've been that.
Now, as someone who loves Lord of the Rings and is actually fine with the length of the end of Return of the King, even I thought that the coda was a little over-long. I do appreciate of course that it was tacked on when the series was cancelled, and so it's obviously going to feel a little inorganic as a result. And I did like learning that Michael and Book actually got something of a happy ever after. I do think though that we needed to see more of the crew, in their lives, just to see where they were at, rather than having Michael just imagine them. Whilst the part of me that hates loose ends kind of appreciates that they resolved the dangling Calypso thread, they could have also happily left it as an alternate timeline thing, or something. It could've just been Michael and the crew putting the Discovery into a place of honour at the new Starfleet museum, or something. But I guess that they wanted to leave other characters able to return in the new Academy series. So we'll see.
So yeah, as a finale, this was fine. But proof also, I think, that Discovery had done all it needed to do.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 1, 2024 9:25:37 GMT
Taking out a month's sub shortly to watch S5. Looking forward to it.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Jun 1, 2024 12:08:37 GMT
Planning to do something similar and watch S4 and S5, saw a couple of episodes of S4 but would like to see the whole thing. Then tie it off with the last season. Might give SNW a go whilst I'm there, see what Discovery's spin-off show is like.
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 1, 2024 20:31:07 GMT
During the month I also plan to give SNW S2 a go. I thought S1 was poor so hope it picks up.
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 2, 2024 7:54:46 GMT
Season 2 was excellent throughout. Lots of variety so you should find something you like in it.
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