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Post by Andy Turnbull on Mar 31, 2022 9:11:20 GMT
Caught up.
First episode was very strong, felt 2 and 3 were a little flat I thought, but Ep 4 was more like it.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 1, 2022 21:00:17 GMT
Some actual plot progression this week. Still a story TOS could have done in one episode though.
-Ralph
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Post by Hero on Apr 4, 2022 17:04:49 GMT
Just been catching up. Episode 4 has given me an idea for this years Halloween cosplay. I already have an old ghettoblaster at least.  |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Apr 5, 2022 20:45:55 GMT
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 5, 2022 21:51:41 GMT
...and I immediately stop caring about Season 2.
This is what I wanted!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Apr 6, 2022 7:44:44 GMT
Wonder if they realised season 2's plodding time travel story is not giving most people what they were wanting from it and that's why they're announcing this already?
I mean, I'm finding season 2 quite watchable, but that's despite the pacing and predictability of it all.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 6, 2022 10:16:36 GMT
Season 2 got off to a phenomenal start in episode 1...then drifted into slow moving reheats of stuff from previous shows and movies. I also don't think the showrunner understands how time travel works in Star Trek.
It's perfectly watchable and a heck of a lot better than the season 1 dour-fest but I'm watching more out of obligation rather than excitement. I also hate to say it, but Pat is really showing his age by now as he croaks through his lines. Bless him!
While season 1 was not for me, it seems a shame all the lingering story threads have been quietly ignored.
Season 1 and 2 are both called 'Picard' though they are completely different shows that barely relate to each other aside from the cast.
I suspect the s3 cast news has been put out so Paramount has control over the reveal. It may have been difficult to keep it a secret as time goes on.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 6, 2022 13:44:21 GMT
First Contact Day comes but once a year. No better time to announce such joyous news.
Feel bad Wheaton didn't make the cut though. Having said that I am 100% convinced he will make an appearance on Lower Decks, theres no way Mariner doesnt know him, or that he writers can resist some Stand By Me jokes.
As for Picard, I'm enjoying it, but agree more of what was going on in episode 1.
Episode 5 was a bit much with 3 regulars playing different characters.
Im all in for a Stargazer series with Capt Rios after Picard finishes.
I.... thiiiiiink ..... Pstew is acting old. I go back and forth on it, but in interviews he seems less croaky.
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Post by Jim on Apr 6, 2022 14:04:19 GMT
Season one had some good ideas but made for grim viewing. Season two is quite watchable but has no new ideas.
It wouldn't be the first time a Trek series really gets going with season three, so fingers crossed, but I hope they pick up the pace a bit on the storytelling.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 6, 2022 15:00:19 GMT
Well s3 is the last season so let's hope so!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Apr 6, 2022 21:34:38 GMT
Oh, I didn't know that! Not sure whether to be disappointed or slightly relieved!
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 8, 2022 20:02:05 GMT
Each episode this season is shorter than the previous one. We've dropped from 54 to 39 mins! We'll be at 25 mins an episode by the end at this rate!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2022 9:30:27 GMT
*watches episode *
Right! I've fucking had it! Fuck all happens in this show!
In the TNG era this would have all been done in a 2-parter!
Decompressed TV (like decompressed comics) needs to get tae fuck!
-Ralph
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Post by KnightBeat on Apr 9, 2022 10:38:33 GMT
Is there an explanation for the difference in episode length? The fixed episode length required by TV schedules often resulted in pointless B and C plots being written into 90s Trek, but surely there is a contract requirement that they'll deliver 10 episodes of XYZ minutes duration.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2022 11:09:10 GMT
There may be a minimum floor for episode length we are unaware of, but generally episodes can be any length the makers want them to be for streaming.
Personally, I find that very few streaming shows know how to work out the best paced length for episodes. Shows designed for Council TV schedules tend to be much more tightly paced*. I don't watch many 'made for streaming' shows anymore as I tired of the general 'one story per season, long episodes with little plot progression, lack of subplots' style of them.
If a show needs to be binged to get a feel of things actually happening then it has failed, in my opinion.
Other opinions are of course available.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 9, 2022 11:18:16 GMT
If a show needs to be binged to get a feel of things actually happening then it has failed, in my opinion. That's fair if it's a show that's released one episode per week. If it's a show that's released with all episodes made available at the same time, then basically it's the screen equivalent of a novel, and a good novel's not necessarily written to be read one chapter per week. A novel generally aims to be too good to put down, i.e. binged. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 9, 2022 15:52:35 GMT
Same-day-all-eps-drop binge shows are crap though. I can't be arsed sitting through an 8-hour story that could have been told in 1 hour.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 9, 2022 16:01:17 GMT
I can't really judge. All the multi-part series I've watched properly in recent years have been ones that were originally released in weekly episodes but binge-watched later by me, so I have no idea how they hold up spaced out by a week. All I know is I do enjoy them when I watch the entire series in the space of a few days, and wouldn't want to have to wait a week between each chapter.
When I eventually see Picard s2 it will be in a binge, so I won't be in a position to form a view on how it held up as a weekly show.
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 15, 2022 20:00:52 GMT
Buying my brother-in-law's birthday present has justed yielded me a free 30 days trial of Amazon Prime.
The Picard binge will begin shortly.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 15, 2022 20:50:37 GMT
Nothing happened!!! Again!!!
More filler!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Apr 16, 2022 10:19:48 GMT
It’s so tedious! It’s making me long for season one You can just about get away with decompression at these levels if it adds a lot of texture - snappy dialogue, character and relationship building, atmosphere. But this doesn’t! It’s just slow, and what little happens is crushingly predictable! For a moment I thought it might show us something interesting
When Seven and Raffi were out looking for Jurati / the Borg queen, but the big revelation was that she walked into a bar and... broke a sheet of glass? Did I miss something?
I was ready for some grim scene of failed assimilations or something, but that seemed to be it!
To be fair, I couldn’t describe that as predictable...
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 16, 2022 14:57:29 GMT
I'm genuinely so bored with it now that I have it on the background while doing something else. Slow as fuck, no surprises or tension.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 16, 2022 15:46:09 GMT
Episode 1 was too slow, all the key events should have been condensed into Episode 2's pre-credit sequence.
Episode 2 was pretty good.
Episode 3 started well, began to drag, then became enjoyable as they all got out and about in the past. "No hospitals," ha!
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 17, 2022 14:44:44 GMT
Five episodes in. Not bored yet.
Puzzled about the continuity with Guinan, though. Didn't Picard meet an older 'Madame Guinan' back in Mark Twain's time?
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 17, 2022 16:53:28 GMT
Yup.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 17, 2022 19:58:51 GMT
If a show needs to be binged to get a feel of things actually happening then it has failed, in my opinion. That's fair if it's a show that's released one episode per week. If it's a show that's released with all episodes made available at the same time, then basically it's the screen equivalent of a novel, and a good novel's not necessarily written to be read one chapter per week. A novel generally aims to be too good to put down, i.e. binged. Martin I'm not sure it is fair. A show might be released initially one episode a week, but for all eternity afterwards it will be binge watchable with the next episode lined up for you. Yes they could make stand alone episodes, as Strange New Worlds apparently will be, but structuring them that way when thats not the type of story you want to tell just so they work better on release doesnt make much sense. At the same time Paramount needs the weekly release format to maintain subscriptions so you end up where we are. It might not be ideal but honestly I've much preferred Disney+ and Star Treks weekly releases to Netflix binge releases even when the story is better suited to binging. |
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 17, 2022 20:01:48 GMT
I really enjoyed this weeks episode, it didn't exactly progress the story any more than the previous few but still felt like it had lined up the final three episodes.
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 17, 2022 20:07:14 GMT
Five episodes in. Not bored yet. Puzzled about the continuity with Guinan, though. Didn't Picard meet an older 'Madame Guinan' back in Mark Twain's time? Martin That particular adventure didn't happen in the timeline they travelled back from so despite the timeline having not yet changed, that particular meeting has. Its an... interesting.... take on timelines and really should have been explained in show to stop it being distracting. It also seems a little pointless as it doesnt seem like her knowing Picard would have had any change on the story. On the other hand it does make sense (as much as any time travel) and its kind of grown on me the more I think about it. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Apr 17, 2022 20:21:56 GMT
That particular adventure didn't happen in the timeline they travelled back from so despite the timeline having not yet changed, that particular meeting has. So... if they fix events in the 21st Century so that the TNG future is restored... the 'Time's Arrow' events reappear in the historical record, and in 21st Century Guinan's memory? Er... OK... Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on Apr 17, 2022 20:29:35 GMT
I suspect they wanted to play with the fact Guinan could sense the change in time in yesterdays Enterprise. But then it got lost in rewrites but her not knowing Picard didn't.
Or possibly it will become relevant in the remaining episodes.
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