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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 17, 2014 15:03:36 GMT
I'm still firmly a No vote but open to changing my mind if the argument could be demonstrated. The so called campaigns by Yes! and Better Together have been dreadful in tone and content. The Yes! groups constant banging on about this mystery 'Project Fear' from BT particularly frustrates me as it is entirely a term made up by the Yes! campaign to sling mud at BT when they occasionally make a valid comment. I'm not convinced that Scottish politicians are any more ready to lead a seperate country than I think the current crop of Westminster politicians are for the UK.
Not been convinced by the Yes! campaigns wild economic speculations either.
Plus they still haven't addressed Higher Education and Research funding in a post-Yes Scotland which will hugely effect me. At best it will be crippled for a number of years as Scotland tries to negogiate keeping all the UK-wide research mechanisms and toys we benefit hugely from currently in the sector. At worse the whole sector is sent into a financial sink hole and our best talent follows the research funding back to the rest of the UK. The more the Yes! campaign blithers in abject denial of this whenever they are asked the more I think they have no idea. Meanwhile they keep touting the HE sector as a reason we will be a strong independent country. Idiots. The whole Independence debate is already hindering research by creating massive uncertainty about funding, funders and jobs.
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Post by The Doctor on May 28, 2014 15:48:28 GMT
My post was ate by cyberspace. The ads are being pulled from cinemas! Hooray!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 28, 2014 16:52:40 GMT
Good, but they have now been cropping up on YouTube. Cut off their head...
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Post by The Doctor on May 28, 2014 17:04:37 GMT
Much easier to avoid on youtube!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on May 28, 2014 19:26:34 GMT
Very happy to see the ads pulled. Both of them were embarressing on many levels. The fact that both sides felt like they had to pull out the "But won't someone think of the Children!" argument made them both look as devoid of actual points to make as they have been so far. Although I felt the one that put words in the mouth of a fictional unborn child telling you which way to vote for her sake was probably marginally worse conceptually.
Karl
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Post by Fortmax2020 on May 28, 2014 19:59:44 GMT
Yes, I found that one particularly frustrating. The biggest 'crime' in the other one was that everyone sounded bored out of their brains!!
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Post by kayevcee on May 29, 2014 10:45:15 GMT
I'm still sort of disappointed to be missing it all  -Nick |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 10, 2014 21:11:11 GMT
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 11, 2014 19:25:04 GMT
Who did that song that goes "please don't go, please don't go, please don't go, please don't go... babe, I love you sooo-" etc?
Don't go, Scotland!
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 11, 2014 19:25:18 GMT
When's the vote again?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 11, 2014 19:48:44 GMT
Sep 18th.
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Post by Shockprowl on Aug 11, 2014 21:37:03 GMT
Eeeek, soon.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 25, 2014 21:34:13 GMT
Well, that 'debate' tonight was rather disgraceful.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 25, 2014 21:46:04 GMT
How so? Didn't see it
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 25, 2014 23:38:02 GMT
Alex Salmond should learn how to behave. And when to shut his mouth i.e. when people are trying to respond to the question he has just asked them and/or when it isn't his turn to speak. Very poor chairing by the BBC guy on the whole although he did ask a few good questions to both candidates.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 26, 2014 5:42:41 GMT
I'm not sure if Salmond forgot or simply didn't care that this debate was being broadcast UK-wide, but he had me spluttering with incredulity at some of the preposterous stuff coming out of his mouth. He completely ignored the well-made point that the people of the rest of the UK, with their antipathy towards the Euro, are unlikely to go for a currency union with what would be a foreign country, and seemed to be saying that if the English, Welsh and Northern Irish exercised their right to retain full control of their own currency rather than share control with an independent Scotland, then Scotland (which he stressed was one of the richest countries in the world) would not honour its share of UK debt. From Wales, one of the poorest parts of the UK, and I imagine from the north of England, that is a sickening position to hear taken.
I was also sorry that the point about nations in currency unions not having full control of their own budgets was not explored. Salmond spent a lot of time ranting about UK Government's spending cuts, as if his hands would be free to borrow and spend as much as he liked if he were in a currency union, which is not the case. Independence will only fully free you from the influence of austerity policies if you control your own currency.
Overall, Salmond came across to me as a smug showman, Darling as someone seriously worried about his country making a mistake that can't be put right again by future generations if they realise it as being such after the fact.
Martin
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 26, 2014 7:16:42 GMT
You've hit the nail exactly on the head about the whole event there Martin.
It became clear within the first few minutes that Salmond was there to get his points across, regardless of the actual questions he was being asked. I think Darling tried to push him on the points you raise but because Salmond kept spluttering and motor mouthing over anything he didn't want to hear it was hard for the audience to hear anything at all.
I think he will be disappointed on the day as yes, there are a lot of Scots who will vote Yes because they don't like some of the Westminister cuts of the last few years but many of us here can see right through his showmanship. No matter how many times he steps away from the lectern.
The BBC guy really should've intervened more. Possibly a mistake having him off to the side rather than between them as it was difficult if not impossible for him to actually get Salmond to stop and show some respect.
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Post by kayevcee on Aug 26, 2014 15:27:58 GMT
Oddly, the BBC was quite complimentary (by their standards) towards Salmond's performance and reported a Guardian poll showing more than 2/3 of respondents thought Salmond came across better than Darling. Maybe that's just the sort of performance they go for.
Watching it now on iPlayer. Been pretty sedate so far, but we're only 9 minutes in.
-Nick
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 26, 2014 17:04:48 GMT
Watching it now on iPlayer. Been pretty sedate so far, but we're only 9 minutes in Wait till you get to the bit where the chairman announces he's going to put his feet up and let them ask each other questions. Whose bright idea was that? Re: post-debate opinion poll - that was just of Scottish voters, I think. The views from south of the border would be quite different. Edit: The Salmond/Darling dynamic was very much like the Farrage/Clegg dynamic from the Europe debate a few months ago, which I was also sad enough to watch, and which was also an instance of the smug loud-mouthed nationalist being proclaimed victor over the sober, second-tier dull man championing staying together. Ironic how similar Salmond and Farrage appear to be in terms of their philosophy, when their arbitrary choices of preferred borders are so diametrically opposed. Martin |
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Post by blueshift on Aug 27, 2014 17:54:47 GMT
I can't say I really like this idea of Scotland defaulting on all its debt if they can't get currency union!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 27, 2014 18:22:49 GMT
It's a stupid idea. IF there is a Yes vote and if they try pulling this one I think the nationalists will find out very rapidly how badly post-Yes negotiations with rUK can go.
But of course this will not be their fault and only fix it in the minds how mean and unfair the horrible English are. Tears before bedtime...
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 17, 2014 22:51:19 GMT
Gentleman. The Day is upon us shortly. Night gathers... For those of us with a vote may we all make wise and informed choices in the morning, no matter which way we may cast our own.
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Post by Cullen on Sept 17, 2014 23:01:08 GMT
Anyone willing to share how they are voting?
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 17, 2014 23:14:18 GMT
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Post by Cullen on Sept 17, 2014 23:41:24 GMT
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 18, 2014 0:12:04 GMT
We're just better together, yes?
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Post by Toph on Sept 18, 2014 5:46:25 GMT
It's been on TV over here a LOT that they announced the "royal pregnancy" as a ploy to keep scotland in the union.
I just want to ask if that's what's being said over there?
Because that just seem an incredibly moronic assumption.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 18, 2014 6:25:32 GMT
It was mentioned by some of the less reputable media outlets on the day the pregnancy was annouced. And then never mentioned again except online by the extremes of the nationalist's Cyberwarriors as it is total nonsense.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 18, 2014 7:16:38 GMT
When is a result expected?
As an Englishman I don't have a vote. But if I did it would be a no.
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Post by legios on Sept 18, 2014 10:28:15 GMT
It was mentioned by some of the less reputable media outlets on the day the pregnancy was annouced. And then never mentioned again except online by the extremes of the nationalist's Cyberwarriors as it is total nonsense. Royal Pregnancy? I think I am more out of touch than I realised. Karl |
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