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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 20, 2017 22:51:30 GMT
Amazon's date has drifted from 28th March to 6th June
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Post by primenova on Feb 21, 2017 7:24:16 GMT
I expect it could be down to printing - that IDW may have a number of other projects to get out & that could also be the reason for changing release dates.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 21, 2017 12:42:54 GMT
I will eat my pants if this ever comes out. How many years ago was volume 5? Will Hachette finish their series before volune 6 comes out?
-Ralph
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Post by primenova on Feb 21, 2017 16:08:11 GMT
We should have v6,7 before we get to #80. But with IDW - it isn't anything to do with the contents it always print placement isn't it. James has got all the proofs up for v8 ready to go over & add extra & format?
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Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 22, 2017 1:28:23 GMT
Maybe the shelled Pretender Beasts on the cover aren't a mistake and colour Survivors/Race are going to be included, with the delay being a combinstion of waiting for them to be done and letting Hachette have them as an exclusive for a while?
Reaching? Moi?
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 22, 2017 12:17:37 GMT
Who would own (specifically) the colour file versions of those stories? Hachette or Hasbro?
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 22, 2017 18:36:56 GMT
Ultimately Hasbro would own them, but at the end of the license I would imagine Hachette would in all likelihood delete the files - as we can surmise that is what has happened with the Titan files - hence every reprint IDW has put out being either poor quality, or those half-assed "remasters" which ruin the linework. While Hachette have their license I think unless IDW and them have a nice gentleman's agreement if IDW wanted the files they would have to go through Hasbro to get them from Hachette.
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Post by blueshift on Feb 22, 2017 18:42:20 GMT
Ultimately Hasbro would own them, but at the end of the license I would imagine Hachette would in all likelihood delete the files - as we can surmise that is what has happened with the Titan files - hence every reprint IDW has put out being either poor quality, or those half-assed "remasters" which ruin the linework. While Hachette have their license I think unless IDW and them have a nice gentleman's agreement if IDW wanted the files they would have to go through Hasbro to get them from Hachette. It probably depends on the contract signed with Hasbro. I wouldn't have thought any work done on the strips would automatically default to Hasbro. I'd imagine Hatchette own the copyright on the colouring work, but they can't do anything with it unless they have the license to print, so IDW would need a seperate deal with Hatchette to print them in those colours. That's how the Doctor Who DVDs work, and why when they're broadcast they're still the crappy unrestored versions, because the restoration work is owned by 2entertain |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 22, 2017 22:46:53 GMT
That's a different market, and the comics industry is a really weird entity when it comes to contracts, so I wouldn't assume that Hachette own the copyright on anything, especially as they are not creating something new as such, but modifying an existing work.
Andy
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 23, 2017 0:58:37 GMT
Stuff created under license from Hasbro belongs to Hasbro for Transformers.
I would expect they'd need to actively archive the stuff themselves to be able to use it in the future, which they didn't bother to do with the Titan reprints, but should have done. I don't see that being a problem with the newly coloured strips as even if Hasbro don't bother to archive the files, JP probably will.
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Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 25, 2017 13:51:18 GMT
IDW are almost certainly involved in the colouring at some level, even if only splitting the cost with Hachette. Though considering that--as far as I'm aware--these partworks don't normally do anything other than straight reprints rather than mucking about with altering the content, it's more likely IDW are supervising the whole process with Furman and Hachette are just the first beneficiaries of the result by throwing money at it.
Doing this has been a dream of Furman's for years (it's why Titan compromised on those horrid little books for the B&W stuff as that was only supposed to be a preamble to coloured versions), but IDW also have a general reticence to printing black and white UK comics, as far as I'm aware everything they've reprinted (Dredd, Who) has been given the colour treatment. Being able to do the same with the TF stuff and not having to cost it all themselves would be a bonus. And of course, this series is being done through them and they currently manage all the comic rights so whatever is produced is basically theirs in the end anyway.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2017 14:03:31 GMT
They don't manage all the comic rights Stuart. They have a very specific agreement that extends for North America and Candada That's why other publishing companies put out TF comics outside of North America (Titan, and Signature in the UK, and the various publishers in Europe - Panini being one of them as I recall) and also how Fun Pub could publish their convention comics through the direct market as well. I assume they've negotiated something to allow them into the Direct Market over here - after the issues with Dreamwave and IDW's own Doctor Who comics.
As for them having any involvement - possible, but not guaranteed. I know Rebellion are involved with the Dredd partworks, just from the 2000ad podcast and that it's Panini that help with the Marvel one but given IDW's unwillingness to throw money at previous Transformers reprint material in the past, I'd be somewhat skeptical of them having any involvement in financing the project especially given how long it would take for them to see any money from it.
In this instance i think it's likelier that Hachette are ponying up the cash, given the roaring success of partwork GN series, which are fast becoming the main comic distribution channel in the UK.
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 25, 2017 14:24:47 GMT
IDW don't pay for the UK Classics material*, I don't see them paying for colouring for someone else to print. If it was the case, they'd get a mention in the indicia of the books.
*I don't get paid for scanning stuff, Lloyd doesn't get paid for cleaning scans, not even comp copies. Not sure if Roberts gets paid for his contributions these days.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2017 14:27:03 GMT
IDW don't pay for the UK Classics material*, I don't see them paying for colouring for someone else to print. If it was the case, they'd get a mention in the indicia of the books. *I don't get paid for scanning stuff, Lloyd doesn't get paid for cleaning scans, not even comp copies. Not sure if Roberts gets paid for his contributions these days. No, I'm pretty sure he has said in the past he's not paid for the backmatter that is produced. Not even comp copies though, that's fucking shitty. Andy |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 25, 2017 14:30:02 GMT
*I don't get paid for scanning stuff, Lloyd doesn't get paid for cleaning scans, not even comp copies. Not sure if Roberts gets paid for his contributions these days. That's pretty scandalous!! The least they could do is comp copies, jeez! |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 25, 2017 14:42:14 GMT
That's amazing. Are they working on the premise they're doing you a favour by publishing the books!? Mad!
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Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 25, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
Whilst I know some fans (and that may well extend to Roberts as well) have been fantastic and helped out for free, a bulk of the people working on the UK Classics book will have been paid for it, layouts, proofreading, Wildman's cover and so on, it's a little unfair to say they don't spend any money on them.
A lack of an IDW credit isn't especially conclusive (oddly in comparison to have these things normally work the copyright page makes no mention at all of the original publisher) considering Bove isn't properly credited for his work either, just that nebulous "Aditional re-colouring" nod on the Hachette staff credits and copyright page that's oddly on every book. Did he recolour the stock images for the covers as well perhaps?
They're at least as involved as handing the material over (as they would be with the other regional publishers of their stuff. One of the things James mentioned when we were interviewing him was IDW are really helpful to the Chinese MTMTE publisher despite getting there basically being no money in it for them once everything is divided up) and if we're going to hold up corner cutting as an example of them not doing it, Hachette ignoring every bit of feedback on the trial issues, not even going as far as to quickly go in photoshop and remove that erroneous Transformers masthead from T:2006, suggests they're not that keen to flash the cash themselves. A financial team up between the two to get what they both want more cheaply is really the most likely option.
IDW's logo is (or at least was in that trial, I don't know if it's carried over to the final design for the full run) all over the Eaglemoss Star Trek Partwork by the by, suggesting its absence here might be more of a Hachette quirk than a hard and fast rule of the licence.
If/when IDW properly reprint the B&W stuff I will eat my hat if it's not the colour versions used. And not one of my nice hats, the mangy one I wear to walk to work that smells when it gets caught in the rain.
Mind, I was being a tad factitious originally, I'll be amazed if the Wrong Looking Pretenders on the cover isn't just a minor goof and we won't know for sure till book 7. And who knows what my hats will be like by then?
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2017 15:14:15 GMT
James is notionally one of the two editors of the book, he is not bring paid for most of the work being done so it's not unfair to criticise them for it. Especially when other publishers will if at least not pay will ensure comps are provided for people who do work that they profit from.
Also - the scanning and clean up is the bulk of the work, everything else is window dressing.
Andy
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Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 25, 2017 15:30:21 GMT
Oh let me be clear, I do absolutely think everyone involved should be paid regardless if they're a fan who is happy to volunteer (and God bless 'em). Especially as if they hadn't come forward whoever IDW got to sort out scans in their own office would have been paid (or at least it would have been work covered by their salary) and probably not done as good a job as can be seen in some of IDW's Dreamwave reprints.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2017 17:41:42 GMT
IDW are almost certainly involved in the colouring at some level, even if only splitting the cost with Hachette. Why would an American publisher be paying some of the fee for colouring comics for a British publisher selling a line of books only available in another continent? -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2017 17:43:40 GMT
IDW don't pay for the UK Classics material* *I don't get paid for scanning stuff, Lloyd doesn't get paid for cleaning scans, not even comp copies. Not sure if Roberts gets paid for his contributions these days. That's disgraceful. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 25, 2017 17:47:13 GMT
That's amazing. Are they working on the premise they're doing you a favour by publishing the books!? Mad! IDW has form. I recall Denyer stating that he was not paid for the summaries he produced for the previous versions of Classics to replace the issues IDW did not have the rights for at the time. Personally, if a professional publisher is putting out a product for sale with the aim to make money for it, those responsible for the production should be paid for at the very least the minimum wage for number of hours worked. Does this kind of shit happen in prose publishing? I was aware IDW did not pay for contributers for their Classics book, hence why I did not bother to provide copies of the pages of original Marvel art I have. Not going to pay for work done ie scanning material? Then they can't have it. -Ralph |
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Post by inflatabledalek on Feb 25, 2017 18:06:41 GMT
IDW are almost certainly involved in the colouring at some level, even if only splitting the cost with Hachette. Why would an American publisher be paying some of the fee for colouring comics for a British publisher selling a line of books only available in another continent? -Ralph Because they also have the rights to reprint the material, generally prefer to present the British comics they have the licence to in colour rather than black and white and splitting the cost saves them money. (To tagent: Doesn't the books being in Previews means they will be available in America? The Who ones are, albeit only in specialist stores, somewhat behind and sporadically distributed) Considering the level of work involved in scanning the series it should have been paid work. I would be happy to share anything Hachette might ask about gratis because the scans are all at my fingertips and it just takes seconds. Same for scanning aspecific piece of original art or whatever. The work here is of a different magnitude though. Mind, I know from interviewing Lloyd he was extremely happy to do this just to see it done right, and that's his prerogative of course. |
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 25, 2017 18:11:28 GMT
Mind, I was being a tad factitious originally, I'll be amazed if the Wrong Looking Pretenders on the cover isn't just a minor goof and we won't know for sure till book 7. And who knows what my hats will be like by then? I know what's in book 6, it will go up to #214. Why are the Pretender Beasts on the cover? They're in issues #211 and 212. As far as I'm aware, Roberts does get comp copies for Classics UK now, but I don't know if they've started paying him for the editorial/interview work yet. Bear in mind that the series grew into what it currently is from a different project, and one of the reasons the work is done despite lack of financial reward is because we wanted the material out there and easily accessible to the fandom. |
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 25, 2017 18:13:24 GMT
(To tagent: Doesn't the books being in Previews means they will be available in America? The Who ones are, albeit only in specialist stores, somewhat behind and sporadically distributed) They're in the Previews UK section, not the Previews catalogue main. |
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 25, 2017 18:19:32 GMT
Considering the level of work involved in scanning the series it should have been paid work. I would be happy to share anything Hachette might ask about gratis because the scans are all at my fingertips and it just takes seconds. Same for scanning aspecific piece of original art or whatever. The work here is of a different magnitude though. Mind, I know from interviewing Lloyd he was extremely happy to do this just to see it done right, and that's his prerogative of course. Also, the vast majority of the stuff was already available to IDW, the bits I'm scanning and Lloyd is cleaning up are whatever IDW didn't already have [basically anything they hadn't already reprinted]. The first volume of Classics UK involved Roberts sending his issues to IDW, they scanned stuff and sent the issues back. Logistically it was easier to get us [Lloyd and myself] involved to do it, and fans are more likely to do a better job. |
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 25, 2017 18:23:13 GMT
Why would an American publisher be paying some of the fee for colouring comics for a British publisher selling a line of books only available in another continent? -Ralph Because they also have the rights to reprint the material, generally prefer to present the British comics they have the licence to in colour rather than black and white and splitting the cost saves them money. Colouring the strips was Furman's idea, IDW were not involved. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Feb 25, 2017 18:24:12 GMT
Why would an American publisher be paying some of the fee for colouring comics for a British publisher selling a line of books only available in another continent? -Ralph Because they also have the rights to reprint the material, generally prefer to present the British comics they have the licence to in colour rather than black and white and splitting the cost saves them money. (To tagent: Doesn't the books being in Previews means they will be available in America? The Who ones are, albeit only in specialist stores, somewhat behind and sporadically distributed) Considering the level of work involved in scanning the series it should have been paid work. I would be happy to share anything Hachette might ask about gratis because the scans are all at my fingertips and it just takes seconds. Same for scanning aspecific piece of original art or whatever. The work here is of a different magnitude though. Mind, I know from interviewing Lloyd he was extremely happy to do this just to see it done right, and that's his prerogative of course. IDW have no rights. They have a licence and unless Hachette give the material to Hasbro they can in theory tell IDW to take a run and jump if they ask for it. |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 25, 2017 18:28:01 GMT
Mind, I know from interviewing Lloyd he was extremely happy to do this just to see it done right, and that's his prerogative of course. Oh yes, but stuff like complementary copies in lieu of payment cost IDW practically nothing! Just feels really really rude and penny-pinching! |
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Post by Jaymz on Feb 25, 2017 18:43:50 GMT
Oh yes, but stuff like complementary copies in lieu of payment cost IDW practically nothing! Just feels really really rude and penny-pinching! To be fair, I doubt Lloyd's ever asked for comp copies, they'd probably send him one. Personally, IDW have helped me out in the past, worth more than any comp copies. |
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