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Post by The Doctor on Aug 6, 2017 12:18:55 GMT
I think we should all know by now, given the fine work by those talented folks at Omni Productions for their dub of Victory that his name is in fact DEATHSANRAS. Andy My esteemed colleague is correct! The correct name is DEATHSANRAS. -Ralph |
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 6, 2017 12:20:08 GMT
I think we should all know by now, given the fine work by those talented folks at Omni Productions for their dub of Victory that his name is in fact DEATHSANRAS. Andy I always assumed there was never a translation difficulty, it was more "Oh god, Deathsaurus sounds stupid" I am shocked at you. There were no translation difficulties. The fine Stardub folk were crafting Shakespeare for the modern age. Every word was expertly arranged. -Ralph |
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Post by Toph on Aug 6, 2017 12:45:47 GMT
She's not a pretender. Her altmode is a human. Like Sari Sumdac. |
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Post by Toph on Aug 6, 2017 12:54:11 GMT
I think we should all know by now, given the fine work by those talented folks at Omni Productions for their dub of Victory that his name is in fact DEATHSANRAS. Andy I always assumed there was never a translation difficulty, it was more "Oh god, Deathsaurus sounds stupid" I do not disagree. I'm not fond of Dezarus, but it's ultimately somewhat nonsense, like Unicron or Xaaron, so it works on the alien name level (far better than an alien car calling itself Bumblebee seven million years before coming to earth). But Deathsaurus is just...stupid. |
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Post by Toph on Dec 14, 2017 14:56:33 GMT
Okay I have a theory that'll make phil proud.
Airraid and Blast Off were swapped out at some early point. Early enough that the animation corresponded to the changes, but late enough that the production bible was written.
One thing that always hung heavy over the combiner teams was... why do the combaticons have a space shuttle? That never made sense, and for decades has been something Hasbro has danced around.
So, here's my train of thought-
• Space Shuttle DOES make sense for the only team of autobots (at the time) dedicated to flying.
• The Aerialbots are not a military themed group (despite four of them being fighter jets)
• A brown and purple space shuttle also makes no sense.
• It does look smashing on an aerialbot, as proven by CW Blastoff.
• In the cartoon, the aerialbots are written as being created from space shuttles.
• The Combaticons are created by Starscream from military equipment.
Why Airraid?
• Airraid is an F-15. The only other F-15s at the time were Starscream and his repaints.
Counter argument-
• Unlike almost everything else in G1, the Aerialbots are uniform. They all have identical engineering. They're meant to be a team.
• If Airraid (or any other aerialbot) was originally at some point intended to be a combaticon, there's not really any reason he had to use the same transformation scheme as the aerialbots.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 15, 2017 9:22:44 GMT
I can see what Mr J is getting at, and indeed a later point Sixwing has a space shuttle, not a jet. But all evidence points to Superion having been all jets all along I *believe* we've seen an even earlier image than this. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 15, 2017 9:27:33 GMT
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Post by Toph on Dec 15, 2017 10:22:27 GMT
Okay, earlier than that, then. I still find it plausible that at some stage a jet may have been intended for the military themed team, while a shuttle was intended for the aircraft team, and for whatever reason they were swapped out.
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Post by drmick on Dec 15, 2017 17:25:09 GMT
Is there any reason why the 1987 Headmaster and Targetmaster toys and boxart have heads that differ so much from the animation models?
I know such changes are not uncommon, but it seems to be particularly prevalent with that bunch.
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Post by Toph on Dec 15, 2017 19:59:30 GMT
Well the box art is based on the toys. The animation models screwed up, probably due to sunbow's general incompetence.
And we know it's not based on earlier designs, because I think the earliest designs were quite different than either.
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 15, 2017 21:44:08 GMT
Big Phil, tell us the Sideswipe and Sunstreaker one again.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 15, 2017 22:31:03 GMT
tmukhub.proboards.com/post/221043/threadWho is who? Sideswipe's the red one? what do you mean? The Revelation! Of Moons ago! The terrible Revelation! It has sown doubt and disassociation! Sideswipe should have been Sunstreaker, and Sunstreaker should have been Sideswipe!!! PHIIILLLL!!!!!!!! Sideswipe is the red one, Sunstreaker is, as the name infers, the yellow one.  The problem is, when you read their tech specs and TFU entries, that their tech specs describe the other's robot & vehicle modes and weapons. Sideswipe is nearly the equal of his twin brother, Sunstreaker, in the combat arts, but less cold blooded. Relishes a fight to the finish with an opponent. Uses underhanded tactics when absolutely necessary. Arms act as powerful pile drivers. Flies for up to 2 minutes with rocket backpack. Fires flares visible for 18 miles. Rash actions often lead to injuries to himself. Takes them all in stride. The pile drivers are Sunstreaker's arms. The rocket backpack is the Super Charger in robot mode. The flares are the things mounted on Sunstreaker's shoulders. The complete egotist, Sunstreaker thinks he is the most beautiful thing on Earth. Loves his sleek styling, contemptuous of other Autobot race cars (particularly his twin Sideswipe). Fires laser-guided ground-to-air rockets and high energy electron pulses at 300 bursts/sec. Tough polymer-steel skin resists artillery. Not a team player. Can be baited into dangerous situations, but is a very calm, competent, and ruthless war machine. His styling is less sleek due to the super charger. The laser-guided ground-to-air rockets are Sideswipe's shoulder launcher. The high energy electron pulses come from Sideswipe's gun. More? Profile: Although nearly as capable as his twin brother Sunstreaker in the combat arts, Sideswipe is far less cold-blooded about it. He thoroughly relishes engaging an opponent in a fight to the finish, and will use any dirty underhanded tactic he can think of to come out on top. Back on his homeworld of Cybertron this conduct extended itself to the rest of his lifestyle: getting what he can out of life, enjoying it to the fullest, and cheating to get the rest. His exile to Earth hasn't changed his behavior, just his cause - now instead of doing everything for himself he does it for the sake of freedom for all. Personal safety takes a backseat to his reckless, but brave actions.
Abilities: In Autobot mode, Sideswipe's two arms can be used as piledrivers. Each exerts 8000 pounds of force upon impact with up to five impacts per second, making him particularly useful in close combat and for breaking through fortifications. A rocket back-pack can sustain him in the air for two minute spurts before refueling is necessary. When launched, two shoulder-mounted magnesium phosphorous flares can each be seen from a distance of 18 miles on a clear night.
Weaknesses: If it weren't for his rash behavior, Sideswipe wouldn't have any serious weaknesses. But as he often acts without consideration of the consequences and takes a special delight in plunging into extremely dangerous situations, Sideswipe, more than any other Autobot, finds himself being patched together by Chief Medical Officer Ratchet. Naturally, he takes his injuries in stride. The makes it clear there are TWO flares. Sideswipe has one launcher. Sunstreaker is the one that spends most of the TF comic injured. Profile: Sunstreaker is the complete egotist. He feels he is simply the most beautiful thing on Earth. He is constantly discussing his sleek lines, his aerodynamic styling and he is loudly and continually grateful to the Ark for giving him such a magnificent body. Sunstreaker is faintly contemptuous of the other sports-car Autobots, particularly his fraternal twin Sideswipe, whose design, he says, is spoiled by the rear-mounted engine in his automobile mode. When he is in his robot mode, Sunstreaker is the most dangerous, most ruthless of the group; a calm, competent war machine. His biggest fault is his tendency to stop so that people can admire him when he ought to be tending to business.
Abilities: In Autobot mode, Sunstreaker wears a right shoulder-mounted, laser-guided, ground-to-air missile launcher. Each missile is the equivalent of 450 lbs. of TNT and can down a Decepticon jet fighter at a maximum distance of 37.5 miles. He also carries an electron-pulse gun capable of emitting at 300 bursts per second a beam of highly energized electrons (the high rate of emission makes it effectively a continuous stream of electrons). A sustained burst of 1.5 seconds will burn a 3 inch hole in a .5 inch-thick plate of titanium-alloy steel. His upper torso construction incorporates a tough polymer-steel skin, making him particularly resistant to artillery fire.
Weaknesses: A potent arsenal and tough hide like Sunstreaker's would be sufficient to preclude any serious weaknesses, if it weren't for his ego and sociopathic tendencies. His inability to be a team player and overriding lust for battle often diminish his overall value to the Autobots, and the ease with which he can be baited by anyone, including adversaries, often puts his well-being in serious jeopardy. Sunstreaker has the rear mounted engine, not Sideswipe! Sideswipe has the one shoulder mounted missile. Sideswipe has the gun Sunstreaker doesn't. So Sideswipe should be a Red Countach Super Tuning, like the Diaclone version www.diaclone.net/orid/dia036/index.htmlSunstreaker should be a Yellow New Countach, like what we know as Tigertrack www.tfu.info/2003/Cybertron/Tigertrack/tigertrack.htm Quad Erat Demonstrandum. Again.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 15, 2017 23:17:59 GMT
Lies!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 15, 2017 23:36:15 GMT
Since he isn't here, I feel it's appropriate I repost this: Phil is upsetting Ralph with his lunatic Sideswipe/Sunstreaker theory again. Ralph is sad. He cries tears of pain. -Ralph |
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Post by Pinwig on Dec 16, 2017 0:04:05 GMT
Quite frankly I still think it's amazing that they are both the same car, but turn into different robots!!!! I mean, what?!!!! How can that be?! 1984 is the future, man!
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 16, 2017 8:42:06 GMT
Big Phil's right! He's right! It hurts, I know, but the theory is sound. The brothers should have been the other way round. IT MAKES MORE SENSE.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 16, 2017 10:41:36 GMT
He might be right... but he is wrong. Look at the names on the boxes!
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Post by Benn on Dec 16, 2017 10:51:50 GMT
They toys are the real thing. Words are merely written things and can lie. The thing itself cannot.
Look:
"Prowl transforms into a Porsche 911" See? The toy is different to the words, but we know which is the truth.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 16, 2017 10:53:21 GMT
Have I done the "Battle in A Box Ransack should have been Constructicon Scavenger" here?
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Post by Benn on Dec 16, 2017 11:08:54 GMT
I don't think so...
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 16, 2017 13:45:37 GMT
Oh Goodie! A new theory! A new theory!
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 16, 2017 14:01:40 GMT
Oh no this isn't a new one, have you not heard my take on this before?
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 16, 2017 14:10:35 GMT
Here is Armada Hoist: www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/Hoist/hoist.htmHe is one of my favourite TF toys of all time. You will agree that the general vehicle design invokes Constructicon Scavenger? www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Scavenger/scavenger.htmAnd if you swapped Hoist's white for Green, Brown for Purple and Orange for either of the above, you'd be most of the way there? Which is what I think was intended for Battle in a Box Ransack www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/TFURansack/ransack.htmRansack and Scavenge having reasonably similar name meaning, with Scavenger being unavailable to recent prominent Armada use. Only somewhere along the line instructions got mixed up. The white, which should have been green, ended up purple. The legs, which should have been purple, ended up grey/brown (these might be unchanged from Hoist or his Japanese version) Most of the orange got left unchanged except for the orange on his Minicon Refute which did become the green, meant for the white www.tfu.info/2004/Mini-Con/Refute/refute.htmResult: a bit of a mess allround. The other vehicle in the set Smokescreen, is a G1 homage of sortsL the Smokescreen colours on the Armada Smokescreen toy so I'd expect this one to be too www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/TFUSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm |
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Post by Shockprowl on Dec 16, 2017 14:33:31 GMT
Makes sense to me.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 16, 2017 14:56:11 GMT
I'm sure M will be along shortly to play Substitute Ralph and scorn this idea
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Post by Toph on Dec 16, 2017 15:05:00 GMT
I find it kinda sketchy myself.
It's easier to swap colors between two different but similar molds during production, such as Sunstreaker and Sideswipe.
It's another to accidentally design a color palette wrong from the start in one toy only, leaving out the main color altogether.
And there's no connection between this Smokescreen and G1. If he were homaging the original, he'd have been promarily red.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Dec 16, 2017 15:10:06 GMT
With Ransack I'm saying they designed it with the right colours which somehow got mangled/confused by/on the way to the factory.
Something like "use the Hoist Colours but make Sprue A Green, Sprue B Purple, Sprue C Orange" and then the As, Bs & Cs get mixed up.
I'd have said Smokescreen was more Blue than Red but I see where you're coming from as there is a big slab of red in his middle
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Post by Toph on Dec 16, 2017 15:23:01 GMT
I don't see it.
Homages were far more rare back when this was made.
They were just as happy to slap a new colorscheme on an existing character (smokescreen), and create an all new character (crystal widow), as they were to create an homage (ultra magnus).
From our standpoint, these things are so rarely done now, they, they're practically unheard of. (Hotrod?!? IN BLUE?!? Hotrod IZ REEEEED!!!! And what SJW bullshit is this giving UZ A NEWEEWWW CHARACTORRRRRR ITS NOT GEEEWUUUUUN!!!!)
But it was the standard practice back then.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Dec 16, 2017 16:43:19 GMT
I'm sure M will be along shortly to play Substitute Ralph and scorn this idea How does Ransack and Scavenge(r) mean remotely the same thing?? Nonsense. Did the mms whisper this to you in your sleep? Give me Season 7 TNG ANYTIME. |
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 17, 2017 18:06:04 GMT
He might be right... but he is wrong. Look at the names on the boxes!  That's a legit European release. |
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