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Post by Bogatan on Jan 23, 2018 20:09:11 GMT
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Im really curious to find out how long the show will remain in the mirrorverse and whether they will stumble upon Real Lorca and take him back. Spoiler
They've already got a Real Lorca, he's just not form the same neighbourhood as them... :-)
I'd be very surprised if "our" Lorca was still alive. I'm inclined to assume that the Buran was mostly vapourised at the Battle of The Binary Stars, and that the Federation Lorca was vapourised with it. What better way for Lorca(m) to cover his tracks than by making sure that there was only one Lorca around to be found?
Karl Spoiler
It depends on how close to the good (bad) old fashioned reset button they want this show to get. If they want to continue with Lorca it seems there are 2 options. Lorca(m) is kept on board Discovery for reasons or they find other Lorca and he is kept on board Discovery for reasons.
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Post by legios on Jan 23, 2018 20:11:07 GMT
I assume it is a half season arc. I mean yeah it was silly, but Burnham deciding to help the evil emperor who just murdered a planet and warn her that there was someone out to get her was sillier!
In her defense, the woman has the face, voice and likely a lot of the mannerisms of someone Burnham was very close to, and for whose death she blames herself. Somewhere, likely on a subconcious level there will be some sense in her that this is her second chance - an opportunity to not make mistakes, not be responsible for Georgiou's death. That kind of guilt can do some fairly drastic things to your thinking, your worldview, and how you react to situations. (Note that she describes the evidence that she hands over as being "yours". She's not thinking clearly in this matter and I can't really blame her.
Huh. That never entered my head to be honest - it didn't look much like a web to me, more like the strands of the fungus that made up the network were dying. Something I kind of assumed was a result of whatever Stamets(m) was doing to it in his pursuit of self-advancement. (I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to have at least been approached by Lorca when he was setting up his coup - even if he wasn't an actual conspirator).
Mind you though - the Tholian's having some actual connection to a multi-universal phenomenon would at least explain Star Trek: Onlines otherwise entirely nonsensical insistence that the Tholians come from outside the Federation's universe and invade it through dimensional rifts...
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 24, 2018 20:40:01 GMT
A few things have occurred to me. -Ralph {Spoiler}Firstly that we don't actually know that Lorca is EEEEEEEEEEVIL. For one thing, the information we are given about him being a cad and "grooming" Michael come from a not entirely reliable source (despot leader of an evil empire). We know he is trying to take power but we don't necessarily know why. There could be an element of altruism in it. He may have been a cad but grew to feel the empire was going too far so felt he was the 'better' person to take over. We also don't know when he crossed over to the proper universe. In that universe he has been protective and manipulative with Michael but not cruel or leering towards her. He also showed signs of appearing to genuinely care about winning the war there. Was it all about winning or does he have a conscience? Or was he developing one via exposure to proper Starfleet?
It's reasonable to assume his mission is doomed in part or in whole: 10 years later when Kirk and co cross over to his universe the Terran Empire seems just as cruel and awful as it is here.
The storyline doesn't even contradict 'Mirror Mirror'. You can be sure Stafleet Command put reports of the affair where their most important ship in the Klingon war was commanded by a man from another universe at the highest levels of 'Top Secret'. You can imagine some hyperventilating at top brass level when Kirk's report came in!
Secondly, it occurs to me that the way the theme tune for the main title sequence is structured appears to be mirroring (no pun intended) the structure of the season story arc. I'm thinking specifically of the pacing of the piece, where the strings come in and the precise placement of the Alexander Courage fanfare. Of course, I may be seeing (or hearing) things that aren't there! |
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Post by Pinwig on Jan 26, 2018 23:06:19 GMT
WHAT.
My word this is a good series.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 27, 2018 13:13:31 GMT
{Spoiler}Elder Burns complained the Mirror Universe ripped off a DS9 storyline until I reminded him that it's the same MU as in DS9! |
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Post by Bogatan on Jan 28, 2018 3:47:47 GMT
A few things have occurred to me. -Ralph {Spoiler}Firstly that we don't actually know that Lorca is EEEEEEEEEEVIL. For one thing, the information we are given about him being a cad and "grooming" Michael come from a not entirely reliable source (despot leader of an evil empire). We know he is trying to take power but we don't necessarily know why. There could be an element of altruism in it. He may have been a cad but grew to feel the empire was going too far so felt he was the 'better' person to take over. We also don't know when he crossed over to the proper universe. In that universe he has been protective and manipulative with Michael but not cruel or leering towards her. He also showed signs of appearing to genuinely care about winning the war there. Was it all about winning or does he have a conscience? Or was he developing one via exposure to proper Starfleet?
It's reasonable to assume his mission is doomed in part or in whole: 10 years later when Kirk and co cross over to his universe the Terran Empire seems just as cruel and awful as it is here.
The storyline doesn't even contradict 'Mirror Mirror'. You can be sure Stafleet Command put reports of the affair where their most important ship in the Klingon war was commanded by a man from another universe at the highest levels of 'Top Secret'. You can imagine some hyperventilating at top brass level when Kirk's report came in!
Secondly, it occurs to me that the way the theme tune for the main title sequence is structured appears to be mirroring (no pun intended) the structure of the season story arc. I'm thinking specifically of the pacing of the piece, where the strings come in and the precise placement of the Alexander Courage fanfare. Of course, I may be seeing (or hearing) things that aren't there! {Spoiler}Ive found the people online concerned/foaming at the mouth over the show contradicting mirror mirror quite bizarre.
of all the probably quite real continuity problems this one seems the most over blown. Assuming Discovery makes it back it'll probably be via the spore drive and that tech is classified and for one reason or another wont be used afterwards s o starfleet dont have to worry about that route. (My guess some technobabble solution saves the network but makes it unnavigatable) the only other known route is defiants which is not crew friendly so isnt going to be used by them and unlikely to be used as an invasion method by the terrans.
It doea raise the question of how starfleet/section 31 handle defiant. Someone somewhere will know any transfer to the ship is a likely death sentence. How on earth do they go about selecting crew?
As long as they dont end up transporting home I dont see any conflict.
theres also the posibility that as with the defiant they end up travelling through time and wind up getting home after mirror mirror, or undiscovered country or voyager. Or a different universe and they really werent in the prime universe to start with.
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2018 11:52:29 GMT
Disappointed to see the end of Lorca and for him to turn out to be unambiguously eeeevil. Isaacs was great, and a shades-of-grey character with a redemption arc would have been more interesting. Yeoh has not been putting in her best work, so it doesn't feel like a good swap.
Mixed feelings about them turning up in (apparently) another alternate timeline, too, and I never felt the episode had any real tension. "All life in all universes will die if we don't do this thing!" was seriously over-egging it as well.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 30, 2018 12:27:34 GMT
I agree.
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Post by drmick on Jan 30, 2018 19:02:32 GMT
And since when did the spore drive become capable of time travel?
That last episode had very shoddy plotting. Up until the point that Lorca did his Trump impersonation I was still siding with him over Georgiou. There was nothing there to make me like her, and I couldn't understand why Burnham so quickly did so.
I can't stand Burnham to be honest, she keeps messing things up, and yet the entire ship think she is brilliant! How? All the true genius shown far has been by Stamets, Tilly, Lorca and even Saru and Tyler.
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Post by blueshift on Jan 30, 2018 19:08:20 GMT
Yeah ugh, I was really enjoying it too. At least they've started to give Ensign Robot Face #2 some lines But holy crap, Burnham is a complete idiot who automatically sides with the Emperor, who is a proven mass murderer and just ate someone in front of her, against her Captain, who all she knows about him is that she served with him and he saved her and he wants to stop the evil mass murdering emperor.
The problem is, the show seems to think she is 100% right. I mean she WAS right in that Lorca was evil but there was no reason to think that at all. |
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Post by legios on Jan 30, 2018 21:57:12 GMT
Yeah, I don't think that they stuck the landing at all.
I can see what they were going for. We were supposed to feel like we had been sucker-punched by Lorca too, and that Georgiou-evil was the lesser of two evils but in honesty they simply didn't sell that at all. I can understand why Burnham made the choice that she made. Part of it is guilt-driven - she is still grieving for her Georgiou whose death she blames herself for - and part of it is a very selfish and self-protective unwillingness to watch Georgiou die again. But that is _her_ reasons for what she did, and doesn't represent a reason for me to agree with the action. And I think it is that latter caveat that the writers room lost sight of. They gave Burnham plenty of reasons to rationalise what she had done, but simply assumed that the audience would agree with them because Burnham is the main character and assumed that we would simply line up with her because "we had been following along with her all along". Unfortunately for them, whilst I have come to like Burnham, I don't simply agree that a decision is a sound one just because a/the main character is the one making it. Heck, I've probably agreed with Saru as much as I've agreed with Burnham so far this season, because I'm not convinced her judgement is always particularly sound! I can see what they were going for, but I just think that they fluffed the "sell" in the final analysis.
I am quite befuddled as to the fact that we have come out of that arc with Yeoh back in the show as well. Given how uncomfortable she seems, and how it is affecting her performance I can't help but feel that this is a colossal error of judgement. The loss of Issacs is unfortunate as well. Even given that they pulled the "Ha ha! I was eeeeeevil all along!" thing, such a final end seems like a waste. If there was any villain on the show who deserved the chance to pull a fist-waving "I'll get my revenge on yooooouuuuu!" it was surely Gabriel Lorca.
That said, the episode wasn't entirely without things to enjoy. It had surprisingly good action sequences - the cooridoor confrontation between the Emperor and Lorca was great fun, and the fist-fight in the throne room was surprisingly well choreagraphed. (Did anyone else catch the two "fake leg" kicks in the fight? Amusing to see an old HK standby in a modern American action sequence). Isaacs was wonderful in full scenery chewing mode. The sort of high-octane villain melodrama that is a real joy to watch.
Saru's pep-talk and his whole "She is not Lorca's. She is ours, and this is her maiden voyage" scene was absolutely brilliant. My immediate reaction was Saru for Captain henceforth please. The matter-of-fact but absolutely unyielding delivery of his "I don't like the rules of the universe. Go and find a way to cheat" speech was pure Starfleet Captain material.
Seeing the Mirror Analogue to the Discovery's original Security Chief was a fun surprise, and somehow there is something vaguely amusing in the fact that she is basically the same terrible person in the evil universe that she was in the good one. Apparently some folk are just nasty people no matter what. :-) I did enjoy seeing her own cockiness get her killed _again_ to. Although it was never going to top "death by angry Water Bear" lets face it.
I also liked that it was Lorca's own sense of destiny that was his undoing in the end. He was quite convinced that the entire universe was lining things up so that everything would go his way...and then Burnham points out that she doesn't believe in fate.. I knew then that he was in for a very long fall from his perch. It felt like it fitted the character, rather than being a moment of random sudden stupidity or a weakness pulled from thin air.
Mirror Stamets was great too. Nice performance from an actor who has been somewhat inconsistently served by the show until now. I liked the fact that Lorca knew that he'd switch sides at the drop of a hat and was smart enough to use that as well.
It wasn't a good episode, and they dropped the ball very badly in ending what had been a good mini-arc. There were things in there that I enjoyed, but at best it was distinctly a Curates Egg of an episode. Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 30, 2018 22:03:05 GMT
While I wasn't entirely convinced by Lorca's storyline I did still enjoy the episode.
Two left to go!
-Ralph
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Post by legios on Jan 30, 2018 22:09:49 GMT
I was wondering about that - I'd lost count and wasn't sure how close we were to the end of the season.
I enjoyed it too. It may not have stuck the landing in terms of the overall story-telling - as a big action-focused bit of television it was very enjoyable and well-executed. And it is a real pleasure to see Jason Isaacs just open the throttle and go for it. Just as in the third episode the gusto of his performance was one of the great pleasures of the episode.
Karl
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 3, 2018 13:27:28 GMT
Aww man. Why introduce a killer plot twist that extends right back to the start of the series, then chuck it out the window in the next episode!?
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 3, 2018 15:16:46 GMT
Lorca Its quite possible Issac was only interested in the role because it was limited to one season.
And they never did properly explain where Prime Lorca went and if desired his death could stil beturned in to being "absorbed by the network". Either way I don't think we've seen the last of some kind of Lorco.
They really didn't nail the finale, but as much as guilt, I saw Burnhams siding with Georgiou being because Lorca had betrayed her and the whole crew. But Lorca needed to do something to prove he was the bad guy, unfortunately that didn't happen until he tried to destroy Discovery. That or something like it needed to have happened near the start of hte episode. Otherwise Burnhams plan is based on a bad feeling. Sadly the weakest episode of the mirror story, but not a disaster. and Still a better first 12 episodes than other Treks can claim. |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 3, 2018 15:35:06 GMT
Lorca {Spoiler}Its quite possible Issac was only interested in the role because it was limited to one season.
And they never did properly explain where Prime Lorca went and if desired his death could stil beturned in to being "absorbed by the network". Either way I don't think we've seen the last of some kind of Lorco.
They really didn't nail the finale, but as much as guilt, I saw Burnhams siding with Georgiou being because Lorca had betrayed her and the whole crew. But Lorca needed to do something to prove he was the bad guy, unfortunately that didn't happen until he tried to destroy Discovery. That or something like it needed to have happened near the start of hte episode. Otherwise Burnhams plan is based on a bad feeling. Sadly the weakest episode of the mirror story, but not a disaster. and Still a better first 12 episodes than other Treks can claim.
I could understand if the plot was that Burnham was wrong in automatically trusting the obviously evil Emperor over the not obviously evil Lorca, but the show acts as if that was the logical thing to do. Everyone on the Discovery suddenly hates him too. I'd understand if he'd ever done anything evil or untrustworthy but he was a pretty stand up guy until about halfway through that last episode!
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Post by drmick on Feb 3, 2018 16:09:48 GMT
Lorca {Spoiler}Its quite possible Issac was only interested in the role because it was limited to one season.
And they never did properly explain where Prime Lorca went and if desired his death could stil beturned in to being "absorbed by the network". Either way I don't think we've seen the last of some kind of Lorco.
They really didn't nail the finale, but as much as guilt, I saw Burnhams siding with Georgiou being because Lorca had betrayed her and the whole crew. But Lorca needed to do something to prove he was the bad guy, unfortunately that didn't happen until he tried to destroy Discovery. That or something like it needed to have happened near the start of hte episode. Otherwise Burnhams plan is based on a bad feeling. Sadly the weakest episode of the mirror story, but not a disaster. and Still a better first 12 episodes than other Treks can claim.
I could understand if the plot was that Burnham was wrong in automatically trusting the obviously evil Emperor over the not obviously evil Lorca, but the show acts as if that was the logical thing to do. Everyone on the Discovery suddenly hates him too. I'd understand if he'd ever done anything evil or untrustworthy but he was a pretty stand up guy until about halfway through that last episode!
Not halfway through- right up to the very end of it. They bring that guy in to threaten to kill him, and the killer asks him to name his sister, at that point you believe there is no chance Lorca can know and you can see the pain in Lorca's face as there is nothing he can do to save the other prisoner. Or at least that's how it was portrayed. |
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Post by blueshift on Feb 3, 2018 16:12:33 GMT
There's been another ep since then
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Post by legios on Feb 3, 2018 18:34:36 GMT
Aww man. Why introduce a killer plot twist that extends right back to the start of the series, then chuck it out the window in the next episode!?
Door... They threw it out a trap-door, not a window... :-)
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 3, 2018 19:24:05 GMT
Ha! Very good, very good.
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 4, 2018 21:56:56 GMT
Not just a trap door... a Space Trap Door. Awesome. |
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Post by Pinwig on Feb 4, 2018 22:43:41 GMT
Don't you open that traaap dooooor!
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Post by Fortmax2020 on Feb 6, 2018 23:20:31 GMT
This week's episode was the best ever. ARCHER! |
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Post by drmick on Feb 7, 2018 20:39:55 GMT
It was shit. Clearly they only had enough material for 1.5 episodes and needed to fill the rest out with a lot of pointless talking scenes.
Now when I watch a scene all I can think of when Burnham talks is "F**k off, Burnham". As in, that is what I would say to her if I was the other person in the scene.
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Post by legios on Feb 12, 2018 21:28:40 GMT
This week's episode was the best ever. ARCHER! Karl |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 12, 2018 21:57:15 GMT
{Spoiler}Well the finale was an episode of television. All the right beats were there but for the conclusion of a war story it need action and peril. As in any of that at all. Let's go to the Klingon homeworld! But piss about in an Orion space bar instead. Er. What were the writers thinking?  It's a shame as the actual resolution to the war was quite neat and the coda scenes were very nice. Unintentional hilarity during the medal scene during which Burnham was inexplicably shouting some anthemic speech about justice and peace and why Starfleet is the best thing ever. Who was she talking to? Why was no-one telling her to shut up while they were trying to give folk their space medals? It was hilarious. "Named main characters: you guys get medals. Background Bridge folk: you get medals too but we must not mention your names." I will admit to some excitement when the Enterprise turned up. I will also admit to feeling immediately deflated that the nacelles were wrong. Sigh. |
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Post by legios on Feb 12, 2018 22:49:33 GMT
I didn't take it as "wrong", just different. I immediately thought - "So, those don't work out and she gets another set by the time Kirk takes command. Then another set again when they gut her for the rebuild..." The Connies clearly were first in line for any upgrades going I guess... (Or the Starfleet Core of Engineers favourite victim for their next "brilliant" idea...:-) )
I'd agree that this was...an underwhelming finale. I can see exactly what they were going for, and how they were trying to tie everything together into a circular movement for Burnham's character arc and to pay-off Ash Tyler's character and all of the Klingon cultural elements that have been hovering in place for a large part of the series run... Unfortunately they just fumbled the execution of it quite badly.
Admittedly, it suffers in my estimation because I finished watching Altered Carbon this weekend, and that did the same sort of thing far more assuredly. (It was less like the traditional theatrical "Chekov's Gun" moment, more like "Chekov's blooming great suitcase of guns").
It is a shame, because the actual denoument of the story - a small scene in a cave where Burnham confirms herself once again in the ideals that she turned away from back at the beginning, where they resolve the war by giving the last believer in the cause that started it ultimate power over the Klingon empire, where our heroes actually not only take the choice to not obliterate their enemies but to help them preserve their culture... That's a fantastic scene, and is so very "Star Trek" too.
I actually thought L'Rell's scene in the Klingon Cave of Government was - horrible production design aside - absolutely brilliant too. "You will unite, because I have an enormous planet-destroying bomb and I say so." No, it doesn't make any sense in terms of the Klingons that were in Star Trek, but once I face the fact that the original Klingon's aren't ever coming back - the Next Generation Klingon's are the ones that 90% of the people watching this show, and probably a higher percentage of those making it, know and think of as "what Klingons are like" - it makes absolutely sense. In the mad, dysfunctional nonsense that the Next Generation Klingon's use for a society, "I can kill us all, that makes me the strongest" is a valid measure of power and therefore authority. (Klingon society - the end result of what you get if you cross post-Viking carousing, Tokugawa-shogunate hypocrisy, a massive testoserone overdose and probably lead in the water-pipes... :-))
The problem, as Ralph observes, is the getting there. This needed a steady increase of pressure and a tightening of tension until the story was like a precisely tuned violin string ready for that one scene. But we didn't get that, instead the story meandered around as if this was supposed to be the episode before the finale for almost half of its length before suddenly realising "Khaless' Bones! We've got to get an ending in here!". A real shame. If we could have had half of this episode last week, with a shocking cliffhanger as Tilly realises "oh my gosh! It's not a drone, it's a bomb!", and then a desperate race to find Georgiou and stop her, through a wake of chaos that she was leaving in her path and swarms of angry Klingons and Orions... That could have been superb. It would also have given Michelle Yeoh a bit more time to be evil, which she seemed to be enjoying rather more than playing good Georgiou (she seemed a lot more comfortable as soon as she didn't have to wear the space clothes and could just wear a bad-ass cloak ensemble) Instead there never really felt like there were any stakes, or any real threat.
There were things I liked. The Georgiou/Burnham confrontation was absolutely great. As was the "do we need another mutiny", and the crew making the choice between what was expedient and what was moral.
I laughed like a drain when it occurred to me that the essential mechanism of Discovery staying in its hiding place boils down to "we tractor the planet in several places"...Common sense tells you not to go around tractoring things that are bigger than you, it rarely works out foe the best. Trust Discovery and her crew to go "ah, what's the worst that can happen"... Tilly getting high was also funny. It really had no business being in the finale, and was a genuinely awful way for our heroes to find out what was really going on, but in a more appropriate episode it would have been a nice little bit of comedy.
*sigh* It's heart was in the right place. I think that this sums up my opinion of Discovery as a whole, not just this episode really. It had an idea of what it was trying to do. I like the story of redemption and rededication that it was trying to tell. I just think that the in the end what it lacked was the capacity to pull it off properly.
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 13, 2018 23:09:40 GMT
{Spoiler}While it was nice to see the Enterprise turn up I think having it this early in the show's run may be a mis-step. Now the chat and buzz for season 2 will be all about the Enterprise rather than 'what next for the Discovery crew'?
I imagine an alternate version of the show would have ended just before that with the crew heading to Vulcan had the show not been renewed.
Also, we know what the Enterprise looked like in The Cage (set two years roughly before this episode). When the ship first appeared I thought 'Ah ha! Having it lit like the current show and adding some detail is a good way to solve the problem of having it appear yet still being consistent enough with the original show' and then those nacelles swung into view and I thought 'why go to the effort of making the rest of it match so much then change that quite a lot? What's the point?'. I then thought: 'Ah ha! Another twist! It's an Enterprise from the future or another timeline or something' but then I read some publicity interviews from the showrunners and nope, that is meant to be the original Enterprise. My point being that silly mental energy was wasted trying to work out what was going on rather than just thinking: 'Ooo! The Enterprise!'
If we see the interior I don't think the disconnect could be that bad. We forget how much darker and more metallic looking the ship was in The Cage. Besides, there was time for a refit or two before Kirk takes over.
I also couldn't help but think a more interesting way to get Burnham back on the show would be: 'You have been pardoned and got a commission back but well you did mutiny and contribute towards starting a war that almost wiped out us out so welcome back but you're an Ensign'. Having her straight back as First Officer just felt too pat, too easy.
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Post by Bogatan on Feb 14, 2018 11:36:58 GMT
{Spoiler}While it was nice to see the Enterprise turn up I think having it this early in the show's run may be a mis-step. Now the chat and buzz for season 2 will be all about the Enterprise rather than 'what next for the Discovery crew'?
I imagine an alternate version of the show would have ended just before that with the crew heading to Vulcan had the show not been renewed.
Also, we know what the Enterprise looked like in The Cage (set two years roughly before this episode). When the ship first appeared I thought 'Ah ha! Having it lit like the current show and adding some detail is a good way to solve the problem of having it appear yet still being consistent enough with the original show' and then those nacelles swung into view and I thought 'why go to the effort of making the rest of it match so much then change that quite a lot? What's the point?'. I then thought: 'Ah ha! Another twist! It's an Enterprise from the future or another timeline or something' but then I read some publicity interviews from the showrunners and nope, that is meant to be the original Enterprise. My point being that silly mental energy was wasted trying to work out what was going on rather than just thinking: 'Ooo! The Enterprise!'
If we see the interior I don't think the disconnect could be that bad. We forget how much darker and more metallic looking the ship was in The Cage. Besides, there was time for a refit or two before Kirk takes over.
I also couldn't help but think a more interesting way to get Burnham back on the show would be: 'You have been pardoned and got a commission back but well you did mutiny and contribute towards starting a war that almost wiped out us out so welcome back but you're an Ensign'. Having her straight back as First Officer just felt too pat, too easy.
{Spoiler}Pretty much my thoughts, a bit of extra detailing across the hull I can except if they must, but why then make a large change to just one section?
I really hoped Enterprise wouldnt show up this season, but only because I hoped whoever has been responsible for the visual choices this season would be replaced.
Its not like they can't make it work down the line, the ship may have been upgraded in preparation for spore drive travel and when that is inevitably banned/stops working they remove any and all related tech from all ships.
But unless that is planned as a major plot point, just why bother?
And even if THIS is a plot point are the redesigned Klingons and the entire fleets of Klingon ships that bare no resemblence to anything we saw in Enterprise or will in TOS. Or holocommunications or any of the other small changes. It really does just feel like they are trolling fans. And that just weird when this is a subscription series and a very solid core of all access' viewership will be made up of Trek fans at this point. Whats most frustrating about all of the changes and currently not fitting continuity bits, is that they are all on the production side. Nothing on the writing side is significantly out of step. Yeah spore drives are clearly new, but presumably will be abandoned and probably classified. Spock suddenly having an adopted sister is a bit of a shock, but again before discovering Spock had a brother we had 3 seasons, 1 animated and 4 movies. Since then Spock and or Sarek have appeared in 4 movies and 3 episodes. Guy clearly doesnt talk about his family much. Almost everything else is purely an aesthetic choice. If a fan production wanted to remake this whole season in a TOS style using existing fan made sets and costumes I doubt they would have to change a word of dialogue (maybe some references to holograms replaced with on screen). the result I am sure would fit almost perfectly into established TOS continuity. |
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Post by Philip Ayres on Feb 14, 2018 13:28:18 GMT
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