kayevcee
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Post by kayevcee on Sept 14, 2015 10:30:26 GMT
Good points, Martin, but I doubt the rest of the EU would have the patience for it. A lot of member states would be glad to see the back of us.
Gavin- if every seat in Scotland went to Labour or the Lib Dems, the Conservatives would still have had a majority. It literally wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome of the general election. For better or worse, that lack of influence is rocket fuel for the SNP.
-Nick
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 14, 2015 11:24:15 GMT
For me personally, the UK leaving the EU would be when I would firmly swing behind a yes vote for Scotland pulling away.
We'll see what happens.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Sept 14, 2015 11:30:03 GMT
Aaand. Here we go again.... I've felt this was inevitable since the General Election results to be honest. Given the degree to which the grassroots support of the Nationalists that I have contact with began to work to get momentum for a second referendum two days after the results of the first (in which apparently most "No" voters only did so because they were tricked by evil English Lies, so another referendum was essential so that people could vote with their true Scottish Hearts...) another referendum within three years was my best case scenario. I kind of suspect that given another two years the whole kit-and-kaboodle may be something I can watch from a bit more of a remove, and I kind of look forward to that day. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 14, 2015 12:29:58 GMT
I can't say it exercises my mind much. I seemed to be unusual during the last referendum in that I genuinely wasn't too fussed which way it went and had no strong feelings about it one way or another. It doesn't seem to be a topic of much discussion in Edinburger. Very little chat about it during and since (and I get around a fair bit). I'm struggling to think of seeing much about it at all in daily life actually. I hear more talk about...sausages!
I doubt I'll devote much thought to it until it rolls around again (depending on the outcome of the Euro referendum).
-Ralph
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 16, 2017 17:44:43 GMT
Amazing the difference a racist Brexit Britain had had on changing my mind about the Scottish issue.
Well done, May. On this day you have utterly sealed the case for Scottish independence.
-Ralph
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Post by blueshift on Mar 16, 2017 17:55:15 GMT
Amazing the difference a racist Brexit Britain had had on changing my mind about the Scottish issue. Well done, May. On this day you have utterly sealed the case for Scottish independence. -Ralph Yeah its really scary So which of you chaps will take one for the team and marry me so I can get Scottish citizenship? |
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Post by Benn on Mar 16, 2017 18:35:21 GMT
I've already got about three people asking me that, and I don't even get to vote on the issue. Bah to dual nationality!
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Post by legios on Mar 16, 2017 21:04:46 GMT
I feel your pain. I don't qualify for a vote on it any more either, now that I am in the south of the country. But at the moment I have to say that if I did I would vote for independence. The economic argument no longer really holds water. The threat of "if you leave you will devastate your economy" no longer really works when it is followed by "you should stay so that we can devastate your economy along with the rest of the UK".
The position of "it is illegitimate to have a referendum on leaving a union until you know what they circumstances will be if you do" holds very little water either. It also, if applied to the European Union referendum, makes the latter illegitimate and also impossible. After all, we cannot know what the circumstances of the UK after it leaves the EU until after negotiations are completed. Negotiations which cannot start until we have already decided that we are leaving and the date on which we are leaving (notification+18months).
Although we can make a fair guess - massive tarrif barriers to trade with European nations, the likely significant increase in the cost of basic foodstuffs as a result, the departure of large parts of the financial sector to Brussels, Switzerland and points from which they can effectively conduct business, and likely the dismantlement of the NHS in order to improve our healths by creating profits for US Medical Insurance firms...
Karl
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 29, 2017 17:12:01 GMT
We live in interesting times. Good to see Sturgeon not blinking and also good to see what opposition parties should do: namely state an alternative and hold those in power to account. At least the Scottish Labour and Tory leaders are putting some effort in. Feels much more mature than the Brexit 'debate' so far.
-Ralph
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