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Post by The Doctor on Aug 20, 2017 7:46:26 GMT
He will.
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Aug 21, 2017 21:33:51 GMT
Honestly, I don't think he will.
As The Champions are gash.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2017 21:55:04 GMT
I am 100% confident based on Martin's previous comments regarding Marvel Comics that he will enjoy The Champions. I stake my Marvel-themed bedtime jogging bottoms on it. If I am wrong I will eat it.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 23, 2017 16:07:26 GMT
You'll both have to be patient. This week I am mostly watching Supergirl season 2 on Blu-ray.
Martin
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Post by Bogatan on Aug 23, 2017 18:47:05 GMT
Going back to Captain Britain I discovered at TFN that Budianski designed his Mask. It was one of the first things he did at Marvel.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Aug 28, 2017 17:26:40 GMT
Five issues into The Champions, and finding it lightweight fun.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 28, 2017 18:11:12 GMT
I knew it!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Aug 28, 2017 21:16:13 GMT
I question the wisdom of admitting this with ATAP still incomplete.
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 4, 2017 19:51:32 GMT
I've finished the first of the two Champions TPBs. Finding it an easy enough, amusing read, though so far it has very much been the story of a team that is trying too hard to be a team and is doomed to fail. Two of them are clearly unsuited to being in any kind of team and a third has been planning to quit from the get-go. They had a big public launch event but have spent most of their time getting attacked by people with grudges against the individual members, and haven't actually done much that is useful to society.
By contrast, the Defenders exist in secret and keep saving the world from demonic threats without the world ever knowing.
Martin
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 4, 2017 20:07:38 GMT
We will sort you some Defenders, but it may need to be b&w!
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 4, 2017 21:04:48 GMT
The Champions are much better then The Defenders.
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 5, 2017 5:32:24 GMT
We will sort you some Defenders, but it may need to be b&w! I am currently reading your Defenders Epic Collection in full colour. The Champions are much better then The Defenders. -Ralph Then I clearly haven't seen them at their best. The Defenders have just saved the universe from Satan and Mephisto. The Champions have been fighting Rampage, "the every-man of super-villains, the first menace born of the recession... because the world still needs heroes!" Martin |
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 5, 2017 7:00:05 GMT
Just you wait until the Champions fight... the Swarm!
-Ralph
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Post by Jim on Sept 5, 2017 7:04:49 GMT
There's the potential for a meta-narrative with The Champions, on how you can put together a team of really interesting and competent individuals but they won't achieve much as a unit (this is something that we talk about in software development quite a bit).
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 5, 2017 7:52:20 GMT
We will sort you some Defenders, but it may need to be b&w! I am currently reading your Defenders Epic Collection in full colour. So you are! Following volume ordered yesterday btw! The thing is, this isn't the really good stuff in terms of Defenders. The real gold is a run from 20-41 by Steve Gerber, sadly never reprinted in colour in trades (has it had a HC reprint?) Andu will atest to how good it is! Your best bet is to read it in Essential Defenders 2 & 3. |
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 5, 2017 9:03:11 GMT
The Gerber stuff is indeed top notch and worth reading.
The Defenders is far better than The Champions.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 5, 2017 11:25:44 GMT
Is it balls!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 5, 2017 22:28:58 GMT
Away and boil your head.
Andy
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 6, 2017 7:21:27 GMT
Gerber was not a good writer of comics, alas.
-Ralph
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 6, 2017 7:28:08 GMT
Your Mileage May Vary on that one. At least two of us think his Defenders run is superb.
Besides he wrote Giant Size Man Thing and purely for that alone he has to get some credit.
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 6, 2017 22:28:18 GMT
No. Burns is wrong.
That is all.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 6, 2017 22:37:25 GMT
I was just never able to get into his writing style. My deep loathing of Howard the Duck also reigns supreme. How the fuck the MCU brought him back but I still don't have big screen Kang angers me intensely!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 8, 2017 23:31:35 GMT
We've explained this before.
If Josh Trank's FF hadn't shat the bed, you probably would have one now.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 9, 2017 8:51:40 GMT
I will still get Kang on the big screen!
-Ralph
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 9, 2017 16:03:01 GMT
Due to being off work, I have finished all the collections lent to me by Phil, namely The Champions Classic Vol.1-2, West Coast Avengers: Zodiac Attack and The Defenders Epic Collection.
I don't know why we're comparing The Champions with The Defenders. They fill very different niches in the Marvel universe. The Champions were a failed attempt to create a superhero team in the public eye like the Avengers or the Fantastic Four, in Los Angeles. The Defenders are an off-the-books group with zero media profile, who secretly fight demons and other supernatural enemies of Earth, like the X-Men do with evil mutants.
The Champions was a necessarily short-lived comic about an ill-thought-out team doomed to failure. Even their H.Q. was built with shoddy materials. The fact that the 'Champsignal' consisted of switching on office lights in their building to create a letter 'C', which would therefore alert all team members who were standing outside looking at the building, that they were needed, said it all. No character could be said to be the brains of this team. But it's still an entertaining read, once you realise the writers _aren't_ trying to sell readers the idea that the team they're writing about is a good team.
Martin continues to dislike troublesome braggarts with over-inflated egos who choose to be members of teams but don't wish to engage in teamwork. Hercules. Wonder-Man. The Sub-Mariner. Ghost-Rider. Captain Britain. If you're not a team player, don't join a team!!!
Doctor Strange is high up the list of superheroes who I would like to think was out there defending me from baddies. He inspires confidence. Thoroughly enjoyed both the DS and Defenders Epic Collections and would be pleased to read more of the same.
Still haven't made up my mind whether I think the West Coast Avengers are a team to respect or one that deserves to fail (like the Champs and, from what I've seen of their early run, Excalibur). It's a bit of an odd one, as unlike X-Men (Prof. X), Fantastic Four (Reed) and the Defenders (DS) WCA's biggest brains (Iron Man and Hank Pym) aren't in the driving seat. And yet Hawkeye seems to be doing a decent job as leader, following instinct rather than intellect. But Wonder-Man is a major weak point and deserves to be booted for his excessive heckling.
Martin
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 9, 2017 20:45:36 GMT
YES!!! All right thinking people agree Wonder Man is useless!!!
-Ralph
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 9, 2017 22:37:44 GMT
No he's not.
Wonder Man and Beast are a grand double act. I will grant you in early WCA he is not up to snuff though.
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Post by Philip Ayres on Sept 9, 2017 22:53:57 GMT
Doctor Strange is high up the list of superheroes who I would like to think was out there defending me from baddies. He inspires confidence. Thoroughly enjoyed both the DS and Defenders Epic Collections and would be pleased to read more of the same. next Defenders epic in sequence is in the post to me as we speak and I have the dozen issues following that, the start of The New Defenders, in a trade. |
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Post by Grand Moff Muffin on Sept 10, 2017 5:26:25 GMT
Wonder-Man doesn't deserve to share page-time with the magnificent Beast. Even his codename makes me scratch my head and ask "What were Marvel thinking when they created this guy?"
Martin
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Post by Andy Turnbull on Sept 10, 2017 8:48:10 GMT
Wonder-Man doesn't deserve to share page-time with the magnificent Beast. Even his codename makes me scratch my head and ask "What were Marvel thinking when they created this guy?" Martin No, no, no, no. The seventies Avengers run, the two were firm friends - proper buddy cop territory. It was one of the highlights of it,Phil will back me up on this. Wonder Man was a wrong 'un to start with. Andy |
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