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Post by The Doctor on Jun 8, 2024 8:23:58 GMT
Rogue had no discernable personality. Just nowt to him. I couldn't buy the Doctor falling for him so quickly. Made zero sense, despite the actor's best efforts but the script was so thin. I've never watched Brigerton.
-Ralph
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Post by Llama God on Jun 8, 2024 8:26:26 GMT
I will concede that whilst Rogue was clearly Captain Jack Mk. II, he was sadly lacking a lot of that character's charisma.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 8, 2024 9:12:37 GMT
It just felt too forced.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 8, 2024 9:23:00 GMT
{Spoiler}Rather tellingly it looks like a fairly recent pic of REG for Shalka doc. I look forward to renewed speculation as to where they fit into the timeline.
Agree with the comments raised - clearly a Jack Harkness V2, but agree there was heehaw to hang the character on.
Did like the mad Shiar by way of Wind in the Willows monsters this episode.
Where the fuck was my Jayston in that scan though, eh? WHERE RTD, WHERE?! |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 8, 2024 9:45:40 GMT
"All the cells of his body have been devastated by the Metebelis crystals, but you forget, he is a Time Lord. I will give the process a little push and the cells will regenerate. He will become a new man." This week on 50 years of Doctor Who we're watching Jon Pertwee's final episode as the Third Doctor in Doctor Who episode 381 Planet of the Spiders Part Six 50yearsdoctorwho.blogspot.com/2024/06/381-planet-of-spiders-part-six.html |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 8, 2024 21:32:26 GMT
I don't think I can add anything that hasn't been said. This episode felt more like the Doctor and his companion having an adventure than the last two, which was nice, but after sixty years of the Doctor steadfastly avoiding relationships, that felt incredibly rushed. It took 13 three seasons to even broach the subject with Yaz. I know every Doctor is different, but snogging someone you met only half an hour earlier is a bit loose by anyone's standards. As Ralph said, Rogue was also just dull. The crying has also lost any impact now. Every episode? |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 8:36:19 GMT
Exactly. The episode was almost in real-time. He knew the guy for about 10 mins (during much of which Rogue was trying to kill him!) before he was all over him. Just shit writing, despite Gatwa doiing his best to sell it. Maybe the Target book will be better.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2024 9:00:24 GMT
One other spoiler free thing I've found this season is that the need to show how Doctor Who can journey through different styles and genres has become so extreme that it has started to feel more like a series of independent stories, like an anthology show, rather than an ongoing journey. Perhaps that's what RTD is intending to keep it fresh. It's great that we can go from something like 73 Yards to Rogue and have those stylistic differences, but the changes in tone are so dramatic there isn't an underlying thread that means you can say, yep, this is Doctor Who. When you look back at his previous goes at this, Rose/End of the World/Unquiet Dead, or even Smith and Jones/Shakespeare Code/Gridlock, each episode was dramatically different but still felt connected. This series that connection isn't there, at least not for me.
I don't think it helped that in the first five episodes, two of them barely featured the Doctor and in another he couldn't move. Gatwa is great, but he isn't being given enough of the episode to really embed his character. It's all extreme emotion shifts from exuberant playfulness to all out tears and I'm feeling I can't see who he really is. You could say the way RTD works is to put the companion forefront and see everything through her eyes with the Doctor more mysterious, but even in that I'm thinking now what do I know about Ruby after seven episodes? Not an awful lot.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 10:18:49 GMT
I think only having 8 episodes a season is hurting the show. When seasons were 13 or 12 episodes I really got a feel for the characters and if some stories didn't work me there there were plenty of others to watch.
With an 8-episode run, shown in just 7 weeks I feel I am just getting into my Friday night routine of watching DW and the run is almost done. It feels too soon to have anticipation for a season finale.
Any stinker really sticks out even more than it did when the runs shortened previously to 10 episodes.
Sure, the 2021 season was only 6 episodes but there was a pandemic on and making it a serial was a clever use of a shorter run.
I think the show looks noticeably cheaper than in Chibnall's time. The show did look amazing then.
Gatwa and Gibson are amazing and I have loved 'The Devil's Chord', '73 Yards' and 'Dot and Bubble'.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2024 11:29:48 GMT
Totally agree. Seeing the trailer this time for the impending big finale next week really felt like a shock. It doesn't feel like we've had enough of anything to justify a big ending.
The Flux being a serial worked - any new premium drama on any service now is ten episodes max, usually eight or six, but because of the ongoing story you are totally inside the characters by the end. This season of Who has reset every episode and there's no sense of momentum. I've just watched the four episode adaptation of Shardlake on Disney and even in four hours I felt I knew the characters really well. I don't really feel I know the Doctor or Ruby.
I also agree that the show does somehow look cheaper, despite the huge budget increase. I'm puzzled by that. The Tennant specials were very cinematic - visual and aural spectacles. The show doesn't have to be like that every week, but the Gatwa episodes have felt like a step down. The TARDIS set is amazing, but everything else has felt green-screened to death and very compact.
I don't think I could say I've loved any episode particularly. Ruby Road was a great Christmas special, but six episodes in to the season I'm still waiting for what I'd call a 'Doctor Who' story. If you took out the romance from this week's I think that would come closest. Space Babies was a Who story but with a ridiculous premise; Boom felt like a Big Finish story to me, as did Dot and Bubble despite the clever social commentary; 73 Yards just made no sense and didn't do anything to develop Ruby when it really should have done; and The Devil's Chord was just way off what Who is to me. The Twist at the End song just summed that up. We did that with the Toymaker and it worked because of the sinister edge that dance routine had, but random song and dance routines with no explanation? Not for me. I get what RTD is doing with the show, it fits the zeitgeist and it's reinventing it for a new audience, but there isn't enough in it of what makes Who, Who. It comes to something when I'm already looking back on episodes like War of the Sontarans more fondly than anything I've seen in this season.
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Post by blueshift on Jun 9, 2024 12:23:47 GMT
I really liked this week's Dr Who, though the guy playing Rogue looked too much like Michael Cera
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 14:40:48 GMT
I see where Pins is coming from re: the style is changing each week but I do like that. Adds some variety.
-Rapph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2024 14:45:18 GMT
Yes, the variety is good. I just wish there was something underpinning it but there doesn't seem to be. The only ongoing link between stories is the Susan Twist stuff.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 16:08:20 GMT
Toymaker animation is here. May bung it on tonight.
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 16:08:59 GMT
Yes, the variety is good. I just wish there was something underpinning it but there doesn't seem to be. The only ongoing link between stories is the Susan Twist stuff. I never even noticed the Susan Twist stuff! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 17:45:55 GMT
Toymaker animation is here. May bung it on tonight. -Ralph Watched the first two episodes. It's...fine! The facial movements are stiff but there's been a lot of imagination applied to what the Toymaker's domain looks like. It sounds far clearer than the old CD version and adding additional sounds helps a lot. I can finally understand what the heck is going on during the games. 3 and 4 tomorrow. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2024 18:30:23 GMT
Nice. I'll look forward to that.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 20:05:48 GMT
*places DVD in the correct place on the shelf*
Satisfying. So very satisfying.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2024 20:51:16 GMT
That is what it's all about. Does it have a proper reversible cover?
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 9, 2024 21:18:29 GMT
Of course.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Jun 9, 2024 22:03:08 GMT
Phwoar!
How many other DVD lines have the same covers 24 years after they started.
Wait... How many other DVD lines have lasted 24 years?!
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Post by Llama God on Jun 10, 2024 7:20:27 GMT
I think only having 8 episodes a season is hurting the show. When seasons were 13 or 12 episodes I really got a feel for the characters and if some stories didn't work me there there were plenty of others to watch. With an 8-episode run, shown in just 7 weeks I feel I am just getting into my Friday night routine of watching DW and the run is almost done. It feels too soon to have anticipation for a season finale. Absolutely agree with all of this. I was trusting RTD to change the pace of the season somewhat so that the end wouldn't feel so abrupt, but he hasn't - it just feels like we've missed the opening three or four episodes of the season instead. Which is a shame. And I agree, I do love Gatwa, I think he makes a great Doctor, but they've jumped in too quickly to "make him do things he doesn't usually do" (e.g. Boom), before we've had a chance to establish what "usual" actually is. Maybe it's only an issue for older fans like us. I guess we'll see... |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 10, 2024 8:42:35 GMT
Phwoar! How many other DVD lines have the same covers 24 years after they started. Wait... How many other DVD lines have lasted 24 years?! It will be decades in the making if the animations finally complete all the stories and then, at last, the shelf will be complete!!! -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2024 10:49:00 GMT
Toymaker animation is here. May bung it on tonight. -Ralph Watched the first two episodes. It's...fine! The facial movements are stiff but there's been a lot of imagination applied to what the Toymaker's domain looks like. It sounds far clearer than the old CD version and adding additional sounds helps a lot. I can finally understand what the heck is going on during the games. 3 and 4 tomorrow. -Ralph There is a mad sequence in episode 3 where you can tell the animation team went: "fuck it!" and just went with bonkersness. Certainly enlivens a mediocre story somewhat. One of the better missing episodes animation releases. -Ralph |
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 11, 2024 18:00:41 GMT
I haven't been able to watch New Who since the awful Space Babies. I just can't face it.
Did I say I finished Second? He's such a brilliant Doctor. I wish he was in colour. And, you know, complete 'n' stuff. Taking a short break before delving into Third!
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 11, 2024 18:11:11 GMT
I had wondered where you had got to!
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 12, 2024 8:57:19 GMT
Near universal praise for the Toymaker animation on Gallifrey Base. Not seen that happen since...forever!
It is very good though. Some proper nightmare images in there.
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Jun 12, 2024 14:41:15 GMT
I've just watch orville series 3 all episodes & wished new series Dr Who was fun like that series.
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Post by Shockprowl on Jun 12, 2024 18:47:44 GMT
Orville as in Orville the Duck?
Or... Orville and Dean?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 12, 2024 18:50:35 GMT
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