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Post by Nigel on May 25, 2011 13:45:32 GMT
But if the writer's ignoring the G2 comic, then it probably wouldn't be long before the new series' events contradict or exclude G2.
What I meant by it being #93 not #81 is that G2 would remain in the same continuum rather than it being the alternate timeline that it will most likely become if the new series appears.
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2011 13:55:28 GMT
Whatever happens, should it resurface I would not expect any new series to 100% fit with past stories. It's a long time later, comics are written differently, Furman has an extra 20 years writing experience.
So long as any new run is in the general spirit of the original, that's what counts for me.
-Ralph
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Post by grahamthomson on May 25, 2011 14:09:47 GMT
So long as any new run is in the general spirit of the original, that's what counts for me. -Ralph That pretty much sums it up entirely for me. |
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Post by Nigel on May 25, 2011 14:24:41 GMT
Exactly! Where's the Like button? (Yes, I have been spending too much time on Facebook lately.)
On a related note, I now have the campaign flyer and am sending it out with my Transformers orders.
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2011 14:38:27 GMT
Good man!
-ralph
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Post by Dave on May 25, 2011 14:59:13 GMT
Good thinking that man!
Would be cool if this could happen.
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Post by jameso on May 25, 2011 16:46:32 GMT
Jumping it forward twenty years makes it more 'what if the G1 Transformers was still going in 2011' rather than 'what would issue 81 have been like'. Which is fine, just not what I was originally getting excited about. Moral to this story is don't decide what the comic is going to be like yourself before you find out what it actually is about!  And, at a risk of sounding like a 'fanboy', G2 for me has always been set in 1993-1994, and any story that jumped past it as if it didn't happen would be fighting an uphill battle for me. |
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2011 17:33:29 GMT
I suppose I'm less interested in 'what would issue #81 have been like?' meaning: 'what happened directly after #80?' because an 81st regular issue of Transformers was already published by Marvel in 1993. It just happened to be called Generation 2 #1. 11 regular issues followed thereafter which showed me what occured next. That itch has been scratched, as far as I'm concened.
Insert winking smiley face here.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 25, 2011 17:53:28 GMT
Also, for me, I think it would be important that it actually carry on from the end of US 80, with many of the same characters - ie *masters, rather than just rebooting to the 'classic' Sunbow cast. Well, on the Autobot side, Grimlock and Nucleon pretty much did reboot the 'classic' cast (how dare you call them Sunbow!) - albeit becoming Action-Masters. And most of the Headmasters and so on were killed by Unicron. But I know what you mean. There are a heck of a lot of loose ends that could be addressed that would really make it feel like a true continuation and not just another new series that nominally has the Marvel series occurring in its past. Nucleon should definitely be addressed one way or another (preferably using 'Another Time and Place'). So should the Last Autobot. Then there's a mammoth cast of human characters and alien races whose stories can be picked up - the Witwickies, Triple-I, Blackrock, Circuit-Breaker, the Neo-Knights, the Road-Jammers. Bring back Bomber Bill, I say! And alien races like Scraplets, Mecannibals and Deathbringers. Then there are Transformers who just dropped out of the picture - where did the Protectobots go, for instance? What happened to Trypticon? What has happened on Nebulos since the Powermasters left? It would be very, very easy for Simon F to make it really feel like a continuation by picking up any of these and other threads - should he choose to do so. (Transformers UK #333, of course, would have had to tell us what became of Professor Morris and Centurion... oh, and Ultra Magnus.) Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on May 25, 2011 19:11:45 GMT
Petition seems to have gained some traction today. Jumped up to 2122.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on May 25, 2011 19:34:40 GMT
Now I rather enjoy Generation Two but I have no problem with any such relaunch ignoring it completely and moving onwards. All it does is spawn another bubble universe and from where I stand (on the outer-skin of the TMUK shared universe-bubble looking inward and outward) I can see quite a few floating in hyperdimensional narrative space already. We have universes where events from the Sunbow Cartoon occurred (Dreamwave). Universes where Optimus Prime didn't come to Earth until after Prowl had paved the way (IDW Variant-1), Universes where a handful of Transformers came to Earth after the Cola-Cube (LA-Movie)...... and so on and so forth.
I don't think the idea of the Marvel comic spawning a second (or third or whatever) universe where G2 happens but a new ish81 picks up the story twenty-years later doesn't leave me any the worse off. It doesn't make G2 cease to occur, or make Eugenesis or Globequake cease to exist. It just creates a new and different version of events, in this case the product of a writer who has had twenty years to get better at his craft and learn new tricks before returning to some of the ideas that were half-formed at the time of the cancellation.
I don't feel it takes anything away from us, but instead it gives us something.
(But I am a bit of an oddity in this regard. My idea of "Canonical Transformers" has as much or more to do with the TMUK shared-universe than it does with official material half the time....)
As to what cast gets used, I would have no real problem with whomever got tipped to appear in the cast for such a book. Using the Sunbow characters for their universal recogniseablity to the fanbase would be a reasonably sensible editorial decision. With the sheer size of the Marvel Comics cast over all those years you are pretty much guaranteed to be excluding someone's favourite characters. If it happens to be mine then so be it.
All Hail Megatron's problem (other than being excruciatingly dull and unable to deliver what it was sold to us as) is not in using the Sunbow cast. The problem is in the implicit statement that it makes that these are all the Transformers that exist/matter. Furman started out the -tions for IDW by using a main cast that pretty much all had heavy use by Sunbow, but used them to create the sense of a larger universe. AHM by contrast used them in such a way as to shrink one. It isn't necessarily which characters you chose. It is what you do with them.
Karl
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 25, 2011 19:59:30 GMT
PLEASE STOP CALLING THEM THE SUNBOW CAST!
'Tis an insult to them.
Call them Budiansky's characters, or the 1984-6 cast, or the TF Universe Volume 1 cast, or something, please.
Anything but the Sunbow cast.
Well, almost anything.
Thank you.
Martin
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Post by The Huff on May 25, 2011 20:16:12 GMT
Imagine if the original comic WAS still going all this time but it still had to follow the 'rules' and introduce every/most of the new toy lines Hasbro put out over the years, but in the same ongoing story (like they did with the Headmasters etc - no separate universes or reboots allowed)
What would have been done to introduce say, the Beast Wars characters, Armada or Movie designs? Ignoring the TV series that go with each line, this is something I've often thought about.
I wonder what stories we'd have read...
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Post by Bogatan on May 25, 2011 20:26:20 GMT
Well BW would have probably had to follow that bad story in the Primal Megatron 2 pack and some of the stuff from the tech specs, the whole thing would have been quite bonkers.
How they could have gone from that to BM which was totally tied to the cartoon fiction is a mystery, but RID would have been a return to vehicles so that would have seemed more natural. Then Minicons are discovered que reformatting to be compatible with them. Then the minicons mostly die so they go back to classics G1. then they all get hit by the ugly stick.
..... and then theres Animated.
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Post by The Huff on May 25, 2011 20:29:52 GMT
With Beast Machines, that's just it - the comic would ignore the cartoon (if it existed) just like it did with Headmasters and do it's own thing - all in the present day too no doubt.
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Post by Bogatan on May 25, 2011 20:58:55 GMT
Thats why I struggle to imagine it, the Maximals choose to remain animals (animals that no longer serve as a disguise since TMs not that stopped the G1 animal bots) while the cons become vehicons, then going back to RID the Predacons have to re-emerge along with Decepticons while the autobots finally opt for vehicles again.
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Post by legios on May 25, 2011 21:50:31 GMT
PLEASE STOP CALLING THEM THE SUNBOW CAST! 'Tis an insult to them. Call them Budiansky's characters, or the 1984-6 cast, or the TF Universe Volume 1 cast, or something, please. *bows head* My apologies. In my defense I intended to make a specific point about their visibility and cross-fandom recogniseablity through their use in the cartoon. Hence my choice of phrase. No offence was intended. Karl |
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Post by Bogatan on May 25, 2011 22:04:11 GMT
PLEASE STOP CALLING THEM THE SUNBOW CAST! 'Tis an insult to them. Call them Budiansky's characters, or the 1984-6 cast, or the TF Universe Volume 1 cast, or something, please. Anything but the Sunbow cast. Well, almost anything. Thank you. Martin I didn't use the term sunbow cast but it actually is what I meant. I have no problem with the core cast (Furman pretty much wrote all of them at some point anyway) but after AHM what I don't want to see again is the Sunbow cast, thats to say their sunbow characterisation) in an IDW comic. I have confidence in Furman not so much in IDW editorial choices. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on May 26, 2011 5:49:56 GMT
No worries, folks, I was attempting to overact to comic effect, and I too apologise if it came across as overly serious. 'Twasn't aimed specifically at Karl. But it's also a warning for your own good - I wouldn't like to be there when letter-answerer Soundwave got his hands on people who referred to him as a member of the 'Sunbow cast'. Also, for me, I think it would be important that it actually carry on from the end of US 80, with many of the same characters - ie *masters, rather than just rebooting to the 'classic' Sunbow cast. Well, on the Autobot side, Grimlock and Nucleon pretty much did reboot the 'classic' cast (how dare you call them Sunbow!) Martin |
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Post by Bogatan on May 26, 2011 8:46:02 GMT
Don't worry I laughed the first time I read it but it did get me thinking if there was a sunbow cast. Certainly the show cast had different and usually weaker personalities, which is basically the negative meaning I use it in, but in a few cases the cartoon featured characters that the comic rarely did.
Ironhide got a lot of screen time, Jazz didn't do too badly, Wheeljack, Hound, Cliffjumper and some of the Dinobots all probably got more time in the cartoon than comics (Earthforce aside which may or may not even fit in to 81's timeline). For the Decepticons the constructicons and reflector (maybe Soundwave even though he lacked any personality, he appeared a lot and thanks to the voice was distinct) were the same. So more fairly there are a group of transformers that probably are unsuited to be the main players in 81 because they are best defined by being the Sunbow cast.
*runs and hides quietly from Soundwave*
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Post by The Doctor on May 26, 2011 10:44:36 GMT
Petition now at 2214.
-Ralph
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Post by grahamthomson on May 26, 2011 10:45:24 GMT
Yay! We're all talking about Transformers comics again!!
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 26, 2011 15:37:01 GMT
Doing a couple of bits of art to help spread the word:  Andy |
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Post by grahamthomson on May 26, 2011 15:41:11 GMT
My word, Andy! That looks amazing!
I would like to add colours to it.
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Post by Bogatan on May 26, 2011 17:29:52 GMT
Doing a couple of bits of art to help spread the word: Andy That looks fantastic. I had the same general idea for animating the moviemark as an 81 promo, based on the Bob Dylan video with the signs. |
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Post by Rich on May 26, 2011 17:32:31 GMT
Nice work, Andy.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 26, 2011 17:49:55 GMT
Cheers guys.
G has added some old school colours to it as well.
Andy
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Post by grahamthomson on May 26, 2011 18:28:22 GMT
And here are those colours. In the Marvel style, of course.  |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on May 26, 2011 18:37:02 GMT
Splendid G! I also knocked out a more good natured companion piece to it:  Andy |
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Post by legios on May 26, 2011 19:00:19 GMT
Andy, Graham nice work on those. Cracking little pieces for spreading the good word.
Karl
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