Legacy Evolution (2023)

[Philip Ayres]

See also:

Legacy (2022) tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11531/transformers-legacy-2022

Legacy Evolution (2023) tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11821/legacy-evolution-2023

Legacy Evolution Core Combining Dinobots tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11820/legacy-core-combining-dinobots

Legacy Evolution Junkions tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11822/

Legacy Evolution Leader Skyquake tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11914/legacy-evolutution-leader-skyquake

Legacy Evolution Leader Armada Megatron tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11915/legacy-evolution-leader-armada-megatron

Legacy Evolution Commander Armada Optimus Prime tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11957/legacy-evolution-commander-armada-optimus

Legacy Evolution Titan Nemesis tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11959/transformers-evolution-titan-nemesis

Legacy Evolution Generation 2 Toxitron (Walmart) tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11943/legacy-evolution-generation-2-walmart

Legacy Evolution Pre War (Amazon) tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11984/legacy-evolution-pre-war-amazon

Buzzworthy Bumblebee (Target) tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11232/buzzworthy-bumblebee

Selects tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/10280/generations-select-series

LEAKS

tmukhub.proboards.com/post/476672/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/476746/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/477416/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/479491/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/481147/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/482391/thread

REVEALS

29th October 2021 Pulsecon

Core Soundblaster, Deluxe Hotshot & and Voyager Lio Prime & Tarn tmukhub.proboards.com/post/483204/thread

Core Dinobots Sludge & Slug plus combined mode Torso tmukhub.proboards.com/post/483199/thread

Deluxe Junkion Scraphook tmukhub.proboards.com/post/483205/thread

31st January 2023

Core Dinobot Grimlock tmukhub.proboards.com/post/490744/thread

Core Nemesis Prime & Thundercracker tmukhub.proboards.com/post/490745/thread

Deluxe Shrapnel, Crosscut & Animated Prowl tmukhub.proboards.com/post/490748/thread

Deluxe Junkion Crashbar tmukhub.proboards.com/post/490747/thread

Voyager Metalhawk & Twincast w Rewind tmukhub.proboards.com/post/490751/thread

Leader Skyquake tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11914/legacy-evolutution-leader-skyquake

21st February

Core Scarr & Swoop tmukhub.proboards.com/post/491940/thread

4th April tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494459/thread

Legacy Evolution War Dawn Erial & Dion tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494462/thread

Legacy Evolution Beachcomber, Devcon, Nemsis Leo Prime & Dirge PR tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494464/thread

Legacy Evolution Junkion Deluxe Axelgrease tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494470/thread

Legacy Evolution Leader Armada Megatron tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494473/thread

Legacy Evolution Commander Armada Optimus Prime tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494474/thread

Legacy Evolution Titan Nemesis tmukhub.proboards.com/post/494476/thread

16th May tmukhub.proboards.com/post/497248/thread

Legacy Evolution Amazon Capsule Rise of Tyranny (Miner Megatro & Senator Ratbat) & Humble Beginnings (Orion Pax & Senator Shockwave) tmukhub.proboards.com/post/497258/thread

20th June tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499481/thread

Legacy Evolution Core Optimus, Bumblebee & Optimus Trailer tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499486/thread

Legacy Evolution Core Snarl tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499491/thread

Legacy Evolution Junkions Detritus & Trashmaster tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499490/thread

Legacy Evolution Deluxe Shadowstriker, Bombshell & Strongarm tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499487/thread

Legacy Evolution Voyager Bludgeon tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499493/thread

Legacy Evolution Leader Dreadwing tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499497/thread

Buzzworthy Bumblebee Legacy Evolution Troopbuilder Multipack tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499500/thread

Selects Antagony tmukhub.proboards.com/post/499502/thread

LEGACY EVOLUTION 2022

CORE

Wave 1:

F7174 Sludge EAN: 5010994196714
F7176 Soundblaster EAN: 5010994196721
F7178 Slug EAN: 5010994196738

Wave 2:

F7173 Grimlock EAN: 5010996120540
F7180 Nemesis Prime EAN: 5010996120533
F7179 Thundercracker
F???? Bomburst PR EAN # 5010996120557

Wave 3:

F7181 Scarr (was listed as Skar) EAN: 5010996120588
F7182 Swoop EAN: 5010996120564
F7183 Starscream PR EAN: 5010996120571

Wave 4:

F7185 Snarl EAN: 5010996120601

DELUXE

Wave 1:

F7187 Stunticon Breakdown EAN: 5010994196943
F7188 Needlenose EAN: 5010994196950
F7190 Hot Shot EAN: 5010994196967
F7191 Scraphook (Junkion 1) EAN: 5010994196974

Wave 2:

F7192 Shrapnel EAN: 5010994198749
F7193 Animated Prowl EAN: 5010994202286
F7194 Crosscut EAN: 5010994202279
F7195 Junkion 2 EAN: 5010994202262

Wave 3:

F7196 Beachcomber
F7198 Devcon
F7199 Axelgrease (Junkion 3)
F7204 Tarantulas PR

Wave 4:

F7197 ShadowStriker
F7200 Bombshell
F7201 Strongarm
F7202 Detritus (Junkion 4?)

VOYAGER

Wave 1:

F7205 Tarn EAN: 5010994197278
F7206 Leo Prime EAN: 5010994197285

Wave 2:

F7208 Twincast EAN: 5010994202293
F7207 Metal Hawk EAN: 5010994202309

Wave 3:

F7210 Nemesis Leo EAN: 5010996149657
F7212 Dirge PR

Wave 4:

F7209 Junkion EAN: 5010996149671
F7211 Bludgeon EAN: 5010996149688

Future Waves:

SPOILER: Click to show

F???? Ramjet PR : EAN # 5010996149664

LEADER

Wave 1

F7216 Prime Skyquake EAN: 5010994207816
F7215 Transmetal Megatron PR EAN: 5010994207823

Wave 2

F7217 Armada Megatron EAN: 5010994207786
F7230 Blitzwing PR EAN: 5010994207571

Wave 3:

F7218 Prime Dreadwing EAN: 5010996150387
F7214 Laser Op PR EAN: 5010994207830

Repacks Wave Unknown

F???? OPTIMUS PRIME (possible package refresh) EAN: 5010996192141

COMMANDER

F???? Armada Optimus Prime

TITAN

F???? Nemesis

Exclusive

F7289 WAR DAWN 2 pack EAN: 5010996116314
F6964 Humble Beginnings (was SDCC1)
F7015 Rise of Tyranny (was SDCC2)

G2 Toxitron - Walmart

tmukhub.proboards.com/thread/11943/legacy-evolution-generation-2-walmart

F7145 DLX CAPSULE Assortment

F7510 G2 Jazz (DELUXE CAPSULE 1)
F7512 G2 Deadend (DELUXE CAPSULE 2)
F7513 G2 Mirage (DELUXE CAPSULE 3)
F7514 G2 Sideswipe (DELUXE CAPSULE 4)
F7515 Shadowstrip (DELUXE CAPSULE 5 PR)

F7516 Cloudcover (VOYAGER CAPSULE 1)

F6956 Toxitron (LEADER CAPSULE 1)
F7517 G2 Grimlock (LEADER CAPSULE 2) EAN: 5010996143112 tmukhub.proboards.com/post/487093/thread

PR = Pack Refresh

[Philip Ayres]

2023 www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/listings-for-2023-legacy-figures-and-velocitron-wave-2.1233965/


EDIT Corrected as per www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/upc-ean-barcode-list-for-modern-transformers-toys.1074170/page-27#post-20364716

Now onto what looks like the first wave of 2023 legacy!

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Core

Sludge
Product Number: F7174
EAN: 5010994196714

Soundblaster
Product Number: F7176
EAN: 5010994196721

Slug
Product number: F7178
EAN: 5010994196738

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe

Needlenose
Product Number: F7188
EAN: 5010994196950

Hot Shot
Product Number: F7190
EAN: 5010994196967

Deluxe Junkion 1
Product Number: F7191
EAN: 5010994196974

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager

Tarn
Product Number: F7205
EAN: 5010994197278

Leo Prime
Product Number: F7206
EAN: 5010994197285

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader

Prime Skyquake
product Number: F7216
EAN: 5010994207816

Armada Megatron
Product Number: F7217
EAN: 5010994207786

Transformers collaborative :
Tra Gen Project TPG2 (I believe this the Maverick reissue)
EAN: 5010994186630

[Llama God]

Leo Prime? Skyquake? Armada Megatron? Exciting! I'm guessing that Leo and Megatron will be new molds, but Skyquake's got to be a re-mold of Jhiaxus, right? Although, that said, will Megatron be a re-working of Blitzwing, as we've had before? That actually wouldn't surprise me.

The one that's immediately got me though, of course, is Tarn. Tarn! FINALLY. Although it's slightly disappointing that Cyberverse didn't get him first - that would've fit the madness of that line. I'm going to assume that this'll be a reworking of Siege Megatron, but I don't think that'll bother me too much. It's Tarn at last!

[Pinwig]

> Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Needlenose

Ha! How long has that been kicking about now...

> Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Junkion 1

In my dreams, this is a sidecar for Wreck-Gar.

> Tra Gen Legacy Ev Leader Armada Megatron

If this doesn't mean the Commander next year is that Armada Op then I will... well, I don't know what I'll do, but I won't be very happy.

[Philip Ayres]

Core: Dinobots are a nice surprise, Soundblaster is an obvious repaint

Deluxe: Needlenose *FINALLY*, first seen on the Siege fan vote, then in the Earthrise one he's the only character from the Siege on unmade. Put money on the Earthrise poll's remaining survivor Shrapnel to turn up!

Hot Shot's an obvious choice, if it's Armada, please do better than the dreadful Universe effort. Easy Powerlinx repaint whichever Unicron Trilogy series it's from.

Junkion? Cool. Junkion 1 implies a Junkion 2 repaint.

Voyager: TARN !!!!!!!!! Happy IDW fans today. Possibly a little bit of a surprise given one of what's down as a Leader will have a similar alt mode

Leo Prime..... There's been a mixture of good & bad Lio Convoy remakes and I think the Legends one will be hard to top

Leader: Prime Skyquake: I read this, missed the Prime bit and assumed 1992 :-(. Interesting he's been upped a size class from his original. Dreadwing to follow as repaint?

Armada Megatron: again, do better than last time. But the original will be hard to top. Galvatron repaint

[Philip Ayres]

Package Refreshes NEXT year on THIS year's Leaders

www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/listings-for-2023-legacy-figures-and-velocitron-wave-2.1233965/page-48#post-20363373

EDIT Corrections www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/upc-ean-barcode-list-for-modern-transformers-toys.1074170/page-27#post-20364716

Tra Gen legacy Ev LDR Laser Op Pr
Product Number: F7214
EAN: 5010994207830

Tra Gen Legacy Ev LDR Metal Megs PR (this is dragon Megatron refreshed)
Product Number: F7215
EAN: 5010994207823

Tra Gen Legacy Ev LDR Blitzwing Pr
Product Number: F7230
EAN: 5010994207571

By Contrast

May 6, 2021 13:08:49 GMT Philip Ayres said:

LEADER:

Wave 1:

F3061 Lazer Optimus Prime x 1
F3518 Galvatron PR x1

Wave 2:

F3062 Blitzwing x1
F3518 Galvatron PR x1

Wave 3:

F3063 Dragon Megatron x2

[Pinwig]

So next year's leaders are this year's leaders in new boxes? Nice and cheap at any rate. That also suggests Legacy year 2 will have a different identity, or there'd be no need for new product numbers.

[Llama God]

Jun 25, 2022 10:37:28 GMT Pinwig said:

If this doesn't mean the Commander next year is that Armada Op then I will... well, I don't know what I'll do, but I won't be very happy.

Ohhhh... Oh. Oh shit.

[The Doctor]

Jun 26, 2022 9:09:25 GMT Pinwig said:

So next year's leaders are this year's leaders in new boxes? Nice and cheap at any rate.

Hasbro helping us with the cost of living!

-Ralph

[Philip Ayres]

Jun 26, 2022 9:09:25 GMT Pinwig said:

So next year's leaders are this year's leaders in new boxes?

I think it means next year's leaders cases will all be 1 new toy + 1 repacck

[Shockprowl]

No more Mini-Autobots either.



WHERE'S THAT FUCKING GEARS?!?!?!!!!!

[Philip Ayres]

Jun 26, 2022 21:23:08 GMT Shockprowl said:

No more Mini-Autobots either.



WHERE'S THAT FUCKING GEARS?!?!?!!!!!

Needlenose is in there, who last had a go at a slot in Earthrise.

Whereas Gears got bumped from Kingdom

[Shockprowl]

THAT DOES MAKE ME FEEL ANY BETTER!


I DEMAND A FUCKING GEARS!!!


DEMAND IT!

[Llama God]

Wouldn't that chafe a little?

[Philip Ayres]

The product numbers upthread have had some corrections issued - I've corrected the original posts - and now make a bit more sense when laid out in order

F7174 Core Sludge EAN: 5010994196714
F7175
F7176 Core Soundblaster EAN: 5010994196721
F7177
F7178 Core Slug EAN: 5010994196738
F7179
F7180
F7181
F7182
F7183
F7184
F7185
F7186
F7187
F7188 Deluxe Needlenose EAN: 5010994196950
F7189
F7190 Deluxe Hot Shot EAN: 5010994196967
F7191 Deluxe Junkion 1 EAN: 5010994196974
F7192
F7193
F7194
F7195
F7196
F7197
F7198
F7199
F7200
F7201
F7202
F7203
F7204
F7205 Voyager Tarn EAN: 5010994197278
F7206 Voyager Leo Prime EAN: 5010994197285
F7207
F7208
F7209
F7210
F7211
F7212
F7213
F7214 LDR Laser Op Pr EAN: 5010994207830
F7215 LDR Metal Megs PR (this is dragon Megatron refreshed) EAN: 5010994207823
F7216 Leader Prime Skyquake EAN: 5010994207816
F7217 Leader Armada Megatron EAN: 5010994207786
F7218
F7219
F7220
F7221
F7222
F7223
F7224
F7225
F7226
F7227
F7228
F7229
F7230 LDR Blitzwing Pr EAN: 5010994207571

*SOMETIMES* the spaces are indicative of the number of toys, if the numbers all run back to back. Not sure that's the case here though :-(

[Pinwig]

F7189 a repack you reckon?

[Philip Ayres]

www.tfw2005.com/boards/posts/20392247/

Tra Gen legacy ev voyager Metalhawk
Product Number: F7207
EAN:5010994202309

[Philip Ayres]

Jul 5, 2022 22:40:21 GMT Philip Ayres said:

www.tfw2005.com/boards/posts/20392247/

Tra Gen legacy ev voyager Metalhawk
Product Number: F7207
EAN:5010994202309

I saw this suggested last night:

[Toph]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it'll be.
It doesn't work that well for his original robot mode, but the jet is spot on.

However, his IDW design fits the robot pretty well

[Philip Ayres]

I suspect it'll be a "robot is the pretender shell, vehicle is the original vehicle" job

[Llama God]

Much as I’d prefer it to be the IDW version, I suspect that’s more likely to be the case, given how other Pretenders are usually handled (and, let’s face it, the shells are more interesting anyway).

That said, we’ve got a comic-accurate version of Jhiaxus on the way, and for the Western market Metalhawk’s IDW appearance may be the most well recognised, so I think it’s anyone’s guess right now…

[Philip Ayres]

news.tfw2005.com/2022/08/03/more-legacy-year-2-listings-discovered-voyager-bludgeon-nemesis-leo-prime-ramjet-pr-more-462693

• Tra Gen Legacy EV core Nemesis Prime
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Grimlock
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Bomburst Pr (Core Energon Monster Package refresh)
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Swoop
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Starscream Pr
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Skar
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Snarl

• Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Shrapnel
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Prowl
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Crosscut
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Junkion 2

• Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Nemesis Leo
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Ramjet Pr
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Junkion
• Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Bludgeon

[Philip Ayres]

Putting that together with what we already had:

tmukhub.proboards.com/post/476672/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/476746/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/477416/thread
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/479491/thread

CORE

F7174 Sludge
F7176 Soundblaster
F7178 Slug

F???? Nemesis Prime
F???? Grimlock
F???? PR Bomburst (Energon Monster Package refresh)
F???? Swoop
F???? PR Starscream
F???? Skar
F???? Snarl

DELUXE

F7188 Needlenose
F7190 Hot Shot
F7191 Junkion 1

F???? Shrapnel
F???? Prowl
F???? Crosscut
F???? Junkion 2

VOYAGER

F7205 Tarn
F7206 Leo Prime

F???? Nemesis Leo
F???? PR Ramjet
F???? Junkion
F???? Bludgeon

LEADER

F7216 Prime Skyquake
F7217 Armada Megatron

F7214 Laser Optimus PR
F7215 Metal Megatron PR (this is dragon Megatron refreshed)
F7230 LDR Blitzwing PR

[Toph]

I wonder if "Energon Monster" wasn't a trademark replacement for Pretender, and used as a placeholder for the pretenders.

Given that everything that's been revealed combined with leaks, nothing else that fits the "energon monster" has turned up, but "energon monster" still keeps appearing in these listings.

[Philip Ayres]

Tells us the w3 2022 Core Energon Monster is Bombburst though. Has to be if he's getting Package Refreshed in 2023

Another complete Dinobot set

Need to know the other dlx still

[Shockprowl]

Aug 4, 2022 7:24:27 GMT Llama God said:

I was going to say well that's a fairly safe listing for me, because I don't have much of an interest in many of those characters. And then I realised I needed all of the first three Voyagers. The only potential deluxe that's of interest is Prowl - especially if he turns out to be the Transmetal owl...

Firstly, A NEW PROWL?!?!?!!!!


Kinda... happy with Earthrise. But AN OWL?!?!?! YES PLEASE!!!!



Secondly, Snarl and Swoop are CORE?!?!?!
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!


Edit: oh they're doing all 5 Dinobots in Core Class.


Oh, and still no Mini-Autobots.

[Pinwig]

Is that Ramjet PR a repack of the Ramjet from the Earthrise exclusive two pack? I wonder if Dirge and Thrust will follow. Would make sense. There's a lot of Junkions in those lists.

So we now have Pretenders in Core, Deluxe and Voyager sizes. This needs a bit of a shift of thinking, but together they might work well.

[Philip Ayres]

Been thinking repaints and Legacy 2023....

Aug 3, 2022 23:13:54 GMT Philip Ayres said:

CORE

F7174 Sludge EAN: 5010994196714
F7176 Soundblaster EAN: 5010994196721
F7178 Slug EAN: 5010994196738
F???? Nemesis Prime
F???? Grimlock
F???? PR Bomburst (Energon Monster Package refresh)
F???? Swoop
F???? PR Starscream
F???? Skar
F???? Snarl

Soundblaster & Nemesis Prime are obvious repaints

Starscream & Bomburst are repacks

That leaves the 5 Dinobots and Skar, whatever they are.

G2 Dinobot Core boxset?

Aug 3, 2022 23:13:54 GMT Philip Ayres said:

DELUXE

F7188 Needlenose EAN: 5010994196950
F7190 Hot Shot EAN: 5010994196967
F7191 Junkion 1 EAN: 5010994196974

F???? Shrapnel
F???? Prowl
F???? Crosscut
F???? Junkion 2

I'm assuming there's some sort of moulding relationship between the Junkions

Crosscut is the obvious new head 2022 Skids repaint, who's already been reused as Burnout & Crankcase. Reboost for Selects?

*WHICHEVER* AEC Hotshot that is, he'll have a repaint or two from his original version (plus one or two that didn't get made at the time WHERE'S MY CYBERTRON BB FROM C HOTSHOT ????????????)

Prowl depends on *WHICH* Prowl it is ..... and I don't think this is G1 unless it's a PR of the Earthrise version

Shrapnel..... replace the proboscis and use as Barage?

Needlenose I'm not sure of but it's a jet so that shouldn't be too hard.

Aug 3, 2022 23:13:54 GMT Philip Ayres said:

VOYAGER

F7205 Tarn EAN: 5010994197278
F7206 Leo Prime EAN: 5010994197285
F7207 Metalhawk EAN: 5010994202309
F???? Nemesis Leo
F???? PR Ramjet
F???? Junkion
F???? Bludgeon

Leo Prime & Nemesis Leo are obvious repaints of each other

Ramjet is a Package Refresh.

I'd say there's an above average chance Tarn & Bludgeon are related

Ditto Metalhawk and this year's Armada Starscream

Which leaves the Voyager Junkion..... I'm a little suspicious of this without a product number and with the two dlx Junkions but if it exists, SS86 retool?

Aug 3, 2022 23:13:54 GMT Philip Ayres said:

LEADER

F7216 Prime Skyquake EAN: 5010994207816
F7217 Armada Megatron EAN: 5010994207786
F7214 PR Laser Op EAN: 5010994207830
F7215 PR Metal Megs (this is dragon Megatron refreshed) EAN: 5010994207823
F7230 PR Blitzwing EAN: 5010994207571

Armada Megatron obviously becomes Armada Megatron and Prime Skyquake, Prime Dreadwing. Both are generic enough for multiple reuses with a bit of remoulding.

2022 Dragon Megatron must have a Cryotek coming and, let's face it, we'd buy it in all the colours of the rainbow.

[The Doctor]

If a new Needlenose ever gets made, the world ends.

Remember the days of fan bot polls?

#Nostalgia

-Ralph

[Toph]

Prowl is an oddball.
To be a name that has been in continuous non-stop use, there are only three major Prowls-
G1
RiD
Animated

Sure, there's Energon Prowl, but I'm not sure he played a significant part.

If they were gonna do a non-G1 Prowl, it largely boils down to RiD or Animated. And let's face it, Prowl is an odd one to start RiD with. Sideburn would be more likely. However, an RiD Prowl repaint/retool of Pointblank is feasible. They have a very similar silhouette.
But an animated Prowl retool of Prime Arcee is also feasible, and the ninja elements of the mold are established.

But hasbro loves using Siege/Kingdom Mirage for the wrong things, so an E-Prowl repaint of Mirage isn't impossible. (Were it an exclusive, I'd consider MW Prowl a possibility).

Probably the most likely outcome is it's a new G1 mold. But TFA Prowl is very possible. He is the fan favorite Prowl of anyone that consumes more than Sunbow.
Personally I feel he merits his own mold