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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2018 13:39:08 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 18, 2018 14:30:25 GMT
This gave me pause for thought. I'm sure this has been done elsewhere, but I took a photo of the screen when Bob Budianski put up his original hand-written Tech Spec table at TFN last year, and combined with the might of Phil's BBCode tablising macro we can see that conclusively, Skywarp has Starcream's original tech specs: | Str | Int | Spd | End | Rnk | Cou | Fir | Ski | Tot | | Starscream (BB original) | 7 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 67 | | Skywarp (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 67 | | Skywarp (BB original) | 7 | 4 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 54 | | Thundercracker (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 4 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 54 | | Thundercracker (BB original) | 7 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 55 | | Starscream (Box Tech Spec) | 7 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 57 |
So, does that mean that Starscream was originally intended to be the sinister black and purple? So, Skywarp got Starscream's, Thundercracker got... no, hang on... Skywarp surely should have the Intelligence of 4, Starscream the rank of 9... errr.... |
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 18, 2018 14:32:22 GMT
Ahhh right, ok, so Skywarp got Starscream's, Starscream got Thundercracker's, and Thundercracker got Skywarp's.
Right?
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Post by Llama God on Mar 18, 2018 15:04:26 GMT
I don't even know what's real any more!
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Post by Pinwig on Mar 18, 2018 15:56:35 GMT
The tech spec numbers Budianski wrote for Starscream ended up being given to Skywarp.
The ones he wrote for Skywarp ended up being given to Thundercracker.
The ones he wrote for Thundercracker ended up being given to Starscream.
However there is the small additional matter of Thundercracker's original numbers being altered slightly before appearing on Starscream's box, which is a change I'd suggest was made before the mix up to sit Thundercracker a little better in the overall hierarchy. Looks like Skywarp was always supposed to be the dunce.
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2018 16:22:58 GMT
Thundercracker.
If we were going purely on jet mode I'd say Skywarp, but I think he looks less good in robot mode than TC. It's close, though!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 18, 2018 17:01:11 GMT
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 22, 2018 14:13:00 GMT
Skywarp leading, but he could still be caught!
Due to be travelling early tomorrow, forgive me if the new poll doesn't go up first thing.
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Post by Benn on Mar 22, 2018 14:51:36 GMT
Skywarp cannot be caught, he will just teleport away.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 22, 2018 18:18:29 GMT
Teleporting is such a great thing to be able to do in a dogfight.
Martin
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Post by legios on Mar 22, 2018 19:07:26 GMT
Depends on whether or not ones momentum is conserved or not in the process. I can see some downsides to having ones momentum conserved coming out of a teleport... :-)
Karl
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 22, 2018 19:16:22 GMT
Depends on whether or not ones momentum is conserved or not in the process. I can see some downsides to having ones momentum conserved coming out of a teleport... :-) Karl Maybe in some circumstances, but at least teleporting allows you to turn the tables if your enemy is behind you and has you in his sights, or if a missile is closing in from any direction. Martin |
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Post by legios on Mar 22, 2018 22:07:05 GMT
Oh indeed - as long as you are smart enough to pick a good spot to teleport to then it is an absolutely fantastic edge to have.There are a few quite horrible things I can think of to do offensively as well as defensively with teleportation. (Being able to jump back up from the bottom of a dive has quite a few applications - instead of trading height for speed you could effectively get a refund on the height...which is quite nice when the art of close combat maneuvering is all about trying to hold onto energy at all costs. It also allows for some really nasty amnbushes if you don't need to see where you are teleporting to - you can be masked behind a terrain feature whilst your ally/patsy plays bait, and then *bam* you are right there making your initial pass before they can react).
I just think that in Skywarp's hands I can imagine him having some close calls when he forgets quite how fast he is going when he 'ports in to make a surprise attack on a ground target... He may have a habit of making an impromptu tree-branch collection... :-)
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 22, 2018 22:18:19 GMT
Teleporting is such a great thing to be able to do in a dogfight. Martin Which is why Skywarp is rubbish. With that ability he should have won the war and become the supreme leader millions of years ago!!! -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Mar 23, 2018 6:21:38 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Mar 23, 2018 6:55:21 GMT
Teleporting is such a great thing to be able to do in a dogfight. Martin Which is why Skywarp is rubbish. With that ability he should have won the war and become the supreme leader millions of years ago!!! -Ralph Why would he want to be leader? I think he has more fun as an elite air warrior. As for winning the war, he can probably only safely teleport where he can see it's safe to go, and has limited range, so he can only do so much. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 23, 2018 7:01:50 GMT
A resounding win for Skywarp! |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Mar 23, 2018 7:07:14 GMT
Week 5: What is the best "Leader" on the 1984 US catalogue?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 23, 2018 7:22:15 GMT
Optimus.
Great main figure and a little base play set. Great value and wouldn’t look out of place on toy shelves even now.
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Post by The Huff on Mar 23, 2018 7:50:40 GMT
Although Optimus probably has the most play value,I voted Soundwave as he was the one I wanted out of the two back in the day. Interaction with the Spy Cassettes (although I guess Optimus could also do the same with the Cars) and a much nicer sturdier robot than the other two. And he could clip on your belt and store his weapons.
Also Prime may have come with a massive trailer that opens into an armed battle station as well as Roller but Soundwave came with Buzzsaw.
Megatron is also a very unique toy, so all three have great things going for them - I can see this being a fun poll.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2018 8:03:45 GMT
AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I never realised Soundwave could clip on my belt!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 23, 2018 10:17:14 GMT
But.... but...
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Post by Shockprowl on Mar 23, 2018 16:44:19 GMT
OHMYGOD SEEING THAT CATALOGUE HAS BLOWN MY MIND!!!
SO NOSTALGIC!!!!
HHNN! HHNN! HHNN! HHNN! HHNN!
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2018 17:48:39 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 23, 2018 18:24:14 GMT
Yes. He is a Walkman. You clip a Walkman to your belt.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Mar 23, 2018 18:25:18 GMT
Did you never do this as a kid to look cool?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2018 18:27:57 GMT
Noooooooo! 80's Walkman's go in jacket pockets!!!!
My modern MP3 Walkman also does that.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2018 18:28:50 GMT
WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK TO CLIP CASSETTE MAN/SOUNDWAVE TO THEIR BELTS???
NO-ONE TOLD ME THIS FOR 34 YEARS!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2018 18:29:26 GMT
SOUNDWAVE IS NOT A WALKMAN! HE IS A CASSETTE PLAYER!!!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 23, 2018 18:29:42 GMT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Ralph
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