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Post by The Doctor on Jun 19, 2018 20:28:36 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Jun 19, 2018 20:37:59 GMT
I would like to see more Picard if he is more like TNG Picard than Movies Picard.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 19, 2018 20:42:35 GMT
We shall see. I'll table Picard returning as nonsense internet 'facts' until I see a press release.
It is encouraging that other shows are in development. I have long banged on about Trek being a perfect property to develop in multiple ways. The general premise is ideally suited for it. It went away for the right amount of time though I must admit.
Streaming opens up lots of options Trek couldn't access on networks or in syndication. I'd be up for short-run shows and animation. We shall see what comes out of the development process.
-Ralph
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Post by Toph on Jun 19, 2018 20:59:57 GMT
I've always wondered since the nineties why they never did a Starfleet Academy animated series.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 21:14:56 GMT
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 4, 2018 21:20:15 GMT
Holy shit!
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 21:40:37 GMT
I know!!!!
Never thought this would happen in a million years!!!
So we will have two Trek shows running at once again, just like the glory days of the 90's!
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 4, 2018 22:22:18 GMT
I mean besides Picard which is obviously great its the first time for a decade that Trek has progressed the time line. 17 years if you dont count the handful of seconds of Spock flashbacks in Trek 2009.
Based on those flashbacks though it will be interesting to see how Romulus being destroyed has changed things.
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Post by Toph on Aug 4, 2018 22:39:59 GMT
I'm hoping they just ignore that part.
But then I love Romulans.
They paralleled China and the USSR back in the day, and they mirrored the soviet cold war during TNG.
It would be extremely interesting to see them now sorta mirror China. How due to stupid politicians keeping the US behind the times has allowed China to become one of the positive forces in the world, even though there's still some obviously sinister politicians in play.
It would be interesting to see the Federation, having been battered relentlessly by the Borg, the Breen, the Cardassians, the Dominion, losing a bit of the trust the Alpha and Beta Quadrants have in them, and the Romulans step up. After having realized (post nemesis) that their xenophobia is not serving them.
But of course, they're an empire. The destruction of Romulus would hurt them, but it wouldn't destroy them. So following the events of Star Trek 11, it doesn't mean any of this becomes impossible.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 4, 2018 22:45:57 GMT
Thats what I was thinking, Romulus being destroyed wouldn't destroy the Romulan Empire, but it would undoubtedly cause choas.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 4, 2018 22:54:31 GMT
I made the mistake of checking fan reaction online. Lots of people complaining and typing angrily. Sigh.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Aug 4, 2018 22:56:38 GMT
Really? Wow.
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 4, 2018 23:19:57 GMT
I think its mostly due to kurtzmans overseeing all new trek. Or people who generally dislike discovery and expect more of the same.
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Post by blueshift on Aug 4, 2018 23:27:02 GMT
I think its mostly due to kurtzmans overseeing all new trek. Or people who generally dislike discovery and expect more of the same. As long as it's not grim and gritty like Disco season 1 (the season 2 trailer gives me hope on that front!) |
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Post by Toph on Aug 4, 2018 23:29:33 GMT
So I can't get my mind off this, and was thinking about what kind of series they could do. How to divorce this from being TNG 2.0, but still keep some of the right elements of TNG,
So, Picard retires from being a Captain. He just... can't. I sure wouldn't blame him. He had been assimilated and obviously has PTSD about it. He's watched many close friends die, some by his own orders. Hundreds of people have died under his command. Thousands more under Locutus.
His family died in a fire.
Shinzon.
He takes a role as an Archeology professor at Starfleet Academy. But giving lectures and sitting behind a desk isn't satisfying. He has though, watched several absolute jewels in his, and other classes, who are washing out. Some because they just can't conform enough, others aren't quite getting a fair hand. Some, like Ro Laren, just aren't great at following strict orders.
He's become disenchanted with Starfleet in general, and no longer feels a connection to earth.
So he retires from Starfleet altogether, and procures a small ship. He gathers up some of his favorite washouts, and they leave earth to go on archeological digs. Exploring fallen cultures.
He finds and talks a now retired and bored O'Brien (and empty nester Keiko) to come be his chief engineer.
So... little bit TNG, little bit Indiana Jones, little bit Firefly.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 5, 2018 7:32:58 GMT
You're all wrong. Picard will die in the pilot clearing the way for....
CAPTAIN WORF.
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Post by drmick on Aug 5, 2018 9:02:00 GMT
Discovery must be making a shit-ton of money for this to get off the ground!
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 5, 2018 9:12:36 GMT
Yes they hate it because it will be on CBS All Access. Trek fans need to chill out. LOTR fans don't scream at every mention of the live action show because it will be on Amazon Prime. Star Wars fans don't scream at every mention of the live action show because it will be on the Disney streaming service. I have no time for fans screaming about $6 a month for CBS All Access as they type furiously on paid devices using paid internet. I do have time, however, for fans on a low income where every penny counts and they literally can't afford it, those who decided to wait for Discovery s1 to finish and paid for one month to watch all the eps then cancelled their subscription or fans who lives in areas with poor quality broadband (or none at all in some rural areas). They rest can, however, kindly fuck off out of the fandom. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 5, 2018 9:14:43 GMT
You're all wrong. Picard will die in the pilot clearing the way for....
CAPTAIN WORF.
Nonsense. This first show set in the 25th century will clearly be about THE VENGEANCE OF THE REMANS! For 20 years they have waited...and plotted...always in...the shadows!!! -Ralph |
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Post by blueshift on Aug 5, 2018 10:01:18 GMT
Discovery must be making a shit-ton of money for this to get off the ground! I believe the amount Netflix paid basically covered the entire budget already |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 5, 2018 12:39:00 GMT
Words to that effect were said by the head of CBS back when the show was announced.
I see the Picard story is currently the 8th most read on BBC News!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 5, 2018 12:58:59 GMT
Dayton Ward (one of the Trek novel writers) often posts on Trek Core's board. The novel line was on hiatus when the current publishing licence ran out and a new one was negotiated. The TNG novels start up again April 2019. Here is what he had to say: 'To clarify my comment in the interest of alleviating concern (and in a futile attempt to avoid wild speculation  ), here’s what I said on my Facebook page when this topic came up: “What I can honestly say is that I was aware this was in the works even before I began developing my outline for the TNG book I'm currently writing, and that carrying on the TNG storyline as we've been laying it out all this time was my specific mandate, both from my editor and CBS Licensing. I point-blank asked about any particular concerns or issues which might impact what I was planning should this come to pass, and was told to carry on with what I was doing. Personally, I'm not too worried about the TrekLit status quo, at least as things currently stand, but that's me, speaking only for myself but based on the conversations I've had about this.”' Source: www.trekbbs.com/threads/2019-releases.292914/page-13In other news, Discovery Producer Ted Sullivan tweeted out congratulations to Kirsten Beyer as the Picard thing is her "brainchild". Beyer is the person who handles the approvals side of things for licenced comics and novels that tie-in to Discovery as well as being on the writing staff of the show. She is also one of the best of the tie-in novel writers so I am pleased she is involved. The press release mentions she is one of the producers on the Picard thing. I know very few folk follow the novel side of things but I put this post here rather than in the Trek books thread as I think it is of general interest to track how tie-in writers can drift into working on the TV shows, which is rare. -ralph |
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 5, 2018 17:19:06 GMT
I am not a reader of the recent Trek novels, but it would be nice if the new show was sufficiently far ahead in time to still include them. I don't think we need extensive references to them or the new show to obviously tie into them but I don't see a reason to scrub them all out if you don't need to.
Has Captain Worf been in any yet?
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 5, 2018 17:25:51 GMT
I don't know where the books are at, but Picards gonna have to be played pretty close to Stewarts age, I guess with longer future lifespans it could be set up to about 20-25 years after the last film at most.
With someone from the book side of things involved there may be an effort to keep stuff from conflicting, though given Discoverys (apparent) rewriting of TV/film continuity that seems a bit hopeful.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 5, 2018 18:07:31 GMT
I am not a reader of the recent Trek novels, but it would be nice if the new show was sufficiently far ahead in time to still include them. I don't think we need extensive references to them or the new show to obviously tie into them but I don't see a reason to scrub them all out if you don't need to. Has Captain Worf been in any yet? The novels are currently about 8 years after Nemesis. This Picard show is reportedly 20 years after Nemesis. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Aug 5, 2018 19:19:46 GMT
I don't think age of the actors is much consideration.
Because Vulcans either stay young for 200 years (Tuvok), or they get real old, really young, and then stop aging for 200 years (Spock, Sarak).
Chekov, McCoy, and a few other humans popping up in TNG era stuff seem to follow this, as well. At least the ones who took the long way do (unlike Scotty and Kirk, who took shortcuts to the future).
On a side note, The Picard series will be further in the future than the All Good Things alternate future.
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Post by drmick on Aug 5, 2018 22:33:20 GMT
Picard was aged about 20 years older than Stewart in real life though, something like that?
Isn't Star Trek online set 20 years or so post TNG era?
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Post by Toph on Aug 6, 2018 4:05:33 GMT
Picard was aged about 20 years older than Stewart in real life though, something like that? Isn't Star Trek online set 20 years or so post TNG era? Well, STO isn't canon. And it's also all over the place. It does what it needs to to make it's games work. Which is fine, for it. But I just did the math looking at dates. TNG ended in 1994, and Nemesis was in 2002. -In universe dates were All Good Things modern time was 2370, with the Future timeline being 2395, 25 years into the future. -Nemesis took place in 2379, nine years after the events of All Good Things. -"Picard" takes place 20 years after the events of Nemesis, placing it in 2399. So it's close, but it seems as though "Picard" will end up the furthest out. At the very least, trek canon will have caught up to the alternate timeline's future. As a side note, according to Star Trek (2011), Romulus was destroyed in 2387. And the furthest ahead we've seen was when Archer went aboard the E-J, some unspecified time in the 26th Century (2501-2600). |
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Post by drmick on Aug 6, 2018 7:03:14 GMT
Picard was aged about 20 years older than Stewart in real life though, something like that? Isn't Star Trek online set 20 years or so post TNG era? Well, STO isn't canon. And it's also all over the place. It does what it needs to to make it's games work. Which is fine, for it. But I just did the math looking at dates. TNG ended in 1994, and Nemesis was in 2002. -In universe dates were All Good Things modern time was 2370, with the Future timeline being 2395, 25 years into the future. -Nemesis took place in 2379, nine years after the events of All Good Things. -"Picard" takes place 20 years after the events of Nemesis, placing it in 2399. So it's close, but it seems as though "Picard" will end up the furthest out. At the very least, trek canon will have caught up to the alternate timeline's future. As a side note, according to Star Trek (2011), Romulus was destroyed in 2387. And the furthest ahead we've seen was when Archer went aboard the E-J, some unspecified time in the 26th Century (2501-2600). Given the efforts the Discovery team went to incorporate or go around the past, you'd guess those future facts would be much easier to sort out. |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 6, 2018 7:17:38 GMT
As much as I really enjoy the books I would have no problem with the Picard show contradicting them. At the end of the day the TV shows are the 'primary' text for Star Trek and any differences in spin-off media can easily be dealt with in creative ways by good writers. I imagine the same will be true of Star Trek Online (which I have not played).
It would be interesting if the show does indeed turn out to be on the cusp of the 25th century. Picard being a certain age at a time of reflection due to the change in century could be interesting. I also hope that whatever form it takes (long-form or mini-series) that it introduces many new characters and concepts as well. It's not quite the time jump there was between Kirk's time and TNG but still enough time for lots of things to change: just look at how much the real world has changed in 20 years.
It's an exciting time to be a fan again. Three shows* (!) set in the main universe and films in the Kelvin timeline for folk who prefer that.
-Ralph
*Short Treks appears to have generated little interest online but I do like the idea of mini short story format episodes while the main shows are off air
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), here’s what I said on my Facebook page when this topic came up: