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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 29, 2012 10:41:44 GMT
Warriors of the Deep - 6 - bad, but somehow entertaining.
The Awakening - 7 - decent
Frontios - 5 - meh
Resurrection of the Daleks - 8 - makes no sense, but we get a good Davros again
Planet of Fire - 6 - Peri in swimwear and Ainley camping it up, but it's not great.
The Caves of Androzani - 10 - Poor Peter Davison, only at the end do they get it right.
The Twin Dilemma - 7 - interesting regeneration story, the twins are not in it as much as you remember
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Oct 29, 2012 10:41:44 GMT
Warriors of the Deep - 4 - Not nearly as bad as people seem to think. I love the novel, it at least tries to be ambitious, but is let down in the final analysis by poor production decisions and a laughable monster. It doesnt' help that the director is determined to focus on just how slow and rubbish the costume is.
The Awakening - 5 - I really liked the book, again, but the TV version just doesn't do it for me which is a shame. Not sure why, because all the ingredients seem to be there.
Frontios - 7 - Disliked it at first, but it's grown on me. Nice atmosphere, great soundtrack, it just fizzles out at the end.
Resurrection of the Daleks - 9 - I know it's crap, but it's really fun, watchable crap.
Planet of Fire - 7 - Again, it feels very lethargic. The ending between the Doctor and the Master should be super dramatic, but instead it's just *there*.
The Caves of Androzani - 10 - Come on.
The Twin Dilemma - 6 - Not great, but not the worst either. Decent plot, it just needed a good working over on the script and better production values. Heck had Grahame Harper directed this one instead of Caves, people might be calling it a classic.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 29, 2012 10:43:21 GMT
Cack
Warriors on the Cheap - 3
The Awakening - 8 best 2 parter
Frontios - 4 boring
Resurrection of the Daleks - 6 just for the Daleks
Planet of Fire - 7
The Caves of Androzani - 6 not the classic everyone says
The Twin Dilemma - Am I allowed to award a 0? So poor and wrong in nearly every way. Told I have to give it 1
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 29, 2012 10:50:10 GMT
Now now. No DW is worthy of a 0! Even my most hated story (when it comes up) will be getting a 1.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 29, 2012 12:30:04 GMT
Yeah, besides if it was that would have been the Destiny of the Daleks score!
Andy
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Post by legios on Oct 29, 2012 13:13:21 GMT
Warriors of the Deep - 5 (There is a decent idea in here, but it is sabotaged by some questionable production design and the BBC insistence that everything has to be lit with million-watt bulbs)
The Awakening - 6 (better than I remembered it being from back in the day. Not spectacular but decent enough stab)
Frontios - 5 (JIt is competent, has some nice moments but never quite inspired. And the music is actively horrific)
Resurrection of the Daleks - 9 (The Davison Doctor caught up in an action movie where it is questionable that he belongs, but that is one of the things which makes it work)
Planet of Fire - 5 (meandered far too much, even back in the day, but it has a good idea in there somewhere)
The Caves of Androzani - 9 (One of the few times Doctor Who goes all out to try its hand at tragedy.
The Twin Dilemma - 5 (Doesn't really do a lot for me. Gets marked up on the strength of Baker doing something very interesting and unexpected with his performance which I remember catching my attention when I was younger and for Bryant putting in a pretty decent shift in response but I can't say it is a favourite.)
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Post by blueshift on Oct 29, 2012 14:23:14 GMT
Now now. No DW is worthy of a 0! Even my most hated story (when it comes up) will be getting a 1. -Ralph Yes also using a 0 would make it an 11 point scale, I shall amend it to '1' |
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Post by blueshift on Oct 30, 2012 18:42:42 GMT
Davison time! Once, Andy told me that he was the worst Doctor. Is this true, or is Turnbull iNsAnE? 1 Earthshock 9.6 2 The Five Doctors 9.4 3 The Caves of Androzani 9 4 Resurrection of the Daleks 8.2 5 Kinda 7.2 6 The Awakening 6.8 7= Castrovalva 6.4 7= Snakedance 6.4 7= Enlightenment 6.4 10 Planet of Fire 6.2 11 The King's Demons 6 12 Frontios 5.4 13 Warriors of the Deep 5.2 14= Four to Doomsday 4.6 14= Mawdryn Undead 4.6 16= Black Orchid 4.2 16= Time-Flight 4.2 18 The Visitation 3 19 Terminus 2.8 20 Arc of Infinity 2.6 Well no WORST story. A bit surprising that Earthshock got the top spot over Caves, but Phil's wrong opinion torpedoed Holmes' masterwork. Glad to see Ressurection is up there, it is certainly one of my fabourites. Enlightenment is far too low though, what's wrong with you guys?! Who is divvy for Davison? 1 Ralph 6.5 2 Matt 6.35 3= Phil 5.65 3= Andy T 5.65 5 Karl 5.4 Ralph retakes the throne of 'most enthusiastic commentator' but uh, wow. Davison's average score is 5.91. JNT is ruining the show forever, raaaaar. Lets have a few graphs to finish it off! Firstly, the average of all the scores! And lastly, a super confusing graph comparing everyone's scores. |
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Post by blueshift on Oct 30, 2012 18:44:04 GMT
Season 22 and 23 time! I'm doing Trial as four stories, deal with it!
Attack of the Cybermen -
Vengeance on Varos -
The Mark of the Rani -
The Two Doctors -
Timelash -
Revelation of the Daleks -
The Mysterious Planet -
Mindwarp -
Terror of the Vervoids -
The Ultimate Foe -
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 30, 2012 18:45:43 GMT
How the frak did frakking Time Flight do that well?
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Post by blueshift on Oct 30, 2012 19:02:08 GMT
How the frak did frakking Time Flight do that well? 4.2 isn't particularly 'well'! Ralph gave it an 8, remember. And I didn't find it that offensive. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 30, 2012 19:02:59 GMT
I didn't say Davison was the worst Doctor, merely that he had the worst stories. Tom is in fact the worst Doctor.
Andy
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Post by blueshift on Oct 30, 2012 19:03:58 GMT
I didn't say Davison was the worst Doctor, merely that he had the worst stories. Tom is in fact the worst Doctor. Andy You have an eerily accurate memory! |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 30, 2012 19:06:07 GMT
Attack of the Cybermen - 8
Vengeance on Varos - 9
The Mark of the Rani - 8
The Two Doctors - 6
Timelash -4
Revelation of the Daleks - 9
The Mysterious Planet - 9
Mindwarp - 9
Terror of the Vervoids - 9
The Ultimate Foe - 10
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 30, 2012 19:06:42 GMT
Attack of the Cybermen - 10. Great stuff with plenty of incident both on Earth and on Mondas. Love it.
Vengeance on Varos - 9. Way ahead of its time and only really getting proper recognition now.
The Mark of the Rani - 9. Utter nonsense but such fun any time the Time Lords are bickering. Add an interesting point in English history and some top notch location work and it's winner.
The Two Doctors - 8. Episode 1 is tops then it goes downhill but I cannot hate it for it started my life-long love of the glorious Sontaran Empire.
Timelash - 9. I love it. Leave me alone.
Revelation of the Daleks - 9. Doesn't feel like Doctor Who at all but it has great nightmare-type scenes, Davros being bonkers and cracking dialogue.
The Mysterious Planet - 10. You cannot go wrong with a Ruined Future Earth story.
Mindwarp - 10. Stylish and frightening.
Terror of the Vervoids - 10. "We are doing splendidly!". Beware the Brummie vagcock monsters!
The Ultimate Foe - 10. Top villain the Valeyard has top fight with the best Doctor.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 30, 2012 19:07:07 GMT
I didn't say Davison was the worst Doctor, merely that he had the worst stories. Tom is in fact the worst Doctor. Andy You have an eerily accurate memory! Karl and I discussed this at length previously. Andy |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 30, 2012 19:07:54 GMT
SCHISM IN TURN AND AND BURN! I see some parts of TTOATL are not rated 10!!!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Oct 30, 2012 20:26:16 GMT
Okay, what do I think of Colin?
Attack of the Cybermen - 8. I like it, it's good exciting fun, and I've always been so puzzled at the bashing it gets for some rather off-the-cuff continuity references. It falls down a bit with a rather poor 'final confrontation' as the Cybermen all spin around shooting each other, but it tries to have an actual emotional impact on the Doctor, which is rare in Classic Who!
Vengeance on Varos - 8. Not as great as everyone else seems to think, still good though!
The Mark of the Rani - 7. Good fun, a bit insubstantial though.
The Two Doctors - 9. I love this one. I don't care what you all say!
Timelash - 6. Not nearly as terrible as its reputation. Frankly if the costume and set designs had been a bit more lively, it would be way up there as a camp classic. As it is, they went for grey togas.
Revelation of the Daleks - 10. Yessssss.
The Mysterious Planet - 7. Good start, falls really flat. Sorry!¬
Mindwarp - 9. Most say this is the low point, I think they are mad.
Terror of the Vervoids - 7. Not as good as people seem to think, I do like the ending though. It actually makes the trial central to the story, which really should have been used more.
The Ultimate Foe - 9. Would be a 10 but is let down by the cowardly "OH PERI DIDNT DIE HONEST" bit.
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Post by legios on Oct 30, 2012 21:03:40 GMT
I didn't say Davison was the worst Doctor, merely that he had the worst stories. Tom is in fact the worst Doctor. Andy Indeed - we are much of a mind on that one. Despite the fact that Davison is basically "my" Doctor - started with Logopolis but it was Davison that I first saw a large chunk of episodes for - I do think he has the most consistently mediocre stories to his name in all honesty. I shall ponder my views on the Colin and report back in due course... Karl |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 31, 2012 10:53:08 GMT
Same, the first Doctor I can recall seeing in Part One of Castrovalva. He is great, the stories around him are less so.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 31, 2012 19:22:04 GMT
He was my first Doctor too.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Nov 1, 2012 7:32:09 GMT
Attack of the Cybermen - 8. pt1 is superb, pt2 suffers because of the Cryons but it ain't the turkey fandom thinks it it.
Vengeance on Varos - 2 grim and nasty
The Mark of the Rani - 6 fab first episode but goes to pieces in part 2
The Two Doctors - 4
Timelash - 2
Revelation of the Daleks - 10 Fab stuff, but needs more Doctor
The Mysterious Planet - 5 Holmes is off his A game considerably
Mindwarp - 2
Terror of the Vervoids - 6 decent story but does introduce Mel
The Ultimate Foe - 5 13 is rather good but 14 is just pish
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Post by legios on Nov 1, 2012 21:08:19 GMT
Attack of the Cybermen - 8 (The Cryons are a special kind of rubbish, but the Cyberplan is no stupider than any of their others to be honest and I think the first part does a really good job of setting up mystery)
Vengeance on Varos - 7 (has a decent point to make about televised violence, and its effects on society. Makes me slightly uncomfortable watching it though. One I respect more than I like).
The Mark of the Rani -5 (I enjoy watching The Master and The Rani having their camp arguments but the plot seems somewhat throw-away)
The Two Doctors - 5 ( a really good first episode but does rather lose my attention after that. By the end only the Baker/Troughton/Bryant/Hines axis is keeping me watching)
Timelash - 4 (Doesn't do much for me at all to be honest - but not for the usually cited reasons - Paul Darrow is one of the things that actually entertains me)
Revelation of the Daleks - 9 (Tonally, and structurally a very odd duck. A Doctor Who story that almost entirely marginalises the Doctor. But on the other hand it has a wonderful vein of the macabre and Davros turns in a great Evil Mastermind role)
The Mysterious Planet - 7 (Doesn't actually feel like it has enough plot to justify its length but I actually like some of the character beats - and the courtroom fencing gives us to good actors having a square go.)
Mindwarp - 7 (Wonderfully disorienting sense that I will never know which parts of this story are true within the frame of the fiction. I like a bit of unreliable narration, and this entire story is built from it)
Terror of the Vervoids - 7 (At its best when it is not pretending to be a pale Christie imitation - quite an enjoyable Bar-under-siege story when it lets itself be)
The Ultimate Foe - 8 (Doesn't make a great deal of sense, but then large chunks of it are the Doctor fighting his Id in the middle of a hallucination. It does have a really nice feeling of "anything can happen", and it gives this Doctor a couple of chances to prove that even now he remains the better man)
Karl
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Post by blueshift on Nov 1, 2012 21:46:20 GMT
Lots of interesting stuff there. Looks like everyone had a good time in the 6th Doc era apart from Phil!
While I add all that up, here's the McCoy era for your delectable entertainment
And McGann for good measure
Time and the Rani -
Paradise Towers -
Delta and the Bannermen -
Dragonfire -
Remembrance of the Daleks -
The Happiness Patrol -
Silver Nemesis -
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy -
Battlefield -
Ghost Light -
The Curse of Fenric -
Survival -
Doctor Who the TVM -
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 1, 2012 22:19:13 GMT
Time and the Rani - 2 - just doesn't work at all.
Paradise Towers - 5 - great idea, execution is off
Delta and the Bannermen - 6 - great first episode, but goes wrong after
Dragonfire - 4 - not good.
Remembrance of the Daleks - 10 - splendid effort, great Dalek story, now this is the launch of the 7th Doctor we all know
The Happiness Patrol - 8 can fandom please get past the Kandyman FFS!
Silver Nemesis - 5 - a complete mess of a story, but it has Cybermen
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy - 7 - quite good, but just lacks a little something.
Battlefield - 9 - cracking romp, should have killed off the Brig tho.
Ghost Light - 7 - not as clever as it thinks it is. Very atmospheric though
The Curse of Fenric - 9 - great stuff.
Survival - 8 - Ainley, Cat People what's not to like.
Doctor Who the TVM - 9 - love it to bits. 1 point off for the theme tune.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 2, 2012 7:59:47 GMT
I love the TVM theme tune!
SCHISM IN TURN AND BURN!
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Nov 2, 2012 10:49:57 GMT
I love the TVM theme tune! SCHISM IN TURN AND BURN! -Ralph The theme tune and score are one of the highlights!!! |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 2, 2012 10:55:56 GMT
The score is good, I dislike the theme tune though.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 2, 2012 18:54:54 GMT
You are wrong in the head. It's my second favourite arrangement!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Nov 2, 2012 19:00:26 GMT
It's not mine.
It's a bit weak sounding.
Andy
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