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Post by The Doctor on Sept 1, 2017 20:20:14 GMT
Cast were decent and it was putting the Inhumans properly on screen with their powers and costumes all like in the comics but an astonishingly dull, vapid, boring and lifeless production, ie it felt just like Agents of Shield* in that respect. Terrible scripting, leaden direction. Just like AOS it felt like a bit of cheap 90's TV. A real shame as I did like the cast and good to see Lockjaw on screen.
-Ralph
*Although I gave up on AOS after trying a few eps of S1 so maybe it got better.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 1, 2017 20:24:03 GMT
Cast were decent and it was putting the Inhumans properly on screen with their powers and costumes all like in the comics but an astonishingly dull, vapid, boring and lifeless production, ie it felt just like Agents of Shield* in that respect. Terrible scripting, leaden direction. Just like AOS it felt like a bit of cheap 90's TV. A real shame as I did like the cast and good to see Lockjaw on screen. -Ralph *Although I gave up on AOS after trying a few eps of S1 so maybe it got better. That's a shame. The trailer looked like it was super dull, but you can never tell from trailers alone! |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 1, 2017 20:33:46 GMT
Oh it was dull as fuck.
-Ralph
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 2, 2017 0:35:30 GMT
The shame is that once in a while there are moments when you can see what it could have been. Either as the full blown MCU film it was meant to be or given the sort of budget Game of Thrones has it could have been really good.
A lot of its problems are down to the direction, like Ralph said, its dull. But its made worse being seen on Imax. I imagine the TV edit of this will seem better. For this to work it needed to be treated as a full stand alone movie followed by a 6 episode TV series. Not as parts 1 and 2 of an 8 part TV series.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 2, 2017 16:54:28 GMT
Having pondered it for a while, I actually quite liked it. Not as a movie, but as the first quarter of a miniseries I want to see more.
Having said that I have the bad feeling it wont come good.
By the end of the first episode they had already managed to write out a good chunk of the potential VFX budget. If they couldnt even afford to keep the big VFX in place for the whole Imax presentation what hope for the rest of the series.
The basic plot was perfectly fine, but the script and direction where pretty flat. Again, if thats the best they could manage for the Imax filmed pilot its unlikely to get better.
The costumes are my main annoyance as they represent everything lacking with the budget. They are cheap beyond any justification. Its like if JJ Abrahm had gone on ebay and picked up the cheapest reproduction TOS costumes he could find and used them in the 2009 film.
But then on the plus side
Black Bolt, I really liked the guys performance. I want to watch more of it.
Medusas hair, the cg is not perfect, but the hair has personality (a bit like Strages cape)
Lockjaw, again cg isnt perfect, but even GOT couldn't get the Direwolves right.
The possibility of a Phil Coulson crossover.
And theres the hope it improves as much as AOS has over the last 5 years.
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 2, 2017 18:33:34 GMT
Biggest annoyance apart from the cheap costumes was that despite being edited in to a movie length form they left in about 3 flashbacks that only make sense for the tv version. I had just about got in to the story when they popped up clearly pointing out that we had just started the second episode. Considering I think the two episodes are going to be shown back to back that shows very little faith in the TV audience, but in movie form the events in the flashback happened literally seconds beforehand and need no explanation at all.
Very sloppy editting.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 2, 2017 18:40:33 GMT
I agree with all of your points. It was an amateurish production all round. It felt like watching a fan-film at many points.
Such a shame. The cast were trying so hard.
-Ralph
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 2, 2017 20:22:18 GMT
When is this on over here and where? Geek Town's usually exhaustive list of upcoming tv shows just says it hasn't been picked up yet. Who's making it? Is it linked to a US broadcaster that would give an indication?
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 2, 2017 21:06:06 GMT
Its on ABC taking the Agent Carter slot. I think it starts end of this month in the US Runs for 8 weeks or possibly 7 if its a double episode. Then Agents of Shield takes over, squeezing in its first mini season before Christmas.
If Channel 4 pick it up it could be months before they show it. Any of the satellite channels will probably be closer to US broadcast.
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Post by Pinwig on Sept 2, 2017 21:41:24 GMT
Ah right, that slot. Carter ended up on Sky didn't it? I can't remember now. I'd have thought this was quite a big deal; why show the first two eps at the cinema if it isn't going to be followed up soon?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 3, 2017 12:05:36 GMT
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Post by blueshift on Sept 3, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
Not seen it myself yet, but those points do look fair (and I even had the same MOTU thoughts from the trailer). None of the design work I've seen looks interesting - Attilan looks like a lot of cheap beige empty rooms. I'd have loved a Vin Diesel Black Bolt  |
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 3, 2017 12:36:48 GMT
With no comic book reference to go on I dont know what liberties they are taking, but I didn't mind Attilan, it was set as a refuge with limited resources so the mix of somewhat grand and basic worked to an extent. Some added colour may have helped, maybe there was a call to have different colour palettes for Attilan and Hawaii, still less grey and beige would have helped.
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Post by blueshift on Sept 3, 2017 12:49:05 GMT
With no comic book reference to go on I dont know what liberties they are taking, but I didn't mind Attilan, it was set as a refuge with limited resources so the mix of somewhat grand and basic worked to an extent. Some added colour may have helped, maybe there was a call to have different colour palettes for Attilan and Hawaii, still less grey and beige would have helped. I always thought Attilan was supposed to be some high tech techno-utopia on the moon. Though Marvel change the Inhumans so often! In their spat with Fox they've been really pushing the Inhumans over the X-Men in the comics to the extent it has made me hate the Inhumans. Whoops!  |
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Post by Bogatan on Sept 3, 2017 13:13:16 GMT
Yeah Im vaguely aware of all the comic shenanigans, its a shame it crept in to the MCU as well. In the absence of mutants they would have served the films well.
Oh well.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Sept 4, 2017 11:49:20 GMT
Just out from seeing it. I agree with comments from Bogatan and Burns. I will watch more at some point when I can access it but it is the promise of the cast bringing me back not the script or directing. Those were indeed dull.
Hoping Tendril and D'Compose show up sooner ratber than later...
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Post by Toph on Sept 30, 2017 2:38:53 GMT
So finally aired. It was genuinely better than expected. But that was a really low bar as I never had any interest in the inhuman stories or characters before, added to how poor this looked.
I don't think the dullness is the fault of the basic story, but instead it feels drawn out. Like this two hour "movie" basically was only a little longer than what they could fit in an hour, and needed to stretch it out.
It also does not feel like it's part of the MCU. It doesn't feel like the movies, and it doesn't feel like AoS. This could both be a good thing, or a bad thing. Though right now, I think it's leaning to bad.
I could see Mockingbird, Daisy, and Daredevil standing next to Ironman, Thor, and Captain America. Series budget issues aside, they all feel like they live in the same universe. So far, I can't see any of these characters standing with even the more fanciful parts, like Hulk and Rocket.
The actors are pretty good. I really liked Karnak, Gorgon, and Blackbolt. I feel the cast is where the series' strength lies. And unfortunately, everyone is solo through almost the entire "movie." So no one really has anyone to play off of. They kind of neutered their best asset, the chemistry between the actors.
There's nothing to say about the effects or costumes that hasn't been said (though I really appreciate that they played up the silliness of Blackbolt's leather coat).
But I'm willing to chalk this up to my TV (I screwed up the settings accidentally when I had my glasses off), but the production and fimlography felt more like a Skinemax production (or a high budget mid nineties direct to video movie), over an IMAX film.
Here's what I mean: you get a sense every so often while watching TNG or Voyager, that it was filmed on video instead of film, or otherways. The lighting, the camera movement.
Like I said, I screwed up my TV, and had a similar feeling from another low budget movie I'd never seen before, too. So I'm willing to concede that it may be me.
All in all, I think maybe this should have been a high budget theatrical animated movie. And people need to get over this "cartoons are for kiiiidz!" BS and accept that it's a valid form of story telling.
Edit: Okay, yeah. So that video feel is entirely my television. Watched an animated movie and it had that feel, and just turned over to "The Postman" and it has that feel.
I don't know how to fix it, because I don't know what I did to screw it all up.
Edit 2: After all day and all evening, I think I fixed it. I no longer feel like I'm watching Xena, at least.
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2017 1:47:37 GMT
Okay, so watching tonight's Inhumans, I had a revelation that changes my opinion about the series.
I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it skews to a much younger demograph than most MCU. Where as Agent Carter may be a bit too boring for younger kids, and AoS may be a bit too intense, but I kinda think this might hit the preteen demograph pretty well.
And you know, while DC is crushing Marvel in television representation, and even they skew towards teen+. And superheroes *should* be accessible to kids. At least some of them should.
All that said, I'm not sure the writers understand that Lockjaw *isn't* a giant dog with superpowers.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 7, 2017 6:40:32 GMT
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Post by Toph on Oct 7, 2017 8:54:11 GMT
Huh. Everything I've read for decades is a lie.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 11, 2017 12:50:18 GMT
Yeah, one of John Byrne's missteps and always rang false. Was very happy with the PAD retcon.
Andy
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Post by Toph on Oct 11, 2017 14:00:42 GMT
Keep in mind, I genuinely have never cared about or directly read anything inhuman, until Ms Marvel. All my knowledge of them before now has been reading about things written about them.
Even though she was married to quicksilver, to this day I have no clue what Crystal actually does. And even two/three episodes in, I still don't know her powers.
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Post by legios on Oct 11, 2017 19:39:37 GMT
Even though she was married to quicksilver, to this day I have no clue what Crystal actually does. The way I recall it, mostly hangs out with the Fantastic Four and dates Johnny Storm... Karl |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 14, 2017 20:29:38 GMT
Marries Quicksilver and of course becomes an Avenger and gets in the mix of the Black Knight/Sersii nonsense.
Andy
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Post by Toph on Oct 14, 2017 21:12:29 GMT
And both of her love interests are owned/used by Fox.
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Post by The Doctor on Nov 16, 2017 22:29:17 GMT
As we prepare for the new Justice League movie let us not forget the first AMAZING Justice League movie from 1997!!! www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x3f1sMartian Manhunter is still 'amazing'. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Nov 16, 2017 23:04:51 GMT
And that was SEVEN YEARS after The Flash tv series which kicks it's butt in quality and writing. And that series was still goody as hell.
Why is it that even as late as the late nineties, movie execs still had a fifties view on superhero fiction? This was a year before Blade!
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Post by The Doctor on May 7, 2019 20:59:52 GMT
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jan 22, 2020 21:57:09 GMT
New Mutants bumped yet again! Stepping discs. Soul Sword. Demon Bear. Things are looking up. Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 22, 2020 22:11:59 GMT
Made 3 years ago and bounced around the schedule many times! I'll believe it when I see it!
-Ralph
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