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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 10, 2016 22:29:23 GMT
Glad to hear it.
Walt is joy!
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jun 14, 2016 17:47:20 GMT
After reading the first volume of Walt FF I'm now half-way through Vol. 2 of Miller Daredevil. Quite a contrast! Stories are very good but somewhat lacking in joy, and I'm still struggling to find a reason to like the hero other than how heroic he is.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Jun 14, 2016 18:43:24 GMT
Daredevil isn't a title to read if you want to be filled with joy.
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Post by The Doctor on Jun 14, 2016 19:05:28 GMT
I loved Mark Waid's run. That was full of joy!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Jun 14, 2016 20:46:55 GMT
Miller's run on Daredevil is rather grim stuff. I rather like it, but it isn't a happy story by any means. It is hard to imagine a bigger contrast between that and Walt's Thor I have to say.
Karl
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Jun 15, 2016 10:38:46 GMT
The brief Karl Kesel run before it was cancelled and came back under Kevin Smith is also a nice fun run.
Andy
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 16, 2016 7:52:58 GMT
Martin left with the remaining 2 Miller Daredevil Visionarues + Born Again and the Simonson FF volumes some of which he'd already read in a Death's Head trade. Finished the first of the three Daredevil books (Miller Visionaries Vol. 2). I have to admit I found that a bit of a slog. High quality stuff, but lacking in fun. Looking forward to getting back to FF with Simonson Vol.s 2 and 3. Martin |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Jul 28, 2016 5:14:55 GMT
Finished Simonson FF. Wonderfully bonkers.
Back to Daredevil now. They will not defeat me with their brooding pessimism!
Martin
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 18, 2016 19:22:41 GMT
Finished Daredevil at last!
I have to say I found Miller Volumes 1-3 the very opposite of unputdownable. Sure, he knows how to compose text for the page of a comic, you can't deny that, but where's the vital ingredient that makes me interested in the characters? Over the course of these books Matt Murdock goes from too-noble-to-be-true to a quite unpleasant fellow over that distasteful master relationship with his fiancée. I couldn't find anything to like in him or Elektra to make me care what happened to either of them.
But in 'Born Again', everything seemed to click. By taking everything away from him, Miller made him a sympathetic character at last. I liked this book a lot.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Aug 18, 2016 19:35:52 GMT
The issue where Matt fights the fake Daredevil is one of my very favourite comics. Got a floppy copy here somewhere.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 18, 2016 19:55:05 GMT
Born Again is indeed tops.
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Aug 18, 2016 19:58:49 GMT
Finished Daredevil at last! I have to say I found Miller Volumes 1-3 the very opposite of unputdownable. Sure, he knows how to compose text for the page of a comic, you can't deny that, but where's the vital ingredient that makes me interested in the characters? Over the course of these books Matt Murdock goes from too-noble-to-be-true to a quite unpleasant fellow over that distasteful master relationship with his fiancée. I couldn't find anything to like in him or Elektra to make me care what happened to either of them. But in 'Born Again', everything seemed to click. By taking everything away from him, Miller made him a sympathetic character at last. I liked this book a lot. Martin Yep. Born Again is one of the few Frank Miller stories I find I can re-read. Mostly because it is a story which retains hope in a way that most of Miller's output doesn't. It is great stuff. Karl |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2016 7:35:00 GMT
Martin is returning the Simonson FF and Miller Daredevil on Saturday.
So what shall we get him to read next?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2016 19:16:31 GMT
You need to narrow it down for us.
Has he read ROM?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2016 19:40:42 GMT
Yes, that was a thought but it means back issues rather than trades.
I'd be willing to lend him my Rom, we know where he lives ......
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2016 19:42:12 GMT
Martin has read (from memory) most X-Men and Avengers from the 80s as well as Miller Daredevil, Simonson FF, Simonson Thor & Claremont New Mutants.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2016 20:02:54 GMT
Yes, that was a thought but it means back issues rather than trades. I'd be willing to lend him my Rom, we know where he lives ...... I think Martin would enjoy ROM. -Ralph |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 26, 2016 20:04:14 GMT
Please bear in mind what I've enjoyed (Simonson, Claremont) and what I haven't (Daredevil + post-1990s stuff).
Andy (I think) recommended Excalibur which you (I think) don't have but is coming to Epic Collections in the near future. That's been duly noted.
I've read very little Hulk. Anything good in that line?
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 26, 2016 20:11:44 GMT
I've read very little Hulk. Anything good in that line? Martin MANTLOTAINMENT! Hulk 290 may be one of the greatest Marvel comics ever. Ralph and I agree on this so it must be true. |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 26, 2016 20:14:25 GMT
ROM has some similarities in style with Budiansky Transformers, is tied into Marvel's 80's line and has lots of reading hence why I nominate it for Martin. It will also open your mind to Mantlotainment.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 26, 2016 20:19:34 GMT
It will also open your mind to Mantlotainment. -Ralph The greatest backup strip in the UK TF comic already did that. More madness in the tradition of the original Rocket Raccoon mini-series would suit me nicely. Martin |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 1, 2016 13:59:22 GMT
Martin has been supplied with the Hulk trades Pardoned & Regression and the first 30 issues of Rom.
A double dose of Mantlo & Our Pal Sal!
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 1, 2016 20:44:32 GMT
A fine selection of Mantoltainment. Is Hulk #290 in one of those trades?
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Oct 1, 2016 21:06:25 GMT
It is.
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 1, 2016 21:34:52 GMT
Fabulous.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Oct 2, 2016 21:33:30 GMT
It will also open your mind to Mantlotainment. -Ralph The greatest backup strip in the UK TF comic already did that. More madness in the tradition of the original Rocket Raccoon mini-series would suit me nicely. Martin You will not be disappointed. Chances are you will weep that Mantlo wasn't given the Transformers to run with. Andy |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 8, 2016 7:21:24 GMT
Have so far read Rom #1-3 and Hulk #269-271. So far enjoying Hulk more than Rom, as the stories are more imaginative and the characters more colourful. In Rom everyone so far has been very black-and-white and intensely serious. However, I shall keep reading. I see the similarities to Budiansky's story-telling in both series.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 8, 2016 17:10:27 GMT
ROM becomes much more involved and complex as it goes on.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Oct 8, 2016 18:28:20 GMT
ROM becomes much more involved and complex as it goes on. -Ralph Which is the canonical spelling, Rom or ROM? Martin (annoyed by the inconsistent use of Space Knight, Space-Knight and Spaceknight in the early issues) |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 8, 2016 21:46:41 GMT
Not sure but I think of him as ROM.
-Ralph
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